💬 Off-Topic Ex-AF Political Discussion

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Then America is doomed.

I was thinking more so Poland but hey, could work.
Funny that you pick Poland out of all the Catholic countries in the world while saying race doesn’t matter lmfao.

Also yes, America will never be a Catholic theocracy, that’s absolutely insane. The Hispanics are becoming less religious OR they are becoming Protestant.
 
Now I can’t speak for everyone here, but for me the appeal of AF when I first heard of them was I thought that they were seeking to build something different. Something separate from wignattery, liberalism, and conservatism. Something based off Christian values and Western ideals. Then Nick showed his true colors as both a racist and faggot.

I think the answer is that we have to embrace Christian values while taking an agnostic attitude towards race realism. Both for moral reasons and political reasons. At the end of the day the only thing that could justify treating blacks as inferiors is if Evola was right about them having an inferior soul, but that runs counter to Christian heterodoxy. Not to mention the fact that it’s political suicide to embrace race realism. We must accept what we have lost, racial and cultural homogeneity, and work earnestly to resuscitate the bedrock of the West: Christendom. A multiracial society is unavoidable and it is workable among brothers in Christ.
Lol, Nick is a coward so he cucked on every divisive issue. That's why he rejected the ethnostate and that's why he embraced Christians. Nick saw his angle as being the easier path. AF, more like AC, American Cowards. Nick is 1 step to the right of Charlie Kirk. He is a pundit or grifter, not a real activist or revolutionary. With that said, his criticisms against wignats are correct but his movement is now too filled with toxic spergs.

With regards to Christianity, you're completely mistaken. Christianity was embraced by the Roman Empire to control the masses JUST LIKE CIVIL RIGHTS AND SOCIAL JUSTICE IS EMBRACED BY THE RULING CLASS TODAY. There has never been a "true Christendom." It was all a system of control. The reality is most peasant didn't know jack shit about the Jesus. All they knew is they had to attend church, repeat a few prayers and tithe some money or they'd be punished. So Christianity has never been willing embraced by the general public. it was forced on the general public top-down hence expecting some type of grassroots rival is totally naive and ironically many people have even said that neoliberalism and now global open borders is a secularized Christianity.

Anyways, immigration and Dysgenics and maybe even income inequality are the problems of our era and that is what we must fix. We can't just go back in time, "Well real Communism has never been tried.... Well real Liberalism/Libertarian has never been tried... Well real Christianity has never been tried." No. What you saw in the past was as good as it gets for these ideologies/religions and we can't go back. We must go forward.
 
The Hispanics are becoming less religious OR they are becoming Protestant.
Correct. I meet lots of hispanics (and Italians, etc.) whose families not only have become protestants but have a bunch of demeaning shit to say about catholicism that reaches a point where it even offends me, as an atheist. Many protestants don't even consider catholics to be christians. Meanwhile, I can't think of even one person I've met IRL who went the other way, was from a protestant background but became a catholic.

A considerable number of them also switch to more obscure sects like mormonism.
 
I literally said that the solution is to form political parties and go after these people, so what's yours, faggot?
Like I said, to interact with social structures from within and use historically proven methods of change, but some sperg aping out about how literally everything is dah jooz said it wouldn’t work (:_(
 
Correct. I meet lots of hispanics (and Italians, etc.) whose families not only have become protestants but have a bunch of demeaning shit to say about catholicism that reaches a point where it even offends me, as an atheist. Many protestants don't even consider catholics to be christians. Meanwhile, I can't think of even one person I've met IRL who went the other way, was from a protestant background but became a catholic.

A considerable number of them also switch to more obscure sects like mormonism.
Very true. Then looking at other demographics: blacks are 99% Protestant, Asians who convert to Christianity usually become evangelical, and who are the white people with high birth rates? Protestant fundamentalists and Mormons. White American Catholics these days are usually very liberal and have small families. There are more Prot fundies that reject birth control and have huge families than Catholics, far more.

Edit: forgot the Amish. But that only strengthens my point.
 
Usually we get it whether or not we want to hear it. Kind of dubious that you're holding back now.
I’m lazy but here goes.

So first off I think we all know what Christian values I’m talking about. Family values. Divorce has utterly fucked kids like it was named Jeff. Seriously, the only things worse than having divorced parents are having gay parents or a single mom. Not to knock single moms, I know many who are epic. But the kids need both a male and female parental figure. So yeeting no fault divorce and gay marriage would do wonders for society.

Sexual impurity is also a huge problem. Not just homosexuality, but our entire sexual culture is at fault. From hookup culture to porn, it all must go. Ideally throw contraception in with the mix. Porn is especially problematic because it fucks with the brain like drugs. This is exasperated in young kids. So restoring some level of sexual purity to society is a necessity.

We also need to foster a culture based upon the dignity of man. Everyone has the right to live and die with dignity. Abortion, euthanasia, the death penalty, and unnatural life extension technology needs to go. I’m talking about like having someone hooked up to a machine, unconscious, brain dead, etc for months and months on end when it’s time to let go. Idk the specifics of how to deal with that but in general palliative care should be more common than keeping someone alive as nothing more than a vegetable.

We must also care for the poor and downtrodden. This includes welfare and other stuff such as prison reform. For instance, did you know that women who give birth in prison are subjected to inhumanities such as being shackled while giving birth and only getting to spend a day with their newborn. That’s unacceptable. The food in prison is terrible, the lack of conjugal visits leads families to break up, drug addicts receive no help in kicking their addictions, and there is no order in the facility. Prison does nothing to rehabilitate criminals, no wonder it’s just a revolving door.

Capitalism is the enemy of the people. While a free market is necessary for a functional society, said market must not be tainted by greed and other sins. The problem is that corporations are too large and too free. We must break up oligarchopolies and ensure that no one business holds such significant control over the people. Unions must be strengthened and brought under the wing of the state. Furthermore they should be animated by a Christian notion of charity between the two classes, proletariat and bourgeoisie, rather than the communist value of envy. Thus secular trade unions as well as those which espouse dangerous ideas are to be reorganized into church-run and state sponsored guilds, collectives, or other suitable entities. Women, specifically married women, should be discouraged from working. Young women should also be pressured to get married as soon as they find a suitable partner and exit the workforce, thus limiting our labor pool and driving wages higher.

Our education system must be totally upended. Children need religious education. Public and secular private schools do not teach children morals. All study into “gender” or “race” should be outlawed and children should never be exposed to such degeneracy.

Regarding citizenship, only virtuous Christian citizens shall be granted suffrage. This will be handled by local parishes and congregations. For one to receive suffrage their pastor or local priest must confirm that they are indeed virtuous and educated enough to vote. Of course the votes of the people will not truly decide policies. Most of the things in this ramble will be part of eternity clauses in the constitution. In other words, at most the people vote on economic issues and other petty bullshit. But the constitution, this new constitution, serves as something which is above politics. It is sovereign in all but a literal sense as true sovereignty belongs to God alone. Nevertheless, an entrenched constitution will assure that our work is not undone by future generations.

Despite the state itself being Christian, the state will grant full rights to all people. Atheism and heathenry, despite being heavily discouraged, shall nonetheless be tolerated. As has been previously mentioned, citizenship does not confer suffrage as it is a privilege. Other such privileges include speech, driving, firearm ownership, military service, and holding a public office. With the exception of driving, which shall be handled as it currently is, all these privileges shall be handled in the same way as suffrage. Rights, conferred to all regardless of creed or citizenship (barring illegal aliens), include: life, freedom of conscience, protection from cruel or unusual punishment, to be provided with the necessities of life (only applies for those unable to provide for themselves or own family), the right to a fair trial, the right against unlawful searches/seizures, and property ownership (subject to restrictions).

Some groups must be utterly crushed as they have no place in Christendom. All are children of God and must act like it. There can be no tolerance for any groups which promote racial hatred, irreligiosity, degeneracy, or sin. Such organizations should be outlawed and anyone found to be a member of such a secret society should be punished severely as they are an enemy of Christ and His people.

I’m probably missing something but as you can see, highly unrealistic. Short of some sort of societal collapse or serious upheaval it’s impossible. Frankly I think that’s not out of the cards so there’s hope. But if that’s not the case, I guess the best we can do is fight back against abortion and otherwise try to slow the decline. After all, while a societal collapse could give us the opportunity to build a far better society many lives would be lost. Not to mention the fact that it’s not a guarantee we come out on top.
 
^So you want to magically eliminate obvious problems that everyone agrees are bad like divorce and single motherhood (though you're a softie about this since you were raised by a single mother), and almost all of your issue-based views are indistinguishable from liberalism aside from the fact that you put some crosses on the walls. Oh and you have a power fantasy about taking my guns away since I'm an atheist.

Oh, and at no point did you explain how any of this relates to the core ideas of christianity . Which was basically all I asked for.

I can see why you wanted to keep this hidden.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
^So you want to magically eliminate obvious problems that everyone agrees are bad like divorce and single motherhood (though you're a softie about this since you were raised by a single mother), and almost all of your issue-based views are indistinguishable from liberalism aside from the fact that you put some crosses on the walls. Oh and you have a power fantasy about taking my guns away since I'm an atheist.

I can see why you wanted to keep this hidden.
Yeah. I realize it’s never gonna happen which is why I focus on the practical. As in things that can actually be accomplished. But as I said, societal collapse isn’t off the table. Also you’re wrong about the whole me being a bastard thing but whatever.
 
I am EXTREMELY curious how such a generic "Christian nation“ would work in a nation with a vast diversity of denominations. When has that ever worked? The bloodiest wars in European history were fought over sectarianism. This is an exceptionally simplistic understanding of the politics of religion.
 
I am EXTREMELY curious how such a generic "Christian nation“ would work in a nation with a vast diversity of denominations. When has that ever worked? The bloodiest wars in European history were fought over sectarianism. This is an exceptionally simplistic understanding of the politics of religion.
I mean politically speaking Evangelicals, Catholics, and some others can get along. Just exclude liberal churches from the power structure.
 
I mean politically speaking Evangelicals, Catholics, and some others can get along. Just exclude liberal churches from the power structure.
Well that would be a first, a non-denominational theocracy. Not to mention the fact that America was set up to be secular, not "a country to be ran by only sufficiently le baste churches“.
 
Yeah. I realize it’s never gonna happen which is why I focus on the practical. As in things that can actually be accomplished. But as I said, societal collapse isn’t off the table. Also you’re wrong about the whole me being a bastard thing but whatever.
You don't have any sense for the practical, less than almost anyone else here. Your idea of a practical resolution to abortion was "just make society so happy that no one ever wants an abortion" (while simultaneously wanting economic collapse).
 
You don't have any sense for the practical, less than almost anyone else here. Your idea of a practical resolution to abortion was "just make society so happy that no one ever wants an abortion" (while simultaneously wanting economic collapse).
I don’t remember ever wanting economic collapse. Nor did I ever say it’d completely solve the problem. Let the police go after selfish sluts who choose to abort even after all society has provided them with.
 
Lol, Nick is a coward so he cucked on every divisive issue. That's why he rejected the ethnostate and that's why he embraced Christians. Nick saw his angle as being the easier path. AF, more like AC, American Cowards. Nick is 1 step to the right of Charlie Kirk. He is a pundit or grifter, not a real activist or revolutionary. With that said, his criticisms against wignats are correct but his movement is now too filled with toxic spergs.

With regards to Christianity, you're completely mistaken. Christianity was embraced by the Roman Empire to control the masses JUST LIKE CIVIL RIGHTS AND SOCIAL JUSTICE IS EMBRACED BY THE RULING CLASS TODAY. There has never been a "true Christendom." It was all a system of control. The reality is most peasant didn't know jack shit about the Jesus. All they knew is they had to attend church, repeat a few prayers and tithe some money or they'd be punished. So Christianity has never been willing embraced by the general public. it was forced on the general public top-down hence expecting some type of grassroots rival is totally naive and ironically many people have even said that neoliberalism and now global open borders is a secularized Christianity.

Anyways, immigration and Dysgenics and maybe even income inequality are the problems of our era and that is what we must fix. We can't just go back in time, "Well real Communism has never been tried.... Well real Liberalism/Libertarian has never been tried... Well real Christianity has never been tried." No. What you saw in the past was as good as it gets for these ideologies/religions and we can't go back. We must go forward.
We're totally different from the Romans though! We care about minorities!
 
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