Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

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Oh sorry, I guess because somebody says "I work at the direction of my boss" when asked that makes it objectively true and above questioning. I guess his body of work and isolationist record, constant consistent reporting from multiple sources, and observable evidence should all be overlooked.

Sorry to have insulted your husband like that, Mrs. Vance.
I'm not particularly interested in slapfighting. I just think the idea/rumors that Vance is working behind the scenes to sabotage trump or whatever are unfounded and schizo nonsense.
Whether it's you or some sort of 'unnamed sources familiar with the matter' reports you may be referring to.
 
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I'm not particularly interested in slapfighting. I just think the idea that Vance is working behind the scenes to sabotage trump or whatever are unfounded and schizo nonsense.
Whether it's you or some sort of 'unnamed sources familiar with the matter' reports you may be referring to.
He's not trying to insidiously "sabotage" Trump, you dumbfuck. Nobody is accusing him of that, and that's an autistic mischaracterization of what is being said as much as your cherrypicked previous message was. He's genuinely doing what he thinks is best, which is leading the nation in as isolationist a direction as possible. However, what he thinks is best is objectively retarded once the unprecedentedly bold decision to go in was made, and muddies the waters with half-measures. Hence the clusterfuck that followed the initial decision with the ceasefire and MoU.

Go back months and follow along on reports on who is advocating for what. Follow Rubio's public messaging and Vance's public messaging. Follow who is the biggest advocate voices for the negotiations, MoU, ceasefire, and deal versus military action. Put 2+2 together and utilize common sense based on their track records. It's not remotely difficult to see who's pushing for what.

If you want to advocate for the mastermind of the directionless Vance Plan, though, following him being humiliated and snubbed on the first day with the Iranian team going to their hotel before the end, be my guest. Carry his water all day on the way to getting 20% of votes in the Republican primaries in 2028 before dropping out.
 
What's the crux of the Bolivia thing?
As far as I can tell, the new guy (Rodrigo Paz) got elected on a platform of basically unfucking the country after the native commie who ran the place (Evo Morales, also infamous for diddling a 14/15 year old girl) finished running Bolivia into the Andean bedrock. Neither Morales nor any puppet of his even got into the 2nd round, and due to retarded infighting Morales' party was also wiped out in the Bolivian congress equivalent (nuked from 75 seats out of 130 to literally 2). However the commies have been seething at all of Paz's efforts to undo their misrule, so they've protested against his economic reforms and have more recently been calling for his outright overthrow, no doubt so that Morales can snake his way back in.

I hope Paz holds firm, buckbreaks the rioters & domes Morales by the end of all this tbh. Morales' brand of indigenismo is basically what you get when you mix socialist economics with progressive social politics (Morales has proudly trumpeted his feminist credentials before, lust for teenage girls notwithstanding, and is also on the record as being pro-faggotry & troons) & especially Canadian-style 'First Nations'-centric grievance politics - and that is every bit as gay as it sounds, down to having a vomitous rainbow flag of its own.

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lmao bro how is this real life

i assume its because demining is a bitch.
like if its full of mines how do you 'take' it

speaking of which

mining waterways is against international law
'international law' doesnt mean shit
the old avenger-class ships could probably do the job on demining the strait; there's only four of them still in service, but for a necessary trade artery like the strait of hormuz, i wager it would be worth it to divert them to there. the arleigh burkes are there to give them escort and air cover as well. imo trump is running a very tight ship and is worried about investing that many more military resources into the region than he already has both due to the war powers resolution and him not wanting to spook markets more than they already have been.
 
Maybe I'm wrong but I've always felt like the tension between Trumps deal and the IDF fighting Hezbollah is kayfabe. Getting rid of them is part and parcel of taking Iran down and containing them, which appears to be an overall objective here. Iran doesn't have an invading type army and their proxies functionally act as one. Getting them to a state where their missiles are unreliable and their proxies cant do shit seems essential one way or another. We seem to be moving toward a place where the IRGC is a contained non state entity and Hezbollah is reduced to a remnant gang.
Hezbollah is Iran's main proxy, and Lebanon is their main command center. It's obviously Kayfabe.
What's more interesting is that neither the IDF or the USA have felted the Shia militias in Iraq, and largely left them alone.
Whats even more interesting is that those militias have not left their sand box.
I don't know what is up with Vance
My best guess is they're trying to plot a course from him that is popular with people who are both with Trump all the way, and some who aren't.
Or they don't like him anymore which is funnier.
Evan McMullin not running
THE CIA'S GREATEST DOLLAR MENU ITEM
EVAN McMUFFIN!
The notion Israel collapses without the U.S is historically iliterate.
The notion Israel exists on its own is unkikely.
Kim is shorter than my girlfriend's 16 year old little sister and he's basically a god in his country.
Stalin was 5'5"

KGB/NKVD:
Yagoda was 5'5"
Yezhov was 5'0"
Beria was 5'7" or 5'8"
Serov was 5'5"

The short man will murder you with bureaucracy, to make up for chad being taller than him.
 
Why won't trump just take the fucking hormuz man.
Honestly? Because he's fucking terrified of taking casualties, and doing the shit necessary to impose our military's will on the situation would require that. The guy doesn't do military actions unless he thinks there's minimal risk, and he doesn't want to become another Dubya that just threw Americans into an asymmetric meat grinder like in Iraq. Most of his actions since the ceasefire started have just been "monkey see, monkey do" imitations of how Iran does negotiations.

Any rhetoric on his part about blowing Iran to kingdom come is just that. He doesn't really mean it, or he'd have done it already.
 
he doesn't want to become another Dubya that just threw Americans into an asymmetric meat grinder like in Iraq.
Cough cough, Russia and Ukraine have become a cautionary tale. Longer than WWII. Its like a modern WW I horror with drones and trenches, but I agree, Trump needs to take some more risks here. Its a war and its a military, dying is part of the equation but thats the reality and you have face it.

When the Vance negotiations fail, Trump will be faced with doing a special operation month long ground operation to retrieve the HEU or more IRGC decapitation strikes and hope moderate voices will rise to the occasion. I would only call the war a failure if we don't get the HEU. Its not over yet, but Im worried Iran will just wait out Trump and undertake a recovery operation later.
 
Honestly? Because he's fucking terrified of taking casualties, and doing the shit necessary to impose our military's will on the situation would require that. The guy doesn't do military actions unless he thinks there's minimal risk, and he doesn't want to become another Dubya that just threw Americans into an asymmetric meat grinder like in Iraq. Most of his actions since the ceasefire started have just been "monkey see, monkey do" imitations of how Iran does negotiations.

Any rhetoric on his part about blowing Iran to kingdom come is just that. He doesn't really mean it, or he'd have done it already.
This will remain a major weakness for America and the west.

Israel and Ukraine fight wars knowing there will be casualties.

You simply can never win if you are a coward.
 
Honestly? Because he's fucking terrified of taking casualties, and doing the shit necessary to impose our military's will on the situation would require that. The guy doesn't do military actions unless he thinks there's minimal risk, and he doesn't want to become another Dubya that just threw Americans into an asymmetric meat grinder like in Iraq. Most of his actions since the ceasefire started have just been "monkey see, monkey do" imitations of how Iran does negotiations.

Any rhetoric on his part about blowing Iran to kingdom come is just that. He doesn't really mean it, or he'd have done it already.
There is this correct belief that a full attack on Iran would result in its destruction and that of course is true; but not without immense losses being suffered by the United States. How it is framed as a simple easy act for the USA to take out the entire military power of a country like Iran is just a fallacy. It is a tough egg. Iran has called trumps bluffs repeatedly on this. Irans military will go to the bone with the USA if it has to and it will not be buried unless it takes a lot of others with it. On paper it’s obvious who wins; but in reality it will be a slaughter on both sides with a land invasion.

You aren’t eliminating hundreds of thousands of troops with air attacks alone; just won’t happen. Period.

Trump can hope for an economic collapse of Iran and there is virtue in that; but if the game is set to see if Iran can outlast the global economy then the models speak for themselves; they can and will outlast the global economy if they keep the strait closed and destroy some of the regional energy infrastructure.

The USA obviously wins. But the cost will be steep and I doubt it is worth it. It seems Trump wants to fuck over the deal he himself approved so he can have the excuse for failure that he wasn’t allowed to nuke Iran. He is pathetic.
 
This will remain a major weakness for America and the west.

Israel and Ukraine fight wars knowing there will be casualties.

Israel and Ukraine are engaged in existential conflict.

Trump is just fucking around in Iran because he wants a peace prize or something.

Of course the USA isn't going to have the same tolerance for casualties.

Trump needs to take some more risks here

Trump didn't need to do anything.
 
Trump is just fucking around in Iran because he wants a peace prize or something.
He's never getting that Nobel peace prize after he rattled Europe over NATO and Greenland. I think hes 100% correct on both stances, hell, I think we should just take Greenland, but someone should tell him the Nobel peace prize ain't happening.
 
Beria was 5'7" or 5'8"
Proof that manlets can't get laid without threatening to send her family to the gulag.

This will remain a major weakness for America and the west.

Israel and Ukraine fight wars knowing there will be casualties.

You simply can never win if you are a coward.
Yes but leadership should still be casualty-averse, lest you end up with the Prussian model of sacrificing entire divisions of men and boys for slightly better leverage at the negotiation table.

Leadership should still seek to minimize casualties at all costs, just do so with the flexibility to let the military men do the job they trained to do.
 
He's never getting that Nobel peace prize after he rattled Europe over NATO and Greenland. I think hes 100% correct on both stances, hell, I think we should just take Greenland, but someone should tell him the Nobel peace prize ain't happening.
Hegseth is going to get on stage and give Trump the Nobel War Prize and then do push ups while "Real American" plays in the background.
"For killing all those stupid children in Iran, I award you the Massacre Medallion for Greatest Killer. You truly are the caesar of our times. Ave Imperator"
Then everyone throws a roman and Erika plays while everyone sings along.

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