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but even their best tanks to to this day are more or less barely hit and the turrets fly off
this is due to their design philosophy more than anything. to keep the overall height down they had to put the ammunition in the base of the hull so if it is hit the turret gets thrown. a low silhouette is better for charging across the open farm fields of the north German plain. presents less of a target to hit. NATO tanks were made to fight from positions hull down so a taller silhouette was acceptable. this also allowed the ammunition to be placed in the turret in a magazine separate from the crew so that in a ammo cook off the crew is spared (providing the magazine was closed)
 
this is due to their design philosophy more than anything. to keep the overall height down they had to put the ammunition in the base of the hull so if it is hit the turret gets thrown. a low silhouette is better for charging across the open farm fields of the north German plain. presents less of a target to hit. NATO tanks were made to fight from positions hull down so a taller silhouette was acceptable. this also allowed the ammunition to be placed in the turret in a magazine separate from the crew so that in a ammo cook off the crew is spared (providing the magazine was closed)
You know what's interesting is the M1E3 next gen Abrams is supposed to use an autoloader with nobody in the turret, just 3 in the center so cook offs are should be nearly totally a non-issue. I hope they pull it off.
 
this is due to their design philosophy more than anything. to keep the overall height down they had to put the ammunition in the base of the hull so if it is hit the turret gets thrown. a low silhouette is better for charging across the open farm fields of the north German plain. presents less of a target to hit. NATO tanks were made to fight from positions hull down so a taller silhouette was acceptable. this also allowed the ammunition to be placed in the turret in a magazine separate from the crew so that in a ammo cook off the crew is spared (providing the magazine was closed)
Also means less armor can cover more surface area, I wouldn't discount the top-of-the-line Soviet tanks at the end of the Cold War versus their NATO counterparts, they just didn't keep up. Interestingly enough after the Cold War the US panicked finding out that Russian reactive armor might've made the best armor-piercing rounds useless and rushed an improved version into service while at the same time the Russians panicked because they found out their reactive armor might not have actually fused properly at the speed said armor-piercing rounds were traveling at and.... weren't able to do much about it for a while because the Soviet Union had collapsed.
 
The average college debt is lower than the median new car price. Somehow car buyers are able to pay off their debts and don't demand the taxpayer pay them off.
Some of us who took out a reasonable amount of student loans and are well on track to have them paid off soon still recognize that they're a burden upon our cash flow, one which has delayed the milestones of our adult lives relative to what our parents had. Some of us can dislike the notion of a taxpayer-funded bailout, and still think a system that is abusive by design should be abolished.

What's everyone's Gas prices since the USA is at war with Iran all start, currant gas prices in TX is at $4 a gallon.
My neck of the woods is still about $5 per gallon.

This is generally true yes. But without the ability to discharge student debt through bankruptcy (like you can do for any other debt) there is no safety valve on the industry public or private. If universities couldn't be paid with dollars on protected loans you'd eventually have tons of people defaulting then discharging it through bankruptcy. In the longterm this would be good because it would let the market act on the issue.

Oh the university is charging insane prices that the lenders can't get their money back on? Guess what happens, lenders stop providing that money and the universities are forced to lower prices to attract more students. Lenders would then have to do risk analysis on the degree programs they are willing to fund.

With these protections none of this happens and it's just up, up, up!
I find an irony in how many people didn't understand this until they took an economics course as part of their general education credit requirements for a degree.
 
The issue really is that these kids shouldn't be wasting their time with AP and honors classes that just function as GPA boosters; they should be taking dual enrollment classes with their community college to knock off whatever classes they can before actually going to college (typically their English and Math credits). These poor kids work their asses off in AP classes and have to take bullshit exams just for most of them to not get any college credits unless they took like one of the 3 classes that actually do which are unnecessarily difficult.
If you decide to take tests as you learn whatever in high school, sure colleges will take it — except they put CR on your transcript instead of your score or its equivalent grade*. Then later on, even if you get your degree, certain jobs or programs will decide they don’t count because “you didn’t prove that you can learn in a classroom setting.” That whatever you used to study must be fake or “like the movies,” even if it’s by professionals and covers the same material, the same information in the same amount of detail, as the teachers themselves. Even if the tests are by the same organization that developed standardized tests like the SATs, and those AP programs themselves.

*Some places ask for your testing transcripts because of this, especially if you don’t have your degree yet.

They don’t want anyone being independent and showing initiative.
 
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Some of us who took out a reasonable amount of student loans and are well on track to have them paid off soon still recognize that they're a burden upon our cash flow, one which has delayed the milestones of our adult lives relative to what our parents had. Some of us can dislike the notion of a taxpayer-funded bailout, and still think a system that is abusive by design should be abolished
:story: “A loan we took out affected our income in the future.” How bizarre.

Shit like this is why I’m leaning towards no loan forgiveness ever.
 
If you decide to take tests as you learn whatever in high school, sure colleges will take it — except they put CR on your transcript instead of your score or its equivalent grade*. Then later on, even if you get your degree, certain jobs or programs will decide they don’t count because “you didn’t prove that you can learn in a classroom setting.” That whatever you used to study must be fake or “like the movies,” even if it’s by professionals and covers the same material, the same information in the same amount of detail, as the teachers themselves. Even if the tests are by the same organization that developed standardized tests like the SATs, and those AP programs themselves.

*Some places ask for your testing transcripts because of this, especially if you don’t have your degree yet.

They don’t want anyone being independent and showing initiative.

This doesn't happen. Or if it does it's very very rare. 99% of potential jobs that require an undergrad aren't going to root through your transcripts and scrutinize them. They just want proof you got X degree on Y date and your GPA (GPA only relevant if its your first job out of college. Many places just will not hire you if you have <3.5. This was true 15 years ago when I left university but I guess it might be different now).

I had tons of CLEP tests from my time in the Army. I didn't have to take any of the general education classes at all when I went. They are GPA neutral pass/fail results.

Jobs also love people with initiative, no idea what you're talking about.

Some of us who took out a reasonable amount of student loans and are well on track to have them paid off soon still recognize that they're a burden upon our cash flow, one which has delayed the milestones of our adult lives relative to what our parents had. Some of us can dislike the notion of a taxpayer-funded bailout, and still think a system that is abusive by design should be abolished.

Remove the government cash injections and student loan protections then let the market do its thing. It's that simple. I don't begrudge anyone who just says 'fuck it' to the whole student loan scam.
 
:story: “A loan we took out affected our income in the future.” How bizarre.
Oh fuck off with that smarmy horseshit.

Can't you "no forgiveness ever" abolitionists meet the "free gibs plz" crowd somewhere in the middle and admit maybe pressuring and manipulating teenagers into taking 5- and 6-figure loans for college educations under dubious promises of future prosperity (sorry, no refunds though!) might have been a bit shitty? Maybe some relief is due, if not 100%? It's not like parents (or schools) teach fiduciary skills anymore.
 
to help illustrate this point, I'd like to remind us of Vietnam. during that war the US lost 8,540 aircraft of all types against a foe that was as equally well equipped with soviet and Chinese AA weaponry. The Vietnamese ground forces were far superior to Iran but that's not part of the conversation.
Yeah pilots in Vietnam had higher casualty rates than the infantry. 10% of all US deaths in that war were Helicopter crewmen.
 
Oh fuck off with that smarmy horseshit.

Can't you "no forgiveness ever" abolitionists meet the "free gibs plz" crowd somewhere in the middle and admit maybe pressuring and manipulating teenagers into taking 5- and 6-figure loans for college educations under dubious promises of future prosperity (sorry, no refunds though!) might have been a bit shitty? Maybe some relief is due, if not 100%? It's not like parents (or schools) teach fiduciary skills anymore.
Well, see, the problem I have with this is that you assume all 17-19 year olds are retards who cannot understand loans, interest rates, etc. Now, if that’s the case then we have a bigger problem in our education system. And most of you are saying this is about the age of consent for literally everything. I mean, marriage, babies, military, smoking, porn, (not legally alcohol in the US but wink, wink).

But this is the moment where you say, no, we were retards and please tell us we can’t do anything legally like sign loans or credit card statements. All right then.
 
Oh fuck off with that smarmy horseshit.

Can't you "no forgiveness ever" abolitionists meet the "free gibs plz" crowd somewhere in the middle and admit maybe pressuring and manipulating teenagers into taking 5- and 6-figure loans for college educations under dubious promises of future prosperity (sorry, no refunds though!) might have been a bit shitty? Maybe some relief is due, if not 100%? It's not like parents (or schools) teach fiduciary skills anymore.
If you meet communists halfway, the outcome is still socialism
 
Oh fuck off with that smarmy horseshit.

Can't you "no forgiveness ever" abolitionists meet the "free gibs plz" crowd somewhere in the middle and admit maybe pressuring and manipulating teenagers into taking 5- and 6-figure loans for college educations under dubious promises of future prosperity (sorry, no refunds though!) might have been a bit shitty? Maybe some relief is due, if not 100%? It's not like parents (or schools) teach fiduciary skills anymore.

IMO the bigger issue is that doing so incentivizes poor behavior and punishes good behavior. In this case we probably just need to bite the bullet and expunge the student loans but only if the system itself is changed. Bailing out all student loans is just bailing out the banks and if you don't change the loan protections or subsidies you just guarantee it happens more and bigger because the market is now anticipating the next bailout.

But it would buy short term votes and our leaders are all clowns. So I suspect that when this eventually happens they'll make the worst decision and just forgive student loans but not actually change anything else.

Fake and gay.
 
Well, see, the problem I have with this is that you assume all 17-19 year olds are retards who cannot understand loans, interest rates, etc. Now, if that’s the case then we have a bigger problem in our education system.
Gosh, you mean an education system which directly (financially) benefits from steering its charges into financial indebtedness to it might not be properly educating those same charges about the ins-and-outs of financial indebtedness, conveniently making it much more likely they'll follow its shitty advice into that same indebtedness?

Why, I never!

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IMO the bigger issue is that doing so incentivizes poor behavior and punishes good behavior. In this case we probably just need to bite the bullet and expunge the student loans but only if the system itself is changed. Bailing out all student loans is just bailing out the banks and if you don't change the loan protections or subsidies you just guarantee it happens more and bigger because the market is now anticipating the next bailout.
Well yeah, you can't just wipe the debts clean and keep on going with no changes. If you wipe them out now, it has to come with sweeping changes to go with it. Get rid of the subsidies and loan protections. Make it regular debt. People who've proven they can handle debt (by having good credit history at that age) shouldn't have any problems. People who haven't shouldn't be given loans.

That'd serve to put downward pressure on tuition too. Right now, universities just always fix their tuition to match the maximum payout a student can get from loans via FAFSA, automatically, because they know every student can get that amount. It's horseshit. Get rid of the guarantee. Make universities start having to actually compete on price and value. That'd be a fun battle to watch just by itself.

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But this is the moment where you say, no, we were retards and please tell us we can’t do anything legally like sign loans or credit card statements. All right then.
I'd like to point out this right here is literally the central thesis of the delightful and sadly underrated film Falling Down w/Michael Douglas. "Do what the system always told you to do. Play by the rules and we'll take care of you. Oh, also, you're fucked now (we lied, lol) and you're the bad guy for noticing. Fuck you."
 
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This doesn't happen. Or if it does it's very very rare. 99% of potential jobs that require an undergrad aren't going to root through your transcripts and scrutinize them. They just want proof you got X degree on Y date and your GPA (GPA only relevant if its your first job out of college. Many places just will not hire you if you have <3.5. This was true 15 years ago when I left university but I guess it might be different now).

I had tons of CLEP tests from my time in the Army. I didn't have to take any of the general education classes at all when I went. They are GPA neutral pass/fail results.

Jobs also love people with initiative, no idea what you're talking about.
It happened to me. I took a lot of CLEPs too, and DSSTs. A few jobs, plus a program despite a 4.0 GPA and high scores on entry/entry-level tests. It might not be true for you 15 years ago, but within the past couple it has been.
 
It happened to me. I took a lot of CLEPs too, and DSSTs. A few jobs, plus a program despite a 4.0 GPA and high scores on entry/entry-level tests. It might not be true for you 15 years ago, but within the past couple it has been.

What industry was this? I can only speak for the tech/software industry but transcripts are never ever required here.
 
What industry was this? I can only speak for the tech/software industry but transcripts are never ever required here.
Two. Jobs are in an industry with an intensive application/hiring process, program is for an industry with an extensive, phase-in training process. And I scored high on industry tests in both, so neither of them can say the knowledge or skill set is fake.
 
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Yeah pilots in Vietnam had higher casualty rates than the infantry. 10% of all US deaths in that war were Helicopter crewmen.
An interesting older movie that's kind of forgotten is Memphis Belle. Talk about almost no chance of survival. Almost nobody at the time did the 25 B-17 tours to get out of it.
 
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I'm happy our paratrooper of circumstance is coming home, he's done more than we could has asked for. America expending all efforts to bring her lost boys back is something I will always appreciate even if no one else does. Also, not to diminish his own efforts, he's a badass for surviving and staying safe until rescue arrived. I hope he gets a medal(and a chocolate bunny) for his efforts and gets to have a relaxing Easter Sunday.
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Speaking of which! Happy Easter you FUCKING retards! Christ is risen. Have a good day. And to our enemies, seeth about it. Hopefully today we turn Iran into the largest, open air, freestanding, glass sculpture. They deserve it.
 
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