Iran Crisis & the 2026 War between Iran and the United States, Gulf States, and Israel - Please focus on news and coverage, not argumentation.

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Something blew up in Doha:

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Barzan plant exploded in ras laffan #doha #qatar

Shin reporting explosions in Bahrain

https://x.com/hey_itsmyturn/status/2068782882584232192

Locals are saying it was an earthquake.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

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Israeli Minister Ben Gvir’s tweet has been censored by X.

He is what the ralpha-male will never be.

Like or dislike Israel, I think JD Vance directly antagonizing them accomplished the opposite of what anyone wants.
Saying Israel might "go wild" killing people or describing the Beirut thing as simply "massive explosion kills civilians" without mentioning the 4 israeli soldiers who were murdered - Vance is pure antagonizing but for what purpose?

Even if Vance does become president one day, is he just assuming antagonizing = cooperation?
Before Israel was our ally they were selling American Military Tech to the Chinese.
The notion Israel collapses without the U.S is historically iliterate.
All this antagonizing just pushes Israel towards a new sugar daddy.

What are you talking about when it comes to China? The overall sentiment I don't disagree with. The history has proven that the United States is only ingrained itself deeply into the Israeli R&D defense sector because if we didn't, the Israelis would become our competitor on the export market and would also probably go to other countries to buy material goods and other weapons. But why did they sell our stuff to the Chinese? Not trying to be antagonistic. I'm generally asking. I can't seem to find an answer that isn't fucking insane.

Please don't feel bad for Vance. He's not only handled the actual negotiations and messaging horribly, he's been one of the biggest isolationist voices in Trump's circle since the beginning. The only thing I'll give him credit for is holding the Trump administration's lines in negotiations.

The Vice President's greatest, most important role is to be a good second-in-command for the President and back his decisions. The time to be a dissenting voice was back when the plans were being drawn up. Once Trump made the decision to go in, being the voice of "putting the toothpaste back in the tube" and half-measures is absurdity and actively hinders American interests. The MoU to open these negotiations is largely his brainchild and why his name is so strongly attached. Even if you disagree with having gone in with every fiber of your Groyper being, once the die has been cast, you need to man up and act from the place of pragmatism rather than idealism.

Vance has acted to undermine Trump's decision to go in after it was made, and he is paying for it with his political future. He absolutely deserves this for trying to buddy up to delusional America-hating Islamists.

Couldn't agree with you more even if I tried. The fact of the matter is, even if you're TKD the USA can't start (publicly) disagreeing with Israel or agreeing to any part of the iranian demands. This is because if you do this, our allies will realize we can't be relied on. What's stopping the Chinese from attacking Taiwan and telling us hey, we'll stop if you tell Taiwan to stop too. And then the only thing the Chinese need to do is put enough political pressure to ends up like a Hong Kong situation.

But the US delegation should have done. Is it the second the Iranians open their fucking mouth and start trying to bring Lebanon into this (You know to save their proxies to advance their revolutionary Shiite ideology), The USA should have made this very clear that either they're going to negotiate with us in good faith or walking away. And then actually just walk away. We did something similar during Vietnam and we got what we needed, Vance, Carlson, the groypers The parrot the viewpoints of third world- ideology. They're anti-American, full stop. America has never been cut off from the international world order and it should not be. I don't care what George Washington once said. We have been involved in the international world order since we spent a third of our fucking budget defeating the pirates of north Africa. What stopped us with our economy; Nothing more, nothing less.


Also I'm back for a bit personal stuff got a bit better.

 

[Catch The Rainbow]

Locals are saying it was an earthquake.

Qatar has never had an earthquake

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Qatar has never had an earthquake

️- BREAKING: A massive fire has broken out at the Ras Laffan Gas Plant just outside of Doha, the capital of Qatar.

The cause of the explosion is still unknown.


Source: telegram

 

[Chuckwagon]

I feel kind of bad for Vance tbh because it's his job as VP to do these negotiations. He's not only the spare for the President, with a few mostly ceremonial duties of his own, but he's supposed to be training to be the next President as well. There's really no way to train in international politics on one's own. Any interested parties, by law, must engage in international politics under the supervision and orders of a President, and his President is unfortunately Trump. And Trump's plans are making Vance look like a blustering incompetent. We don't know how he'd handle things on his own, because he's not handling things on his own; he's following Trump's orders, and these orders are not transparent to us.

Tbf, it's actually not guaranteed or even all that common for VPs to succeed their President. I believe only 15 out of the 50 (including Vance) to have served to date managed to do so. If Vance fails to succeed Trump by way of getting primaried by Rubio (or anyone else) it actually wouldn't be all that surprising given the historical trends.

Meanwhile, Rubio has the power position. It's his job to talk tough, to be blunt, and not to try and finesse a cardboard box into a lasting agreement. He has the privilege of looking competent and hard because that's literally his only role.

My esteem in Rubio has gone up 1000% since 2015 and everyone is wondering what would have happened if he had won back then. personally I think if he'd have won the nomination, he'd have lost the election to Hillary, because nobody knew him back then. But I do think part of the dichotomy in competence between the public faces of Vance and Rubio has to do with their specific roles in the administration.

To play the alt-hist game for a bit: I think Rubio could've beaten Clinton because of just how (rightfully!) loathed she was and is, she did after all manage to lose to Trump despite actively boosting him in the Republican primaries under the assumption that he'd be the easiest rival to beat (the so-called 'pied piper strategy'), but he would have used a very different strategy from Trump to do so. Trump's populism & its appeal to the white working class allowed him to bust down the Blue Wall of Midwestern states, but 2016 Rubio was running as something in-between a neocon & a Tea Partier - his campaign logo was even a reference to the Project for the New American Century, one of the biggest neocon think tanks of the Bush years.



I think given his efforts to hype himself up as the hip, young & diverse alternative to the stodgy neocon old guard like Jeb! but who was also loyal to the then-conservative ideological orthodoxy unlike Trump, Rubio would've run a much more Sun Belt-focused campaign. He'd have targeted flipping states like Arizona & New Mexico and retaining the suburban 'bourgeois' types instead of making significant outreach to the white working class. Maybe he could've taken Wisconsin, which was the most right-leaning of the Blue Wall states; it is possible that he would've chosen WI's governor Scott Walker (another guy who ran in the primaries, had a lead early on but lost it just as quickly & dropped out before a single primary vote was cast) as his running mate.

Rubio would also have benefited from the Libertarians remaining a non-factor and Evan McMullin not running (they respectively only did better than usual & ran in the first place due to right-wing opposition to Trump in 2016). Ultimately I think this would've been the most likely, and probably also the biggest Rubio win:



Essentially trading Michigan & Pennsylvania for Nevada & New Mexico. Smaller electoral margin than Trump's, but still a W propped up by the Hispanic vote shifting rightward early for the first major Hispanic presidential candidate (GOP strategizing post-2012 and pre-Trump was all about trying to flip the Latino vote in particular to win elections).

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Those are the same people who were talking about America imploding, using their whirlpool weapons, and putitng out hits on Trump, right?

I don't know if they're so stupid or just so arrogant that they don't realize that Trump CANNOT issue a public apology to them.
There are several things a head of state absolutely cannot, under any circumstances, do, and a big one is publicly showing fealty to an enemy state, especially in the middle of high-level negotiations.
It would completely destroy our standing as a superpower in the eyes of the entire world. Xi may actually invade Taiwan the next day if Trump were to capitulate in such a humiliating fashion.

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Locals are saying it was an earthquake.

Between the Middle East and California, Allah has really been trying to shake all Islamists to pieces these past few weeks.

 

[Maori Kiwifruit Growers]

Between the Middle East and California, Allah has really been trying to shake all Islamists to pieces these past few weeks.

Something something the arrogance of the goyium something something God's chosen people.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Qatar has never had an earthquake

Qatar is saying it was a "technical accident". Shit like this happens from time to time in the US and if this was Iran fucking about Iranian Telegram channels would be covering it and not the World Cup game against Belgium.

 

[diroama]

After Iran demanded that Trump apologize for stating basic facts about them, and at Pakistan's and Qatar's urging, Trump has decided to say he's sorry. To Italy. For ever giving them money despite their absolute worthlessness.
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How much money does the USA give to Italy?

 

[Foley]

After Iran demanded that Trump apologize for stating basic facts about them, and at Pakistan's and Qatar's urging, Trump has decided to say he's sorry. To Italy. For ever giving them money despite their absolute worthlessness.
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This bickering between Trump and Meloni is sad, pointless, and hilarious all at the same time. Jesus Christ, move on, both of you.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

Message from Commander Qa'ani to the terrorist soldiers of the Zionist regime's army

Commander of the Quds Force of the IRGC:

The aggressive and terrorist Zionist soldiers have suffered 100 casualties in less than 4 days!!! If you do not leave southern Lebanon on your own feet, the epic of the year 2000 will be repeated once again; the same year you fled this land in disgrace and humiliation.

Today, if you insist on aggression and occupation, you will be kicked out with humiliation and defeat.
It's up to you

You kikes better listen to the camel fucker! Lebanon will be the graveyard for the IDF!

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Footage of the initial explosion in Qatar.


Fox News confirms the Iranians are done with their tantrum and negotiations are ongoing.

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Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said claims that he and President Trump control each other’s decisions are false, stressing that both lead “independent and proud countries” and act according to their own national interests.

“You know, in the United States, they say that President Trump does everything that I ask him to do.

And in Israel, they say that I do everything he wants me to do. Well, neither is true. We’re leaders of independent and proud countries.

We stand for our interests. I stand for the interests of Israel and for its security. And often we see eye to eye.

Sometimes we don’t. But we respect each other’s sovereignty and leadership and commitment to our people.”

 

[bookers]

Why do you suppose that the Iranians consistently request Vance specifically at these negotiations?

Why do you suppose the messaging has been so absurdly different between Rubio and Vance throughout this entire thing?

Why do you suppose Vance was such a mum fencesitter on Massie?

Why do you suppose Trump made an unprecedentedly bold decision to go in, then suddenly started an endless ceasefire with no apparent strategy?

It's not entirely on Vance, you can also throw Witkoff and Kushner in the pile amongst other

If I recall correctly, Witkoff already went and sperged out when he did (not that i blame him)
Also reportedly republican hardliners wanted witkoff sidelined. The ones in israel did as well.

>Why do you suppose Vance was such a mum fencesitter on Massie?
i dont even know what this is referring to. massie is irrelevant

>Why do you suppose Trump made an unprecedentedly bold decision to go in, then suddenly started an endless ceasefire with no apparent strategy?
i have extreme doubts that the answer to this question is 'because vance told him to'.

>Why do you suppose the messaging has been so absurdly different between Rubio and Vance throughout this entire thing?
has it? and again, I have doubts that Vance is just doing his own thing without any direction from the president.
literally every time he's asked he says he works at the direction of the president.
thinking he's running some countersignal shadow campaign just doesnt seem realistic to me.

 

[ThisIsGonnaBeGood]

Fox News confirms the Iranians are done with their tantrum and negotiations are ongoing.

Bipolar queers threaten total global destruction every time they get pissy, then when the other side doesn't immediately capitulate, they quietly slink back after they've calmed down with their cookies and chocolate milk.

 

[Alphasnail]

God this is such a funny shitshow. Every party involved has to piss and moan and act like they're touc--hing poo poo because of the popular impression. Also Vance is a soggy little faggot bitch. All he ever had going for him was hot takes and linking up with right wing twitter, which is more of a detriment anyway. Marcito is the better of the two for now. If he can maintain a policy of strict deportitos and continue getting latin american countries to bomb the fuck out of narcos, then I'm happy enough with that. BTW idk if anyone here covers it, but we've got Delcy Rodriguez blooding her hands in the name of restoring industry for foreign investments and tons of latin american shitholes are joining in with us to slaughter narcos.

 

[Ghostse]

Qatar has never had an earthquake

That was before Iran developed earthquake weapons, infidel.
The earth djinn will end you.

I don't know if they're so stupid or just so arrogant that they don't realize that Trump CANNOT issue a public apology to them.
There are several things a head of state absolutely cannot, under any circumstances, do, and a big one is publicly showing fealty to an enemy state, especially in the middle of high-level negotiations.
It would completely destroy our standing as a superpower in the eyes of the entire world. Xi may actually invade Taiwan the next day if Trump were to capitulate in such a humiliating fashion.

Its because Iran is trying to do what they always do. Drama queen it up, flounce around, waste time and hope the other side is willing to make concessions just to make the process end.

I know Trump said we're bombing after 60 days. I know we're not but seriously we need give them a love tap on Day 61.

Bipolar queers threaten total global destruction every time they get pissy, then when the other side doesn't immediately capitulate, they quietly slink back after they've calmed down with their cookies and chocolate milk.

I fucking hate Arab Muslims so much.

 

[Mr. Racewar1488]

BTW idk if anyone here covers it, but we've got Delcy Rodriguez blooding her hands in the name of restoring industry for foreign investments and tons of latin american shitholes are joining in with us to slaughter narcos.

I made a Venezuela thread almost a year ago that's pretty much dead but me and a couple of Venezuelan Kiwis post news every now and then. Bolivia might be getting spicy with the president clearing roadblocks so there might be a Bolivian Conflict Thread soon.

 

[Apteryx Owenii]

Why won't trump just take the fucking hormuz man.

probably because the people telling him "just take the hormuz" are the ones who told him he wouldn't have to and that Iran would be on their knees begging for mercy after a few cruise missiles landed.

 

[Schwarzwald]

literally every time he's asked he says he works at the direction of the president.
thinking he's running some countersignal shadow campaign just doesnt seem realistic to me.

Oh sorry, I guess because somebody says "I work at the direction of my boss" when asked that makes it objectively true and above questioning. I guess his body of work and isolationist record, constant consistent reporting from multiple sources, and observable evidence should all be overlooked.

Sorry to have insulted your husband like that, Mrs. Vance.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

I made a Venezuela thread almost a year ago that's pretty much dead but me and a couple of Venezuelan Kiwis post news every now and then. Bolivia might be getting spicy with the president clearing roadblocks so there might be a Bolivian Conflict Thread soon.

What's the crux of the Bolivia thing?

 

[Mister Fister]

Has the strait troll come out yet to collect the toll?