What are women's thoughts on the nuclear family?

[glitterglue]

lol...millions of single mothers proves otherwise.

Also FYI, you sound like a dude cosplaying as a woman. Your sentence structure gives you away.

millions of women with low standards, but none of them with low enough standards to pityfuck you.
lmao, cope harder.

 

[Swagstika]

Well, I wanted it and I made it happen, so...
I married and had swaglings with a man who wanted the same peace and quiet as I do. I picked him for his person and how we function together, over someone more flashy. Most of all, we are partners and teammates and have the same conservative values.
He is my rock and support and I absolutely worship the man and what he does for me and my life.
Now, with that said, we have reversed roles completely.
I have run my CV like a character sheet and have come to a place where I was headhunted for my last three jobs. I made and make a lot of money. So 9 years ago I asked husbando if he wanted to quit his job and stay at home with the swaglings instead of returning to work after parental leave, since he made like a quarter of what I did then.
He did, so now he stays at home: Gets the swaglings fed and out the door in the mornings and takes care of most of the housework. Other than that, I think he spends the day gaming?
I work, do some housework and cook dinner every night.
It works for us and I'm very happy with it. We are not rich, but the luxury to afford a homemaker is absolutely priceless.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

So why are these women just letting everyone rawdog them if they know these guys aren't going to stick around?

Why are men "rawdogging" women knowing they have no intention to raise a child, spend the necessary tens of thousands of waking, engaged hours over 18 years, or even pay a meaningful proportion of what it costs to raise one*?

That sounds pathological and worse.

* I've posted numbers here before, multiple times, but the average amount of support paid per years is a few thousand dollars, and some else also just posted the data I have posted before about the paltry received percentages.

Again, if you're saying men are dogs, then you don't get to pull a surprised pikachu face when they don't stick around, right?

And if men act like dogs, they likewise don't get to pull a surprised Pikachu face when people call it out.

If they're married then that's different, but the reality is they're dick-fishing on Tinder and then act all surprised when some rando has no intention of being a long term partner. That's not how it works, you choose who you're fucking, so choose better.

Alternative: everybody be better. And yes, I said everybody. I've gone off before about women's responsibility to themselves to use birth control unless they actively want a child.

Men should be doing the same exact thing - but they don't, and many whine and whinge to wear down a woman insisting on condoms (and, around here, spout bad science about how supposedly bad for women's and future children's bodies birth control is) - because they have less at stake and do not have to take accountability, that thing it's so trendy to accuse women of not doing.

Your starting-point assumption is that enough men should not be trusted that it is natural and acceptable (enough that the burden shifts to women to be on guard and manage around them, or accept the consequences without complaint), rather than a reflection of individual weakness of character, and of societal failures to hold them to account, as a cultural ethos (and by force (meaning legal consequences, and not the $50/mo minimum in many states) if that fails). As too many commenters have advocated as a way of wrangling irresponsible sluts, perhaps it is men who need to be SHAMED into rising above dog behavior.

There is a reason women didn't used to just let the whole village take turns on them.

Always love these phrases tossed around that put women into a conceptual place of object - just a receptacle (= defined wholly in terms of what purpose she serves for the subject/actor/ only full human in the equation), a garbage bag to toss your mess in and throw away, or a bicycle to get you from point a to point b, or a tool fit for purpose. She is merely acted upon, no sentience acknowledged.**

Why the fuck would you demand or expect a mere object /tool to do more than the subject/ actor, the supposed human? That is illogical and an utterly stupid thought process, and it suggests a high degree of (literal) self-centeredness. It's also incredibly lazy.

**Sure, sure, it's "just" linguistic parsing - but no, it's not. It sets and reinforces a set of cultural assumptions - and you do not have to look more than an inch here to see unironic and expanded utter belief in this as a literal truth, along with a lot of unfortunate agony from and anger at a mere tool - it's like missing the nail and blackening your thumbnail, then getting mad at the hammer.

 

[Lidl Drip]

we have the same conservative values

??? What is conservative about this arrangement?

he stays at home: Gets the swaglings fed and out the door in the mornings and takes care of most of the housework. Other than that, I think he spends the day gaming?
I work, do some housework and cook dinner every night.

So he stays home all day playing videogames and you come home from work to cook dinner for the kids and do all the housework he left you? Girl... why are you paying this man to be a NEET? If your kids are in kindergarten/school then why would he stay home? Especially since he doesn't even have dinner ready for you when you get home?

 

[crazedaze]

??? What is conservative about this arrangement?

He is my rock and support and I absolutely worship the man and what he does for me and my life.

 

[w4vy_gr4vy]

Funny, so at what point does the woman ever have responsibility in who she lets nut inside her? Have some accountability and choose better mates.

I guess at the same point we stop excusing men who rawdog random women and don't give a fuck about the offspring they sire without so much as a backwards glance.

 

[Jacknife]

Moids are never responsible for the consequences of their own actions, that's why they're so easily controlled by the "accountability " red pill mantras. Good thing the thread is titled "what WOMEN think"

You know I actually thought that asking in the "GORL tawk" section and putting women's thoughts in the title would make that clear but I was mistaken

 

[AMHOLIO]

You know I actually thought that asking in the "GORL tawk" section and putting women's thoughts in the title would make that clear but I was mistaken

I'm sorry, it sadly doesn't. The "man hate" thread was first put here too yet Null had to declare it a demoided zone after 3-4 months because of how many MEN came in and said how dare you/excuse me femmoid. And hilariously, the women haters club has been put into the autismdome and at least one pedo supporter has been banned. Sad!

It's definitely not all men, but we're a site that attracts loud outspoken outcast who like arguing so we will get them more here. If you focus your site on laughing at dysfunctional people, you will draw similar in whether you like it or not.

I read some of this thread and am proud of you gorls. Good and well thought out.


I feel bad that men get put the soft bigotry of low expectations with child support. "He's a man, he can't help it," really is sad. I don't mind yelling at the single mom if she was legit dumb and chose a subpar human, but the male getting off the hook and a lesser bullying because he's a man, he's purposefully retarded, is a very fucking sad case. If men like that are such second class citizens, there should be laws on them choosing to fuck and measures put in place so women know not to fuck them at their own peril (and if they do, then we can bully her). Maybe we should have labels on them so women know they're chosing a defective product? If the men don't know any better and can't learn or choose to learn, we need to do something to protect those who can. Maybe even get them a "Please be patient I am a male who is a fuckboy" hat or shirt.

 

[holykentuckyfriedrice]

Ah yes, Just Pick Better™. But also don't have high standards, or desire things in a man that might make me feel excluded, or...have any expectations really.

Yes, it makes sense to seek out partners whose lifestyle, values and goals match yours. What I don't understand is why the default assumption is that all women who end up in abusive relationships consciously chose Alcoholic McFuckface. If it's so easy to sort out the Bad Ones™ we wouldn't be exposing normal "such a nice guy" people as child molestors right and left.

 

[Pizza Time]

I think it's great, and should be the ideal standard for any civilized society, though I can also see why it doesn't appeal to a lot of modern women. I think a lot of women naturally want to be in a traditional relationship, but it requires a ton of trust and vulnerability to do so. A stay at home wife/mother is not only financially dependent on her husband during the marriage, but she's also leaving a big gap in her resume that can make it hard to support herself if something happens to the relationship (husband dies or cheats or troons out). You're basically putting your life in your husband's hands when you choose to take on this kind of lifestyle, and that can be really scary.

 

[crazedaze]

I think it's retarded to tell women they should have chosen better when there are entire industries based on teaching men to manipulate and lie to get women into bed and socially acceptable talk from men about how this is just natural because they are slaves to their dick, and then the social pressure of telling women they're cat ladies if they don't hurry up and get married at 22 when you dont jave much experience, the pressure not to hold men to any standard, dont listen to old hags who know what they're talking about they're just jealous of your hot young ass sweetie....

 

[Swagstika]

So he stays home all day playing videogames and you come home from work to cook dinner for the kids and do all the housework he left you? Girl... why are you paying this man to be a NEET? If your kids are in kindergarten/school then why would he stay home? Especially since he doesn't even have dinner ready for you when you get home?

I enjoy cooking and want to do it because it's fun.
We split chores pretty evenly because we have our own things we focus on and get annoyed by.
Does a relationship have to be transactional with a chore to money ratio?
Honestly I don't get why he would dare live like this. Everything is in my name and we have a prenup, so he has zero income other than pocket money and zero rights to anything. I could never trust anyone so much, but maybe that's just me.

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

millions of women with low standards, but none of them with low enough standards to pityfuck you.
lmao, cope harder.

So which is it? Do women have high standards as men like to claim whenever they complain about dating? Or do women have too low standards and end up single mothers after fucking retarded rawdoggers?

 

[Rich Evans Simp]

it's funny because the moids you're trying to dicksuck would call your hubby a feminine cuck or something stupid. Also noone cares.

You have zero real world life experience.

 

[Lidl Drip]

Honestly I don't get why he would dare live like this.

Because you pay for everything and he gets to play videogames all day and then eats dinner cooked for him? It's like being a teenage boy forever, ofc he loves it lmao.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

lmao, cope harder.

ok dude

Alternative: everybody be better. And yes, I said everybody. I've gone off before about women's responsibility to themselves to use birth control unless they actively want a child.

Men should be doing the same exact thing - but they don't

The vast majority of men don't have unclaimed kids all over the place, so that's factually incorrect, and an over-generalization. Why do you suppose this thread is more than happy to generalize about men, but not about women?

As too many commenters have advocated as a way of wrangling irresponsible sluts, perhaps it is men who need to be SHAMED into rising above dog behavior.

Why not both?

Always love these phrases tossed around that put women into a conceptual place of object - just a receptacle

No you're reading generalizations into it that aren't there. Whores who act as a neighborhood receptacle, are rightfully treated as such. But a woman is only a whore if she acts like one.

I've had mainly good experiences with most of the women in my life and so I would never see them or treat them like objects. But I've also ran across my fair share of the trainwreck women earlier in my life to spot the difference. There is no reason for regular women to show solidarity with them because they're the female version of the guys you're talking about, and if you lump yourself in with the pigs, don't be surprised if you end up with shit on you.

Slut-shaming should exists for both genders because there is nothing good that comes from promoting that sort of behavior.

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

Alternative: everybody be better. And yes, I said everybody. I've gone off before about women's responsibility to themselves to use birth control unless they actively want a child.

Birth control does not guarantee a woman won't get pregnant. The only real way to prevent pregnancy is to not have sex.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

Birth control does not guarantee a woman won't get pregnant. The only real way to prevent pregnancy is to not have sex.

YOU DON'T SAY.

 

[missnaptime]

a lot of girls i know including myself date to marry. there's growing pushback from the idea that people should date casually.
if a man can't tolerate the word 'no' and a woman's right to revoke consent, a bullet to the head for him is the solution.

 

[Jacknife]

a lot of girls i know including myself date to marry. there's growing pushback from the idea that people should date casually.
if a man can't tolerate the word 'no' and a woman's right to revoke consent, a bullet to the head for him is the solution.

I really think that just executing rapists and murderers, heavily punishing sexual assault and stopping brown migration would course-correct almost the whole trajectory of the male/female division.

Entire debates that dominate the discourse would shift and issues that are only losely tied to those above would suddenly vanish