Personality Disorder Discussion General (BPD, Narcissists, and more)

[Gaystapo]

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Cluster B personality disorders, such as Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) and Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD), are a common topic of discussion on this forum, especially since many lolcows have them or claim to have them. So here is a thread to discuss these disorders.

Gooners begone, this is not a thread to simp for BPD e-girls.

1. What is a "Personality Disorder"?

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A personality disorder (PD) is a mental disorder characterized by a pervasive maladaptive pattern of behavior, emotions, cognition, and inner experience, deviating from social norms. Diagnosed individuals have long-term patterns that are rigid or unhealthy. It impairs them significantly in interpersonal relationships and various aspects of functioning of the self, such as self-concept, in conjunction with pathological personality traits.

To tell if a personality is disordered:

• The patterns are persistent and not temporary.
• They are inflexible and hard to change.
• They cause distress or impair functioning (relationships, work, etc).

Personality disorders are not just about what someone feels. These disorders are about how they consistently interpret and interact with the world in ways that make it hard for themselves or others.

2. The "Clusters" of Personality Disorders

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There are three categories, or "clusters", of personality disorders: Cluster A, Cluster B, and Cluster C.

2.1 Cluster A: Odd or eccentric

• "PPD": Paranoid personality disorder (distrustful, suspicious)
• "SPD": Schizoid personality disorder (detached, limited emotional expression)
• "STPD": Schizotypal personality disorder (odd beliefs, eccentric behavior)

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2.2 Cluster B: Dramatic or erratic

• "ASPD": Antisocial personality disorder (disregard for others’ rights)
• "BPD": Borderline personality disorder (intense emotions, unstable relationships) ("BPD" is not to be confused with Bipolar Disorder which is abbreviated as "BD")
• "HPD": Histrionic personality disorder (attention-seeking)
• "NPD": Narcissistic personality disorder (grandiosity, need for admiration)

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2.3 Cluster C: Anxious or fearful

• "AVPD": Avoidant personality disorder (extreme social inhibition)
• "DPD": Dependent personality disorder (need to be taken care of)
• "OCPD": Obsessive-compulsive personality disorder (not the same as OCD) (perfectionism, control)

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3. Statistics on Personality Disorders

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Source (Archive)

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• Approximately 9.1% of the U.S. adult population meets criteria for at least one personality disorder.
• Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD) affects an estimated 1.4% of the adult U.S. population.
• Antisocial Personality Disorder (ASPD) has a lifetime prevalence of approximately 3%.
• 85% of BPD patients also meet diagnostic criteria for at least one other mental disorder.
• 75% of individuals with BPD have a comorbid substance use disorder.
• 40% to 60% of people with a PD also have a depressive disorder.
• 70% of BPD patients attempt suicide at least once.
• The suicide completion rate for BPD is between 8% and 10%.
• 80% of individuals with BPD engage in non-suicidal self-injury.
• 60% of BPD patients reach symptomatic remission within 2 years of treatment.
• 85% of BPD patients achieve remission at a 10-year follow-up.
• Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT) reduces suicide attempts by 50% in BPD.
• 20% of psychiatric inpatients have a primary diagnosis of BPD.
• 10% of psychiatric outpatients are diagnosed with BPD.
• 47% of male prison inmates meet criteria for ASPD.

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4. More About Cluster B

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4.1 BPD as "Secondary Psychopathy"
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4.2 "Favorite Person" ("FP")
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4.3 Types of Narcissists
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4.4 "Narcissistic Supply"
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4.5 The BPD-NPD Couple Dynamic
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5. Communities with a Prevalence of Personality Disorders

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5.1 Connection With Hypersexuality
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5.2 Trannies & Polyamory
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5.3 Social Media Fuels Cluster Bs
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6. How to Deal with a Cluster B Individual

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NOTE: YOU CANNOT "FIX" THEM. YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE IT DRINK. THE BEST STRATEGY IS TO NOT ASSOCIATE AT ALL, BUT THESE TIPS ARE FOR INSTANCES WHERE YOU ARE FORCED TO INTERACT, LIKE WITH A COWORKER OR RELATIVE.

6.1 Gray Rocking Technique
"Gray rocking" is a behavioral technique where you act "boring", like a rock. You make yourself as uninteresting and emotionally neutral as possible when interacting with someone who is manipulative, toxic, or seeking a reaction. This technique is commonly used when dealing with highly conflict-driven people or controlling individuals, such as BPD or NPD individuals. It works because some people feed on emotional reactions, arguments, and attention (positive or negative). So if you remove that "reward", then you reduce the reinforcement of their behavior.

What it looks like:

• Giving short, neutral answers ("Okay", "I see", "Maybe")
• Avoiding personal details or opinions
• Keeping your tone flat and unemotional
• Not reacting to provocation, insults, or drama
• Changing the subject or ending conversations quickly

6.2 Boundary Setting
[Work in progress]
(Feel free to recommend more strategies)

(I'm going to archive the links later but I'm mobilefagging rn)

 

[BinaricHate]

I did read a theory somewhere how the reason why the gender ratio for BPD specifically is so skewed towards women is because in men it actually manifests as just regular psychopathy (or sociopathy? I don't remember). Apparently the ratio of BPD having women and men is 3 to 1 while the ratio for psychopathy having women and men is 1 to 3.

 

[Soycast II]

I did read a theory somewhere how the reason why the gender ratio for BPD specifically is so skewed towards women is because in men it actually manifests as just regular psychopathy (or sociopathy? I don't remember). Apparently the ratio of BPD having women and men is 3 to 1 while the ratio for psychopathy having women and men is 1 to 3.

That explains why Keffals shows signs of Psychopathy rather than BPD.

 

[Ryo Ma]

How to Deal with a Personality-Disordered Individual

Before this section, you need a disclaimer that you cannot fix a narcissist and your best option is to leave. Grey rock is for when you have no choice. A narcissist will find other ways to harm you if you just grey rock. You have to get away from them.

 

[bouquetnine]

Before this section, you need a disclaimer that you cannot fix a narcissist and your best option is to leave. Grey rock is for when you have no choice. A narcissist will find other ways to harm you if you just grey rock. You have to get away from them.

To build on this, I dislike grey rocking because it's kicking the can down the road. For some victims surviving is enough. But these people need to be ousted and shunned from society and that often means making them reveal themselves as being dangerous.

If everyone grey rocks tranny savage, that's a lot of people that have to suffer with them. If one person gets them to rage out and demand "it's ma'am" we are one step closer to TTD.

 

[Ryo Ma]

To build on this, I dislike grey rocking because it's kicking the can down the road. For some people that's enough. But these people need to be ousted and shunned from society and that often means making them reveal themselves as being dangerous.

If everyone grey rocks tranny savage, that's a lot of people that have to suffer with them. If one person gets them to rage out and demand "it's ma'am" we are one step closer to TTD.

This is for self preservation as an employee or victim of a narcissist you cant get away from. Obviously getting rid of them entirely is a better option, one that basically no one has.

 

[Bioniclelover]

BPD men behave very similarly to regular psycho/sociopaths (violent, impulsive, often struggling with addictions) hence the confusion between these groups.

 

[Gaystapo]

I added some videos to the OP. This one is especially really great. It criticizes how academia and leftist politics celebrate Cluster B behavior:

(I will archive in the OP but I'm mobilefagging currently)

 

[Paper Machete]

BPD men behave very similarly to regular psycho/sociopaths (violent, impulsive, often struggling with addictions) hence the confusion between these groups.

At this point BPD is just female coded psychopathy to be honest. Personality disorders often bleed into each other and realistically making distinctions can be difficult. There are people heavy on the narcissism and people heavy on the anti-social but they'll have traits of almost all of them. I think a lot of that distinctions between BPD and anti-social is just how we read the female and male behavior of the same disorder respectively.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

A thread already exists. I don't think there's a post in there like OP's, though, which would be helpful.

 

[TayTweets]

A thread already exists. I don't think there's a post in there like OP's, though, which would be helpful.

No one's posted in it for a year.

Now that we know what Cluster B personality disorders are, what the cure? Some say there is no cure, others say it can be dealt with. What's the consensus?

 

[Hypercop]

I find the theory that Isaac Newton was a covert narcissist really fascinating. Basically, the guy had a horrible childhood and was raised by his grandparents, so he developed a coping mechanism that he was a genius scientist that no one understood to survive. However, it turns out that he actually was a genius scientist. Anyway, having his work ridiculed was so painful to Newton that he kept his work in hiding for a long ass time and stopped publicizing it for many years. Narcissism is also why he was famously brutal to anyone who he perceived as getting in his way, most notoriously Leibniz.

I just find it interesting to compare against lolcows who are narcissists yet lack the talent, like LTG. Dale wants you to think that he's a masculine gigachad when in reality he's a turbo nerd who pisses in jugs, but Newton actually was the exact thing that he wanted people to believe he was, and yet that didn't stop Newton from crashing out and losing his mind over shit again and again, to the point of severely harming many people around him. Very interesting stuff

 

[We Are The Witches]

There's plenty of "cisgender" people hooked into polyamory, since I see you're already potentially associating it with transgender folks.

 

[Gaystapo]

There's plenty of "cisgender" people hooked into polyamory, since I see you're already potentially associating it with transgender folks.

I'm aware. But you can't deny trannies are very into polyamory for some reason. That section is also not about tranny polyamorists but trannies AND polyamorists.

 

[We Are The Witches]

I'm aware. But you can't deny trannies are very into polyamory for some reason. That section is also not about tranny polyamorists but trannies AND polyamorists.

Then let's see what your investigative work brings to the table that's new.

Only on that shit, you'd probably exhaust the 64k character limit. Check this out, for a more humorous take:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=it0ItW54-bs

 

[Gaystapo]

Searching for an introverted, reasonably conservative, vegan trans-girl that likes anime and nerdy things, purely monogamous.

But I don't think I'm ever taking hormones (I dislike the idea of taking medication/whatever daily for the rest of my life), if anything and if I feel like it, I'll do some "girlmoding" as they say, and maybe laser/electrolysis for the face, but don't know yet.

@We Are The Witches I'm not surprised that you're a tranny.

Anyway:

Source: https://www.researchgate.net/public...g_An_All-Payer_Electronic_Health_Record_Study

Source: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2016237/

 

[We Are The Witches]

@We Are The Witches I'm not surprised that you're a tranny.

This comment just shows that you're a complete dumbass.

 

[Gaystapo]

Hypothesis: "Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder, which seemingly, is very comorbid with other mental conditions."

Offended Tranny: "Not all troons! I am one of le based ones! I am not like other troons!"

 

[ExsanguinateHorizon]

Any research about nature vs nurture would be interesting too.

 

[ur_mom_lmaoooo]

Is it true that NPD is deep down driven by insecurity and self-loathing, and that their extreme self-centeredness, arrogance, and entitlement is essentially just overcompensation? Or do they actually believe their own hype?