Serious LGBT Discussion

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Capitalism bad, comunism good.

I'm not sure about this. I'm no fan of socialism, but queer theorists/activists don't care about anyone but themselves.

Communism/marxism is just a convenient leftist ideology for them to subvert for their own ends, especially when the Rich VS Poor thing is extended to pretty much any adversarial relationship that could be described as "powerful" vs "powerless underdogs."

They take advantage of godless neoliberalism just as often as they subvert marxism. There's a case to be made that it was neoliberalism that allowed the LGBTQ to get as far as they have.

 

[Toxic BRAAAAP Mask]

I'm not disagreeing, in fact I do agree that neoliberalism has enabled it as a collective cause to puppet since they're rabid consoomers, but if many of the rank and file activists check the commie box when it's convenient the sentiment still gets around and that's what I'm more concerned with and referring to.

We all know they selectively pick and choose to justify their selfishness and as an excuse to not be an additive to society, but that contributes to the spread of rhetoric among the susceptible, particularly the idea that capitalism creates an oppressive social hierarchy and that queer theory and communism intersect in that they are both designed to dismantle these structures. Hardcore commies don't like this and can see through it enough to call for keeping the theories distinct, but most 'queers' are performative and cultural instead of strict adherents in everything they do. This is the ideology that can logic pretzel their way into being for pedophilia and incest after all.

Of course this then ends with the left going 'shocked pikachu face' when they continue their usual practices and they turn on them for not being performatively socialist enough for the fly-by-night commie larpers.

 

[SanelyInsane403]

Something I find funny is that cuckservatives/porn addicted right wingers insist the T in LGBT should be separated as if they aren't the same shitstain that came from making an identity out of sodomy and corrupting the meanings of words, "love" for homosexuality and "gender" for transgenderism.

 

[Hooked on phobics]

right wingers insist the T in LGBT should be separated

Gays bisexuals and lesbians ALSO say this, so....

I think its just easier to go for consensus there, for all involved.

 

[Token Faggot]

If a gay man says he's queer, it's a red flag because queer =/= sexual orientation like LGB, it's a 'proggressive' social activism.

This so much!

Call me gay, I might blow you a kiss, call me queer I'll give you a smack upside the head with a torque wrench or whatever the fuck else I've got to hand

 

[Oilspill Battery]

I've been reading through the thread in order of all highlights and its super intresting to watch opinion around the alphabets slowly fluctuate shift over time from open acceptance to open derision. Early on its "They just want to be left alone" and "bake the cake or you're a bigot" (unironically) and slowly over time it shifts to "Yeah they definitely want to molest kids and are a pestilence on society."

Even as late as 2020 some people were somewhat ambiolent or positive. It was always a declining spiral but it seems there was a tipping point where the behaviour was exposed to such a degree that a lot of people completely turned over.

Its intresting to consider from a wider historical perspective as well. Sodomites were generally considered blights on all societies on the entire planet in every place humans have ever lived. Then briefly, for a few decades, in a handful of countries, they managed to fool enough people into getting tolerated, then accepted, and then celebrated, for basically the first time in human history, but somehow it wasn't enough and they pushed it so much that they still managed to fuck it up by basically proving all the stereotypes and warnings given across history right.

But that's the weird part. There never was such a period of wide, not just acceptable, but celebration, for those stereotypes to have a chance to openly flourish in the past, so how did people of the past knew to warn of it in the first place?

 

[Paper Machete]

I've been reading through the thread in order of all highlights and its super intresting to watch opinion around the alphabets slowly fluctuate shift over time from open acceptance to open derision. Early on its "They just want to be left alone" and "bake the cake or you're a bigot" (unironically) and slowly over time it shifts to "Yeah they definitely want to molest kids and are a pestilence on society."

Even as late as 2020 some people were somewhat ambiolent or positive. It was always a declining spiral but it seems there was a tipping point where the behaviour was exposed to such a degree that a lot of people completely turned over.

Its intresting to consider from a wider historical perspective as well. Sodomites were generally considered blights on all societies on the entire planet in every place humans have ever lived. Then briefly, for a few decades, in a handful of countries, they managed to fool enough people into getting tolerated, then accepted, and then celebrated, for basically the first time in human history, but somehow it wasn't enough and they pushed it so much that they still managed to fuck it up by basically proving all the stereotypes and warnings given across history right.

But that's the weird part. There never was such a period of wide, not just acceptable, but celebration, for those stereotypes to have a chance to openly flourish in the past, so how did people of the past knew to warn of it in the first place?

We have unique propaganda systems in the form of news and entertainment.

Plus, there was no super advanced medical apparatus to hide or alleviate the result of being a retarded faggot. I think people in "the before times" were a lot more sensible and practical than we typically imagine.

People view the past as being ignorant and bigoted for little to no reason, just because they didn't know not to be. But the reality is that if what you were doing wasn't conducive to survival or helpful to society it would bite you quick. Diseases spread easier, there was little to no accommodation for physical ailments, and so on.

Most faggots suck and are retarded it doesn't take much to understand that, it's just that there was counter programming for a while and 2 or 3 generations grew up with that. Now there is pockets of the internet where you can see the proof in the pudding for yourself. It's the same thing that's been happening with people concerning immigrants and race too.

 

[Mayoush]

But that's the weird part. There never was such a period of wide, not just acceptable, but celebration, for those stereotypes to have a chance to openly flourish in the past, so how did people of the past knew to warn of it in the first place?

I think media played a big role in it adding strong lgbt role models helped fool normies but then it became too much you couldn’t escape lgbt propaganda being shoved down your throat while watching your favorite movie series and even games so ppl started ignoring them and it flopped now with funding cut to lgbt events they aren’t as in your face as before even companies aren’t changing their logo in june to virtue signal

 

[Jacques1194]

I think media played a big role in it adding strong lgbt role models helped fool normies but then it became too much you couldn’t escape lgbt propaganda being shoved down your throat while watching your favorite movie series and even games so ppl started ignoring them and it flopped now with funding cut to lgbt events they aren’t as in your face as before even companies aren’t changing their logo in june to virtue signal

Imo, I don't think its really the media in itself that caused the backlashed. It was moreso how demanding "queers" have gotten with the media they consume in fandom spaces. Queers are the definition of "You give them an inch and they take the whole mile". They are obsessed with gay shipping to where in certain parts of a fandom you aren't allowed to ship characters with someone of the opposite sex (unless they're trans) because "You're taking away potential LGBT rep". These people have become so obnoxious online to where they even started hating people shipping straight ships. Like I truly dont understand how tweets hating on hetero ships and acting like gay ships have no issues in them can get hit tweets at over 73k likes on them.




A lot of these accounts seem like its coming from "political lesbians" type of people where its women hating men and acting like lesbian couples dont have their own issues.


I dont even know where this shit comes from. I've been hearing how LGBT people are online more because Fandom spaces allow them to "express" themselves but I strongly believe at least half of these people aren't even really gay. Either way, I dont understand where this hostility comes from

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

So apparently the lead singer of some band came out as gay, despite being married to a woman for over a decade:

How the hell does this work? How does a man -- as a grown adult -- marry a woman, presumably have sex during that time (or even prior to the marriage), and then just randomly decide he hates twat and prefers cock? How did he form romantic feelings and achieve sexual arousal for someone he's not allegedly attracted to? I don't understand how that works. I hear about situations like this all the time where men marry women, start families, and then randomly come out as gay. How were the gay men able to make it that far? If I were closeted gay, I wouldn't romantically pursue a woman and then somehow force myself to have sex with her and start a family.

The inverse of this kinda makes sense. I can understand confused lesbians who try to get romantically attached to men, but then later come out as lesbian. That makes some sense, women can't have erections. But how are gay men able to sleep with women like this? It boggles the mind.

 

[L.V. Danslalune]

I've always wanted to know what the general consensus was on the asexuals or "aces" as some may call them. Personally I care just as much about them as the rest of the LGBT (that is to say, I don't really give too much of a shit) but it'd be reasonable to assume that asexuals don't really get up to more degenerate stuff. Many of you know that in many religions homosexuality is forbidden and is seen as sinful, but celibacy is often praised.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I've always wanted to know what the general consensus was on the asexuals or "aces" as some may call them. Personally I care just as much about them as the rest of the LGBT (that is to say, I don't really give too much of a shit) but it'd be reasonable to assume that asexuals don't really get up to more degenerate stuff. Many of you know that in many religions homosexuality is forbidden and is seen as sinful, but celibacy is often praised.

I think a lot of them are probably just incels. Or people who don't seek partners because they're too addicted to porn.

 

[GOY MENACE]

I've always wanted to know what the general consensus was on the asexuals or "aces" as some may call them. Personally I care just as much about them as the rest of the LGBT (that is to say, I don't really give too much of a shit) but it'd be reasonable to assume that asexuals don't really get up to more degenerate stuff. Many of you know that in many religions homosexuality is forbidden and is seen as sinful, but celibacy is often praised.

If a young healthy person isn't sexual something is wrong with their endocrine system.

We mustn't let this strange agenda of making sexualities something akin to characters.

We are biological creatures not some vassiles for some TikTok trends.

I think a lot of them are probably just incels. Or people who don't seek partners because they're too addicted to porn.

They are straight woman tryna be oppressed.

So apparently the lead singer of some band came out as gay, despite being married to a woman for over a decade:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=2V5-HSF3ubg
How the hell does this work? How does a man -- as a grown adult -- marry a woman, presumably have sex during that time (or even prior to the marriage), and then just randomly decide he hates twat and prefers cock? How did he form romantic feelings and achieve sexual arousal for someone he's not allegedly attracted to? I don't understand how that works. I hear about situations like this all the time where men marry women, start families, and then randomly come out as gay. How were the gay men able to make it that far? If I were closeted gay, I wouldn't romantically pursue a woman and then somehow force myself to have sex with her and start a family.

The inverse of this kinda makes sense. I can understand confused lesbians who try to get romantically attached to men, but then later come out as lesbian. That makes some sense, women can't have erections. But how are gay men able to sleep with women like this? It boggles the mind.

Gay to pay actors use a combination of imagination and physical feeling.

A vagina will still feel good even if you are gay.

Viagra will get you hard.

Imaging something you are attracted to.


Gay men married to woman probably do something similar.

 

[ilovecornsyrup]

Gay to pay actors use a combination of imagination and physical feeling.

We mostly use a mix of physical feeling and viagra. Imagination is a strategy noobs use a lot though.

 

[BIG SHOT Autos]

I've always wanted to know what the general consensus was on the asexuals or "aces" as some may call them. Personally I care just as much about them as the rest of the LGBT (that is to say, I don't really give too much of a shit) but it'd be reasonable to assume that asexuals don't really get up to more degenerate stuff. Many of you know that in many religions homosexuality is forbidden and is seen as sinful, but celibacy is often praised.

I think a lot of them are probably just incels. Or people who don't seek partners because they're too addicted to porn.

This, pretty much. True asexuality is extremely rare and is usually indeed caused by endocrine issues.

Almost every "asexual" these days is a porn addicted incel/coomer. That's where the "kink can be non-sexual" comes from. Celibacy is drastically different from asexuality, both real and woke one. By being a celibate you make a conscious choice to tame your nature and focus on other things. Asexuality isn't really a conscious choice, let alone noble one, it's either being sick (morally neutral) or you're completely messed up in the head (morally bad). Note that many "asexuals" also spread the idea that asexuals can have sex to either "please somebody else" or to "satisfy high libido". Yes, they claim that libido =/= sexual attraction, that's how all these aces are occasionally having sex and enjoying it.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

That's where the "kink can be non-sexual" comes from.

"Fun" fact, Michel Foucault was among the first people to push that lie.

For that reason, and many other more disturbing reasons, he is certainly enjoying a nice swim in the lake of fire and brimstone.

 

[Getmeout]

I've always wanted to know what the general consensus was on the asexuals or "aces" as some may call them. Personally I care just as much about them as the rest of the LGBT (that is to say, I don't really give too much of a shit) but it'd be reasonable to assume that asexuals don't really get up to more degenerate stuff. Many of you know that in many religions homosexuality is forbidden and is seen as sinful, but celibacy is often praised.

In my opinion I think it’s not as rare as people think it is, and TRUE asexuality often comes from autism. If you think about it, it makes sense. Sex is a very physically demanding and intimate activity that your average sperg would have trouble understanding. It makes sense that some spergs will have such trouble understanding to the point where they want nothing to do with it.

I have a friend who identifies as asexual, I used to think it was fake until I met her. She doesn’t like porn, masturbating, or sex. She’s not even disgusted by any of it morally, she just genuinely doesn’t enjoy any of it. And the more I observed her the more it seemed sorta similar to an autistic disliking a texture or a sound sensation.

There’s also the fake asexuals who just prefer porn to real sex.

 

[BIG SHOT Autos]

This has always been on the back of my mind. Something about HSTS didn't add up because virtually all of them (those who I personally know) were watching straight porn while identifying with the character/actor of the opposite sex and that was either the source or enabling of their dysphoria. The default explanation is that they suffer from internalized homophobia. But these people were literally attracted to heterosexuality as a concept. Are you really gay, or something just so deeply misfired in your head?
HSTS are usually presented as a "real deal" in tranny world as they're "real homosexuals" but something really doesn't add up to me. I can't take "internalized homophobia" as an argument because the more societies around the world are affirming and tolerant, the more these people appear. We made huge progress (and I mean actual progress, lobotomizing and chemically castrating SSA people is retarded and vile) over last four to five decades, yet things apparently got worse. Somehow the more liberal is the place, the more these people suffer.

 

[Paper Machete]

This has always been on the back of my mind. Something about HSTS didn't add up because virtually all of them (those who I personally know) were watching straight porn while identifying with the character/actor of the opposite sex and that was either the source or enabling of their dysphoria. The default explanation is that they suffer from internalized homophobia. But these people were literally attracted to heterosexuality as a concept. Are you really gay, or something just so deeply misfired in your head?
HSTS are usually presented as a "real deal" in tranny world as they're "real homosexuals" but something really doesn't add up to me. I can't take "internalized homophobia" as an argument because the more societies around the world are affirming and tolerant, the more these people appear. We made huge progress (and I mean actual progress, lobotomizing and chemically castrating SSA people is retarded and vile) over last four to five decades, yet things apparently got worse. Somehow the more liberal is the place, the more these people suffer.

There has always been a subset of gay/bisexual men who are incredibly jealous of the female experience and not just same sex attracted I believe. The way men treat women generally but also in a romantic/sexual context is not the same as same sex pairings do, as has been documented to the many wailing and gnashing of teeth from both trannies and pooners alike who realize they can't opt into a fantasy.

It's also something that is more subversive and more of a trespass against yourself and others than merely being attracted to other men (the "straight" man in question is going against his own sexuality, and the tranny in question is going against his own masculinity/existence as male). There is a broken type of psyche who's into that sort of stuff.

 

[Getmeout]

In my opinion I think it’s not as rare as people think it is, and TRUE asexuality often comes from autism. If you think about it, it makes sense. Sex is a very physically demanding and intimate activity that your average sperg would have trouble understanding. It makes sense that some spergs will have such trouble understanding to the point where they want nothing to do with it.

I have a friend who identifies as asexual, I used to think it was fake until I met her. She doesn’t like porn, masturbating, or sex. She’s not even disgusted by any of it morally, she just genuinely doesn’t enjoy any of it. And the more I observed her the more it seemed sorta similar to an autistic disliking a texture or a sound sensation.

There’s also the fake asexuals who just prefer porn to real sex.

Update on the ace friend, I asked her about her thoughts on ace pride and she gave me an interesting perspective. She said to her, ace pride isn’t about complaining about being oppressed, but celebrating that you’re not oppressed. To quote her “Asexuals aren’t really oppressed in America, and that’s a good thing. Asexual pride for me is celebrating that fact and the fact that I have a good life with people who love me with my sexuality. I see it as like celebrating how far we’ve come as a society”.

This is the most hopepilled queer I’ve ever seen?