Serious LGBT Discussion

[LaxerBRO]

Based Nicocado. Faggotry is a choice and incredibly easy to drop out of

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I want that fucker hooked up to a penile plymosgraph and shown gay porn before I take him seriously.

 

[BIG SHOT Autos]

Political lesbianism, for one thing, is a phenomenon where radfems deliberately choose to live a lesbian lifestyle out of hatred for men, and not because they actually are attracted to other women.

So, about that...

It reminds me of a personal lolcow I had on tumblr. Don't remember her url/name, but she was basically your average man-hating femme4butch lesbian who would thirstpost about butch women a lot. I found it interesting that she essentially fetishized and objectified said women to the same degree as the men she was bashing. (But that's okay somehow because she's a lesbo?) Never seemed to have long-term relationships because she clearly disrespected all of these women which led to breakups and her "preference" was essentially a fetish for "ugly losers who wouldn't be fancied by anyone else". Fortunately said women seemed to be smart enough to quickly realize what's up and dumped her, which often led to her sperging out about it for weeks. She also had way too many women who cheered up on her and had similar lifestyles.

After all these long, long years, I found out that she did a 180 and everyone hates her for being a "fakebian". Many such cases.

I can't speak for males since I neither fully know how it works to them nor had a varied amount (in comparison to women) of cohorts to observe, but brainworms/trauma manifesting in sexual compulsions is very common. Maybe there is some truth to lesbians not being "taken seriously" in a sense that women are expected to grow out of it, so most worldwide laws against homosexuality are usually against men specifically.

I find it funny that radfems always call out political lesbianism these days without realizing one might fall for it unconsciously. I guess it breaks the narrative, that's why they don't like it. I also find it funny that they turn their backs on you once you admit that you find yourself attracted to men as well. By funny I mean retarded.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I find it funny that radfems always call out political lesbianism these days without realizing one might fall for it unconsciously. I guess it breaks the narrative, that's why they don't like it. I also find it funny that they turn their backs on you once you admit that you find yourself attracted to men as well. By funny I mean retarded.

That explains rather hilarious articles such as this:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/lifestyle/article-5247277/Lesbians-affairs-MEN-share-stories.html

As Many Lesbians Have Had Sex with Men, Taking a Full Sexual History Is Important

Roughly three-quarters of lesbians who responded to a magazine survey have had sexual intercourse with men, and nearly two-thirds have had unprotected heterosexual intercourse. One-sixth of respondents have ever had anal intercourse with a male partner, and the same proportion have ever had a...

www.guttmacher.org

I Came Out As A Lesbian — And Then Fell In Love With A Man

I can’t remember ever not feeling like a lesbian. It’s who I am. But then I met this boy.

www.huffpost.com

 

[Mister Eveready]

Now? People casually swear all the time out in public. People will hold loud conversations on speakerphone in the middle of a crowded train. People cross the street whenever and wherever they feel like. You've got filthy homeless vermin all over the place, freebasing or shooting up right in front of everyone. You've got people who treat traffic lights and street signs as if they don't even exist rather than mandatory instructions.

How will banning gay people fix any of this? They're not the reason society is getting dumber by the second. What goes up must come down, de-evolution is real, etc etc etc. You seem to believe that your general dissatisfaction with the world will go away if you just hurt the people you don't like enough. We might be trending dumber overall, but it's not all doom and gloom. There are still plenty of decent, respectable people if you take the time to look for them.

 

[Harm]

You seem to believe that your general dissatisfaction with the world will go away if you just hurt the people you don't like enough.

Absolutely! I would surely be more satisfied with our society if undesirable people and behaviors were summarily discouraged through harming them. I want every homeless junkie caged and beaten until they either just die or finally become functional members of society. And guess what? I'd greatly prefer the former over the latter!

The extreme permissive attitude that has encouraged these miscreants to make everything worse for everyone else, up to and including enabling them to abuse hard drugs on the streets in front of children, are absolutely tied to the same extreme permissive attitudes that allow faggots to have gay BDSM sex shows openly in the streets. There's pathways for a civilized society to tolerate biologically oriented homosexuals and allow us to do our thing without also going "....and then we should divert some law enforcement resources to help ensure Folsom is a roaring success this year!" or "...and let's establish a Gay-Straight Alliance group in every elementary school across the county!" or so on.

But the homosexuals of Kiwi Farms should know better than anyone that for each one of us who is a good little pick-me queer who only has monogamous vanilla relationships, there's a seemingly infinite number of proud popper-huffing perverts who gleefully daterape each other after they start rolling off cocktails of crystal meth. And those people should be similarly caged and beaten. Not because "ban all gays," but because opening the floodgates on permissible behaviors has had nightmarish results. If society is going to have a paradigm shift on gays, it can't be this Laissez-faire "let them eat ass!" nonsense with no brakes or common sense safety measures.

I don't know that I agree with @The Dude that it needs an irreversible rollback. However, I also realize that what it does need (a massive rollback followed by sensible re-introduction of LGB acceptance into society) will never happen and if I had to either roll it back irreversibly or allow this psychotic "permissibility above all else" nonsense continue, we NEED to rollback. My desire as a faggot to have relations with men without strangers having an issue with it is not more important than maintaining a society that reveres the traditional values that allowed us to flourish and prosper this far.

Besides, what does "putting all the gays back in the closet" actually look like anyways? As long as we retained basic rights like "you can't fire me if you find out I'm a fag" or "you can't evict me just because you saw me kissing a dude" or that crap, then who cares? Maybe if LGBTQIAPZ2FA+ "activists" weren't such histrionic retards calling every legislation they don't like a "LITERALLY MURDER THE GAYS" bill then we could have more honest conversations about delineating which rights need to be retained at all costs and which ones are "radical queer advocates" crying that they can't hand out HRT to children on the playground.

 

[Mister Eveready]

I want every homeless junkie caged and beaten until they either just die or finally become functional members of society. And guess what? I'd greatly prefer the former over the latter!

That’s a very normal, rational opinion to have. Glad to know that you’re normal and totally not a closet psychopath.

(I have to admit the rest of your post is fairly reasonable though.)

 

[SanelyInsane403]

biologically oriented homosexuals

That's an oxymoron. Nobody is attracted to people with the same sex as them right from the get-go, about the most reasonable "biological" explanation for homosexual behavior is INAH-3 (bunch of neurons in the brain that determine sexual dimorphism) getting exposed to testosterone during prenatal development, and even that is just a theory. A Gay Theor-

 

[Neurotypical Mantis]

Depends. For the vast majority, I imagine, same sex attraction isn't a choice, even if the gay lifestyle is.

Wouldn't be surprised if a very small minority did it purely for shits and giggles, however. Political lesbianism, for one thing, is a phenomenon where radfems deliberately choose to live a lesbian lifestyle out of hatred for men, and not because they actually are attracted to other women.

congratulations, you described lesbians!

 

[DSHK]

As a vagina haver something I just can't wrap my head around are lesbians that claim to find men disgusting while at best dating masculine "butch" women that would be considered like a 4/10 if they were male OR at worst women that literally look like pre-pubescent boys. Posts from this couple (especially videos from their wedding) float around on Instagram sometimes and they get destroyed in the comments:
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This one is especially shocking because the "girl" in the relationship is actually a decent looking woman. She looks like the type of blonde girl that was a cheerleader who married her football sweetheart and names their kids things like "Kynnsleigh" and "Jaxton."

Guys I seriously don't get this.

My "lesbian" coworker is like this. Shes a mentally ill piece of white trash that had a bunch of bastard kids with a thug looking nigger who left her and now shes playing housewife to this ugly bulldyke. I dont get it either, why not get a man at that point?

 

[Jacques1194]

The term queer has lost all meaning. i saw this on the trans sports thread and how its wrong for them to ban trans girls because roller skating is heavily rooted in queer culture and history. Its fucking roller skating. A boy liking it isn't gay or secretly a girl. Has the current LGBTQ community become so desperate to be seen as "Rebels" and "different" that everything that one of them likes has some fake queer history to it?

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

My "lesbian" coworker is like this. Shes a mentally ill piece of white trash that had a bunch of bastard kids with a thug looking nigger who left her and now shes playing housewife to this ugly bulldyke. I dont get it either, why not get a man at that point?

Maybe she has this weird mental problem where she's mainly sexually attracted to scummy or thuggish men, and she assumes all men are evil so she goes for women next.

 

[/dĭf′ər-əns/]

The term queer has lost all meaning... Has the current LGBTQ community become so desperate to be seen as "Rebels" and "different" that everything that one of them likes has some fake queer history to it?

It is not a "current" community issue, this has already been the case since the Sexual revolution.

here's my 2 cents on the 3 types of male homosexuals:
1) Humiliation fetish / extreme submission: A desire of extreme submission/domination. Just like how male animals mount and hump each other to show dominance/submission
2) Childhood abuse: Those who try to relive their childhood sexual abuse
3) AGPs: Sissification itself as a fetish

What is the purpose of adding the dominance and submission category? Nearly all forms of relationships, especially the conformist ones, adhere to this type of power structure. It is not something that should be categorized as a "form" of the homosexual. And how is there a correlation between childhood abuse and sexuality?

 

[Twix Eatr]

I can't imagine "born this way" is accurate since that entails gay babies, but at some point, I believe the sexuality becomes fixed. I do think homosexuality in males has some decent biological evidence, but it points toward a sexual targeting error resulting in same-sex attraction. It's basically the attraction to NOT women, but isn't as rigidly defined as the opposite sex.

Phallometric studies with straight men show a rigid cutoff at prepubescent girls; anything under that range, arousal is abruptly gone. With gay men, they have a much wider range, including prepubescent children, additional sex paraphilias, BDSM, etc. I also now think being SA'd as a child does something to a kid.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

I also now think being SA'd as a child does something to a kid.

It's really not hard to figure. In a vacuum someone's sexual upbringing should be gradual and slowly harden into a mostly final form as they grow out of adolescence. Add in being raped as a child, or being exposed to bizarre internet pornography, or growing up associating things like roblox characters or even their own age of exposure with sex, and the pieces start fitting together across the board of deviant sexuality as a whole. Even if a childhood sexual assault victim doesn't end up gay, their sense of sexual gratification is clearly still skewed from the event. If some people were just automatically gay from the start, we shouldn't see the disparity in childhood sexual abuse between the two. Unless the argument is that 'gay children' are 'putting themselves out there' in which case the rebuttal should be obvious and brutal.

It should go without saying but everybody is different and processes sexuality in different ways. There are no doubt people who are naturally more predisposed, and less predisposed to fetish interests who would be more susceptible to deviant sexual behavior.

 

[Paper Machete]

Everyone throughout all of human history talked about the connection between child rape and being a fag. It's only until recently people were told to shut up about it. You can still have a more nuanced take on it. There are some that are just wired that way but that's probably a smaller number of the whole if we're being honest.

 

[Twix Eatr]

Right. It's just an offensive "stereotype" now. I'm not confident Western nations can fix anything ever again with AI. The amount of bots spreading nonsense and women in power will allow pluralistic ignorance to rule us. LLMs themselves are biased toward defending gay shit in defiance of truth. Smh.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Not too long ago, I came across a man wearing a dress with his friends. I was uncomfortable next to him (her?), yet I felt bad for feeling uncomfortable.

Don't. feel bad for actions not feelings. Feeling bad on feelings is a quick way to being neurotic.

Feeling bad about acting on feelings is entirely another matter depending on the situation.

I know this sounds rich coming from me, but its true. I've even seen people who grapple with feelings of hating their kid or whatever, denial or self hate doesn't help, actions do.

However in this case I'd say finding it uncomfortable is very normal. And taking actions to keep away is completely acceptable.

There's a thing in modern society where people do weird af shit and expect to be taken normally and I genuinely think this mentally damages others. Tolerating shit we innately find repulsive fucks with us, like imagine if you were trained to eat "off" tasting meat. The fact you are trained to find it acceptable would completely damage your ability to detect toxins elsewhere, even if the off meat was somehow ok. Whenever you tell yourself without causation that your gut should stfu, you are just doing very delayed self harm.

If need be, play it off, blame being tired, or remembering something frustrating, whatever. But don't EVER kill those gut feelings. Ive done it before, it's a disaster.

 

[Twix Eatr]

Tolerating shit we innately find repulsive fucks with us

Like homosexuality, for example. That post is a decade old, btw.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

Like homosexuality, for example. That post is a decade old, btw.

Well....shit... didn't even notice i fat fingered the page thing on my phone then.

Ah well hopefully someone benefits from what I said.

 

[Paper Machete]

Well....shit... didn't even notice i fat fingered the page thing on my phone then.

Ah well hopefully someone benefits from what I said.

It's a good discussion to have. It's very perverse and abusive that so many people these days are made to think training themselves out of basic instinct and self-preservation is a bad thing. There is a lot of nasty stuff that has happened to people because they've been told that the worst thing they could possible do not want to associate with someone and they forced themselves to stay in situations or hand wave things they shouldn't have ignored. You don't have to be cruel to someone just because they give you the ick but it's not healthy to punish yourself for having those feelings and you're perfectly within your rights to nope out of any situation you want like that. I think this needs to be talked about more in any and all contexts.