Russell Greer vs. Viatron Corporation, A-26-937678-C

Russ thinks arbitration will go his way because he figures they’re going to split the difference. He is probably banking on about 100k. He wants 200k, they want to give him nothing, so a FAIR outcome is him getting half. I imagine as best as he can conceptualize losing it would be getting the original 20k.

They can’t give him nothing he’s disabled.
 
Russ thinks arbitration will go his way because he figures they’re going to split the difference. He is probably banking on about 100k. He wants 200k, they want to give him nothing, so a FAIR outcome is him getting half.

I kinda disagree. If you look at some of Russ' previous cases (Fremantle and the Farms are both great examples) his idea of settlement is for the other side to simply give him what he wants. The idea of compromise, or meeting the other side half way and not getting exactly what he wants genuinely seems anathema to him.
 
I think at best Viatron can hope for the arbitrator to award Greee $20k minus all of Viatron’s costs and fees. An arbitrator awarding Russle $20k to make this go away is definitely on the table. Even baby splitting is on the table because it is the least amount of work for the arbitrator.
 
I think at best Viatron can hope for the arbitrator to award Greee $20k minus all of Viatron’s costs and fees. An arbitrator awarding Russle $20k to make this go away is definitely on the table. Even baby splitting is on the table because it is the least amount of work for the arbitrator.
How much would that be after Greer's half of arbitration and court fees?
 
$20k minus (the coincidentally $20k fees) is quite likely, as the arbiter could just say "look, you were willing to give the retard $20k to go away before, so give him me $20k to go away now" and not have to read anything.

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is what it really comes down to.
 
A 20k payout would be my guess too.

Hardin probably advised his client that Gree is a plightsperging retard who will happily spend the next 5 years drooling all over them in court and the fastest, cheapest way out of the mess is to pay the retard off and be done with him.
 
A 20k payout would be my guess too.

Hardin probably advised his client that Gree is a plightsperging retard who will happily spend the next 5 years drooling all over them in court and the fastest, cheapest way out of the mess is to pay the retard off and be done with him.

I'm hoping that they offer to pay legal fees and nothing more or else they will have the feds press extortion and fraud charges if he dosen't take it.
 
Aren't incels against going to wores, because she's being paid to have sex instead of doing it out of love?
True incels actually are against whoring, because even an incel has some pride. Russ is lower than an incel.
This also describes his approach to law. He has a vague notion of what goes on in a court room, but it's much like the cargo cults where Greer is merely going through the motions with the belief that this is what successful lawyers do and that because he's doing these things it will make him a successful lawyer.
You may have noticed that Russ mindlessly repeats words lawyers have said when they won against him. He doesn't understand the actual words, he just thinks they're magic words that mean he wins.
I think at best Viatron can hope for the arbitrator to award Greee $20k minus all of Viatron’s costs and fees. An arbitrator awarding Russle $20k to make this go away is definitely on the table. Even baby splitting is on the table because it is the least amount of work for the arbitrator.
That's not why you have arbitration agreements. You have arbitration agreements because you automatically win completely. That's what you're PAYING them for. You are their EMPLOYER. You automatically win.

And guess what? There's NO APPEAL. Appeals are completely ignored.
 
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That's not why you have arbitration agreements. You have arbitration agreements because you automatically win completely. That's what you're PAYING them for. You are their EMPLOYER. You automatically win.

And guess what? There's NO APPEAL. Appeals are completely ignored.

Exactly. Everyone needs to remember that this is an arbitration, not a mediation. Greer can't draw it out, and no appeal is allowed. Also, he can't win, and be stuck with fees, that isn't how the arbitration agreement is written. So, either he loses, and is also on the hook for all fees for the arbitration, or he wins, gets money, and pays nothing.
 
Russell is an incel.

That is why he has to pay women to have sex.
Disagree. He's not an incel for that reason, because the option to pay for sex is there, if you're able to pay enough and find someone willing to accept it. If you can afford to, and are successful in paying for sex, you're by definition not an incel, because all you need to do to not be celibate is pull your wallet out. You're still a fucking loser though.

He's an incel because he's dead-set on participating in prostitution legally, and virtually every single legal brothel in the entire state of Nevada refuses to service him. It's one thing to say, "He can't have sex unless he gives someone money," and it's another to say, "You can't have sex, because you're fucking hideous, unpleasant to be around, can only have consensual sex with someone unless they're paid, and you're not even allowed to pay for it because the businesses banned you from it, because they'd rather lose your business than service you."
Do you think that's why we never saw a motion from Russell screaming his head off about Hardin coming off the top rope to join this lawsuit? Because suddenly, Russell is getting the "neutral third party" he's bizarrely convinced himself Hardin is supposed to be?
Pretty much. He's circularly reasoned himself into this position: he's lost before because he didn't get a neutral third party (read: opposing counsel who gave him everything he wanted with no objections), but he could win if he did get a neutral third party, and because he's gotten a neutral third party, they're going to give him what he wants, so he's already won, because if he loses, they aren't a neutral third party.
I'm kind of expecting a sperg out about it alongside a motion to undo thing that was just done™ when he gets BTFO in arbitration. No doubt it'll all be stalker child Hardin's fault for tricking him into it because he didn't understand the agreement he was signing.
I agree with everyone who says that while we might not get the full results of the arbitration, we'll find out what discussed, because Greer will bring it up himself if/when he loses.
From what little we're allowed to know of the Greer V Moon mediation, Russell made unreasonable demands (probably taking his thread down) causing talks to fall through.
I think there's a second part to his dumbass request: he not only wanted the thread removed, he wanted it to be impossible to discuss him on the forum. Sounds like if you're going to drop millions in alleged damages from copyright infringement in exchange for a website not talking about you, you don't care about the money, you care about them not talking about you. Which is not the fucking purpose of a copyright infringement case.

Also I don't even think it's possible to do something like that, nor would Null ever tolerate the amount of effort to try to do such a thing, especially to help Greer.
How much would that be after Greer's half of arbitration and court fees?
$20k minus (the coincidentally $20k fees)
Viatron offered to pay all of the arbitration fees, including Greer's half, if I'm remembering correctly. I think it's to remove the barrier to arbitration, because they're reasonably certain they'll prevail, and Greer (being the eternal retard) doesn't understand the costs of things, because he's used to not having to pay for his stupid bullshit.
Hardin probably advised his client that Gree is a plightsperging retard who will happily spend the next 5 years drooling all over them in court and the fastest, cheapest way out of the mess is to pay the retard off and be done with him.
Arbitration doesn't work like that, see what happened the last time he went into it with Freemantle (as he screamed, pissed, and shit himself) when he tried to appeal it. He (along with Viatron) gives up any rights to appeal the final outcome. If he gets a bad outcome, he's fucked. There is no appeal. The courts are almost never going to undo an arbitration, because arbitration is less work for them, and there's multiple disclaimers before you even sign indicating that the result you get is the result you get is the result you get, and Russell can't plight his way out of it saying he didn't understand what he was signing.

Hell, it could arguably even be worse, if it were to be brought up that Russell has gone into arbitration previously, gotten a result he didn't like, and then proceeded to appeal when he didn't get his way: it establishes a pattern that he shits out random horseshit to harass and punish people into submission...almost like it rhymes with lexatious vitigant.
Greer can't draw it out, and no appeal is allowed.
He'll try, but if there was ever a reason for a court to immediately just discard it, "I didn't get what I want in an arbitration I voluntarily entered into," is near the fucking top.
 
$20k minus (the coincidentally $20k fees) is quite likely, as the arbiter could just say "look, you were willing to give the retard $20k to go away before, so give him me $20k to go away now" and not have to read anything.

Maybe if the arbiter wears bowties, but Greer getting nothing is more likely. Recall that per the arbitration agreement, the loser pays, so it's very much in Viatron's interest to win so that their fees are zero (realistically that's not true, but surely they can find a way to deduct it from taxes or offset it in some way) and they walk away from this with a certain shit-lipped thot-botherer owing the arbiters thousands of dollars and having willingly entered into an agreement that any judge can use to throw out his retarded appeals without a second thought.

With the way things are set up, there's very little reason for Viatron to settle. If they were smart they've only paid some small initial fee for the arbitration process and aren't paying more until it's settled. Their worst case scenario (aside from an arbiter wearing a bowtie) is one that realizes that Greer is a broke bitch that they'll never be able to collect from and that it's financially better to rule in his favor because Viatron can actually pay. Of course one that's smart enough to work that out is intelligent enough to realize that no one pays for services that favor retards like Greer and that squeezing blood drool from a stone tard is better than not getting work in the future. If the arbiter is really smart he'll realize all of this before the initial money paid by Viatron runs out and nip this in the bud before wasting company time to try to collect from a bum like Russ.
 
You may have noticed that Russ mindlessly repeats words lawyers have said when they won against him. He doesn't understand the actual words, he just thinks they're magic words that mean he wins.
I slightly disagree. I've said before, Russell doesn't just point at Hardin, say, "Habeas corpus juris prudence pro bono!" and expect it to work. He believes he's actually researched the law and found that it applies to him, when in reality it's just confirmation bias aided by google scholar, now ChatGPT. He's even argued with Hardin's "pop off at the mouth or pen and files things" comment by explaining his process as "Nuh uh, I search 'how to win case' on google scholar!"

I agree his legal strategy is "monkey see monkey do" but I compare it more to an ignorant chess player. He was beaten by a fool's mate once, so he looked up the moves, used it in a completely different game where it wouldn't work, and when his opponent wins, he whines to the referee "No fair! I satisfied all the prongs of Queen to 4h, (playing as white) you're just bias!"
 
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With "loser pays" in arbitration, is this a "arbiter doesn't get paid until the end, and then has to collect from Greer" or is this a "Viatroon pays the arbiter and ends up with a judgement they can chase Greer with"?
The arbiter works for a company which pays him. Who pays the company is therefore a step away from the arbiter and shouldn't interfere with his decision as to if the loser can actually pay.
 
With "loser pays" in arbitration, is this a "arbiter doesn't get paid until the end, and then has to collect from Greer" or is this a "Viatroon pays the arbiter and ends up with a judgement they can chase Greer with"?
The arbiter gets paid up front. Either both parties pay their share, or in this case the business is fronting the fees, which will be added to the judgement if they win. But the process does not start until the arbiter has the check.
 
That's not why you have arbitration agreements. You have arbitration agreements because you automatically win completely. That's what you're PAYING them for. You are their EMPLOYER. You automatically win.
That must be nice. In my experience in arbitration, my side winning has been about 40%, but the plaintiffs under settlement cry to the arbitrator about non performance under a partial breech with decades of case law behind it so they win a bit more often.

The very last one we had (something like $140 million with about half in dispute), the arbitrator basically ignored the issues and the fact pattern to “be nice” and split the baby. She probably went cross-eyed trying to understand everything and gave up. I almost wanted the expense of trial because I think we would have won completely. I get that my work and Russel’s ADA scamming are not the same, but the human factors are. I can see him getting some award just to go away, but that could be my own myopia.
 
That must be nice. In my experience in arbitration, my side winning has been about 40%, but the plaintiffs under settlement cry to the arbitrator about non performance under a partial breech with decades of case law behind it so they win a bit more often.

The very last one we had (something like $140 million with about half in dispute), the arbitrator basically ignored the issues and the fact pattern to “be nice” and split the baby. She probably went cross-eyed trying to understand everything and gave up. I almost wanted the expense of trial because I think we would have won completely. I get that my work and Russel’s ADA scamming are not the same, but the human factors are. I can see him getting some award just to go away, but that could be my own myopia.
We do not truly know the full facts of the case at this time, and they are likely to be even more retarded than we could imagine. It could go either way.
 
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