Personality Disorder Discussion General (BPD, Narcissists, and more)

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@Joseph McCarthy Will you add information about golden children? I've looked into it before but I couldn't find a lot of information on it, and I've not seen a lot of shared experiences of golden children either.
 
A friend of a friend is a TEXTBOOK example of histrionic personality disorder (in short: a pathological attention whore). It feels weird being around him because his behavior is extremely predictable. I only read a brief description of this disorder and I think I could probably manipulate him very easily if I wanted to. I'm not that kind of person, though.
 
Thank you for making this thread! I am looking forward to you completing the narcissism chapter. Narcissism sometimes runs in families and I hear it can also infect others socially via narcissism by proxy.

I find the methods of control that narcissists use very interesting to read about as I like to know what to look for! Here is a rough outline of the typical abuse cycle with some examples if anyone else wants (or needs) to know.

IDEALIZATION/ LOVE BOMBING
Constant communication, attention, affection and compliments to secure devotion, make the partner feel seen and adored: Fosters intimacy and dependency to gain control and power.

Mirroring (fabricating identity) - Mimicking opinions, values, emotions and interests: This creates an intense false bond / 'soulmate' connection to gain trust and gather more information.

Data Gathering - They learn everything about a person: Their history, preferences and vulnerabilities so can be used as ammunition later.


DEVALUATION
Once commitment has been acquired the narcissist will then switch to cold indifference, verbal abuse and harsh criticism. The goal at this stage is to make the victim feel worthless, insecure and more dependent, trying harder to please the narcissist.

Triangulation and "choosing" - A third person is brought into the dynamic to create conflict, jealousy or validation: Divide and conquer, this feeds their ego.

Gaslighting and verbal abuse - Shaming, insults and backhanded compliments. Finding faults, using sarcasm, attacking personal insecurities.

Monitoring and surveillance - Constant monitoring, depending on their access this could include: Social surveillance (exploiting friends and family members for information), showing up unannounced, installing hidden GPS trackers or smart devices with microphones to eavesdrop on surroundings and/or spyware on phones and computers to monitor any private messages.

Stonewalling: - Used to devalue and cause emotional distress to punish the partner in order to force them to comply or apologize:
  • Physical withdrawal such as walking away and door slamming.
  • Dismissive gestures like eye rolling, smirking, ignoring your presence.
  • One word answers or dismissive phrases like "shut up" or "go away".
  • The "Silent Treatment" Total refusal to communicate, lasting days/weeks/months.
  • Using a third party to convey messages such as a child.

DISCARD
When the partner no longer provides sufficient "supply" (ego-boosting) or becomes too difficult to control or if they want to "upgrade", the narcissist abruptly ends the relationship.

Cold, abrupt abandonment ("ghosting") without explanation or "slow discard" after a period of devaluation. Usually replaced instantly by an new object of affection ("new supply"), oftentimes they will secure a new partner before leaving to ensure ego needs are still met.

Smear Campaign - Used to control narratives and gain sympathy and "supply", the narcissist may attempt to ruin the victim's reputation through lies, gossip and manipulation in order to isolate the victim from their support network, forcing friends and colleagues to take sides.

Some discards are permanent while others are "temporary" (a tactical move to make the partner insecure and more submissive.)

HOOVERING
Optional next step: If they need something or wish to regain control they will attempt to "suck" the former or distancing partner back in by making them feel loved and missed.
  • Love-bombing: Sudden over-whelming affection, gifts and compliments
  • False apologies: Promising to change, get therapy etc.
  • Triangulation (flying-monkeys) : Using friends and family to send messages, gather information or plead on their behalf.
  • Manufactured crises: Fake illness or emergencies, threatening self-harm
  • "Accidental" contact: "Accidentally" texting, emailing or liking a social media post to see if you respond.
  • Negative hoovering: If being nice doesn't work they may resort to threats, stalking or smearing the victim's reputation to evoke an emotional response.
 
Really interesting, I wonder if it is a coordinated plan of attack or if the narcissist doesn’t intend it but isn’t able to act in a different manner?
Perhaps someone else can shed better light on this, but the narcissist's ultimate goal is to gain power so they feel safe and superior. I imagine that through experience they learn that people are more giving when they like or need you, and this is best achieved via love-bombing. They are inherently self-serving and always know that people may outlive their purpose, which is why they begin gathering the necessary information from the outset.

They are also incapable of remorse and able to justify any action.
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I've found a couple of YouTube channels that have some interesting content about narcissism, by a diagnosed narcissist and a licensed psychologist.

Inside the Mind of a Narcissist: Interview with Jacob Skidmore

The 7 Most Common Female Narcissistic Traits - NPD
 
A friend of a friend is a TEXTBOOK example of histrionic personality disorder (in short: a pathological attention whore). It feels weird being around him because his behavior is extremely predictable. I only read a brief description of this disorder and I think I could probably manipulate him very easily if I wanted to. I'm not that kind of person, though.
No you won't manipulate cluster B if you're not their love/fuck intetest with even more fucked personslity.
You're most likely a garden variety of clinical schizo.
Also, all cluster B scum is self aware 100%.
 
Borderline Personality Disorder is one of the weirdests ones since it seems like it can be maintained with DBT. There seems to be a fifty fifty split where people either believe that there are several misunderstood Borderlines who can work hard to make themselves better for their sake and others, and another half who believes to burn them all and be done with all the lost causes.

Borderline seems to be confused for other disorders often enough that the "good" ones might not even have a personality disorder, but are misdiagnosed C-PTSD, female autist, or other disorder that can show similar traits. It seems to be the diagnosis people attempt to soften the most for whatever reason: being BPD themselves, being narcs in BPD clothing, being mistaken BPD diagnosed, or knowing one of the few who respond well and keep at therapy.

Since BPD can seem to hide well in front of people without knowing that person better, is it possible that a number of Borderlines responsive to treatment are misdiagnosed versions of other mental disorders? A Borderline can commit to one hour of therapy pretending to be something they're not, or say the right answers to their doctor for the sake of personal validation/scared the doctor will hate them if not - sadly, they are good at shooting themselves in the foot. I don't have proof of what I'm saying, just a general "vibes" sense.


Edit: Basically, is there a tangible, qualifiable difference between BPDs who are able to at least climb out of the hole and maintain themselves versus self destructive life ruining attention whores with no regard for anything?
 
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