Russell Greer vs. Viatron Corporation, A-26-937678-C

[Irene and 22 others]

Like many failcows, he doesn't believe a successful businessman actually does or did anything to get his success, as he has no understanding or idea that it could actually involve work or skill.

His understanding of most things is childlike and has a circular sort of logic to it. What makes a businessman successful is doing successful business things which he can do because he's a successful businessman. What those things are precisely isn't something that Greer could describe, but he expects that he'll be able to do them because he's a successful businessman after all.

This also describes his approach to law. He has a vague notion of what goes on in a court room, but it's much like the cargo cults where Greer is merely going through the motions with the belief that this is what successful lawyers do and that because he's doing these things it will make him a successful lawyer.

The courts only put up with his shit because they're funded by the taxpayers and if they were dealing with Greer's bullshit, they'd only be dealing with someone else's bullshit instead. Unfortunately for Russ, arbitration doesn't work like that, but it's a good thing he's a successful lawyer because he's involved in lots of lawsuits which is something that successful lawyers do.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Hardin's specialty in litigating lolcows and particularly Russell is what I think secured the arbitration agreement.

Hardin knows how Russell works, so he could tell ViaTRON "Now that he's survived the motion to dismiss he thinks he's hot shit and has already won. Offer him arbitration, and he'll take it because he doesn't know the difference between arbitration and mediation and will think it means you're settling. You also refused arbitration before, so he'll take it because he'll think it's another "win" that he "forced" you into it. Then you can add in everything you want about how the arbitration is final and unappealable for every issue, and even put in that the loser pays for the opposition's arbitration costs and attorneys and witnesses, which you would be unlikely to get awarded from a judge, especially a tardguarding one, but can trick Russell into agreeing to himself because the possibility of losing never enters his mind, and he thinks he's already won."

 

[AngeloTheWizard]

Hardin's specialty in litigating lolcows and particularly Russell is what I think secured the arbitration agreement.

Hardin knows how Russell works, so he could tell ViaTRON "Now that he's survived the motion to dismiss he thinks he's hot shit and has already won. Offer him arbitration, and he'll take it because he doesn't know the difference between arbitration and mediation and will think it means you're settling. You also refused arbitration before, so he'll take it because he'll think it's another "win" that he "forced" you into it. Then you can add in everything you want about how the arbitration is final and unappealable for every issue, and even put in that the loser pays for the opposition's arbitration costs and attorneys and witnesses, which you would be unlikely to get awarded from a judge, especially a tardguarding one, but can trick Russell into agreeing to himself because the possibility of losing never enters his mind, and he thinks he's already won."

Do you think that's why we never saw a motion from Russell screaming his head off about Hardin coming off the top rope to join this lawsuit? Because suddenly, Russell is getting the "neutral third party" he's bizarrely convinced himself Hardin is supposed to be? Never once imagining he's going to get smacked down by the legal equivalent of a 50,000 pound owl bear?

 

[StinkySnack]

Never once imagining he's going to get smacked down by the legal equivalent of a 50,000 pound owl bear?

Too bad he's not capable of giving a smug look. I'd love to see when it gets wiped off his face.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

Do you think that's why we never saw a motion from Russell screaming his head off about Hardin coming off the top rope to join this lawsuit?

He probably hasn't noticed yet as it was in the fourth email of the day.
I do expect a freak out about it at some point, however I think he's currently putting all his efforts into the eviction debacle.

 

[DragoonSierra]

I guess no one has told the incels how many women have sex with men that has absolutely nothing to do with love and they aren't even getting paid?

But then they would have to lower their standards and stop trying to find 9 or 10s

 

[East_Clintwood]

I do expect a freak out about it at some point, however I think he's currently putting all his efforts into the eviction debacle.

I'm kind of expecting a sperg out about it alongside a motion to undo thing that was just done™ when he gets BTFO in arbitration. No doubt it'll all be stalker child Hardin's fault for tricking him into it because he didn't understand the agreement he was signing.

 

[ConSluttant]

Greer will probably be moving to Primm to try and convert the casinos that are closing into his dream brothel resort.

To be fair, some of the jacuzzi suite rooms in Primm Valley were really nice. Back in 2005.

 

[Bill Evans 45]

he didn't understand the agreement he was signing

He won't admit that, he'll accuse Hardin of perjury, slander and anything else he can think of, or maybe refuse to meet because he'll claim he has a 'pending' criminal complaint/PPO against him. He's said several times over the last year or two that he's actually on his way to LAPD to file a police report, really and truly he honestly is, any minute now.

 

[Thomas Talus]

Greer will probably be moving to Primm to try and convert the casinos that are closing into his dream brothel resort.

Sounds like we need either 30 Science or three fission batteries and four conductors to make sure the town is properly protected.

 

[East_Clintwood]

He won't admit that

He will if he thinks it will help him undo the thing that was just done. He did the same thing in Fremantle where he signed an arbitration agreement and then claimed that just because he's a paralegal doesn't mean he understood such a complex legal topic as "I agree to arbitrate all my claims" also included his ADA bullshit:

 

[Himedall All-seeing Waifu]

He will if he thinks it will help him undo the thing that was just done. He did the same thing in Fremantle where he signed an arbitration agreement and then claimed that just because he's a paralegal doesn't mean he understood such a complex legal topic as "I agree to arbitrate all my claims" also included his ADA bullshit:
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Ah yes... Greedinger's Credentialism strikes again: Both a qualified professional and too retarded to know better.

What are the chances that Greee's actions affect more than himself and have a more restrictive effect on pro se/crazy litigants across the nation? He DID get up to submission to the Supreme Court. Is there any chance he might have done more harm (or good) for others to cite his actions, or is he just fucking himself over with this specific case and judge, then he can file another case, penalty free, when his feelings are hurt?

 

[Bill Evans 45]

He will if he thinks it will help him undo the thing that was just done

Good call, I forgot all about that.

 

[Napoleon III]

He will if he thinks it will help him undo the thing that was just done. He did the same thing in Fremantle where he signed an arbitration agreement and then claimed that just because he's a paralegal doesn't mean he understood such a complex legal topic as "I agree to arbitrate all my claims" also included his ADA bullshit:

We are getting to the point in Greer legal shenanigans where there is an example of him already having done something stupid and having been punished for it in the past for basically anything he does.

 

[East_Clintwood]

Is there any chance he might have done more harm (or good) for others to cite his actions, or is he just fucking himself over with this specific case and judge, then he can file another case, penalty free, when his feelings are hurt?

I doubt he's having much effect on pro-se retards as a whole, because frankly as bad as Greer's filings are, most pro-se tards aren't any worse. Where he is doing harm is to himself. Sure he can continue to file cases, but all this shit can and will be cited in his future shit, see Mr Hardin citing his "I'm a paralegal who knows how shit works and can represent myself" shtick from the Aguilar case, or even how he cites several of Acerthorn's previous cases when challenging him

Good call, I forgot all about that.

No worries, I only remembered it because I'd reread the Fremantle stuff fairly recently, specifically because of this case going to arbitration.

For anyone who hasn't read it the Fremantle arbitration stuff is an interesting insight into Russ' strategies to get out of it, and if it goes against him in this case I could see some of his arguments making a return. As mentioned above claiming he didn't understand it alongside claiming he was pressured/rushed into it, claiming that it's unfair, trying to do an endrun back to the judge in hopes they'll force the settlement you want etc.

Unfortunately since we have the signed joint statement I don't think we'll see my favourite Greer gambit, straight up lying innocently misspeaking (followed immediately by admitting that he did in fact lie)

 

[Pee Cola]

I only remembered it because I'd reread the Fremantle stuff fairly recently, specifically because of this case going to arbitration.

Greer v Fremantle is a banger of a case. Not just because of its hilarity, but because Fremantle's counsel did a stellar job of compiling almost all of Greee's past legal shenanigans as at the time of his filing against Fremantle.

It's a great memory aid for long-term Greerstorians and a wonderful primer for those who have just discovered God's Favorite Idiot.

 

[Debbie Macomber]

From what little we're allowed to know of the Greer V Moon mediation, Russell made unreasonable demands (probably taking his thread down) causing talks to fall through.

Russ will probably pull the same shit in arbitration with ViaTRON, telling Hardin, "$1M and my job back with my own private office and all the accommodations mentioned, plus you have to pay me my rent, take it or leave it!"

Only for Hardin to inform him that isn't how this works

 

[Prokhor Zakharov]

Russ will probably pull the same shit in arbitration with ViaTRON, telling Hardin, "$1M and my job back with my own private office and all the accommodations mentioned, plus you have to pay me my rent, take it or leave it!"

Probably more like "$1M now, and $250k every year for the rest of my life, that is the absolute minimum for what I have been through!"

 

[RodgerDodger]

From what little we're allowed to know of the Greer V Moon mediation, Russell made unreasonable demands (probably taking his thread down) causing talks to fall through.

Russ will probably pull the same shit in arbitration with ViaTRON, telling Hardin, "$1M and my job back with my own private office and all the accommodations mentioned, plus you have to pay me my rent, take it or leave it!"

Only for Hardin to inform him that isn't how this works

It's Arbitration not Mediation. The Arbitrator is not there to bring the parties together in a settlement. He's there to hear both sides and render a decision. And Greer really has nothing going for his case besides "I believe". You still need the law and the objective facts to be on your side. In many ways moreso than in actual court. Arbitrator don't grade pro se retards on a curve. They don't give a shit what you think is the case or what your beliefs or feelings might be. You think you had a contract? You better have some clear evidence to back it up.

Russell likely thinks its a mediation that will default back to "they offered $20k so gimme". That's likely not how things are going to go.

 

[SargonF00t]

From what little we're allowed to know of the Greer V Moon mediation, Russell made unreasonable demands (probably taking his thread down) causing talks to fall through.

Russ will probably pull the same shit in arbitration with ViaTRON, telling Hardin, "$1M and my job back with my own private office and all the accommodations mentioned, plus you have to pay me my rent, take it or leave it!"

Only for Hardin to inform him that isn't how this works

I'm sure Russell would also want a 19 year old female personal assistant.