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Should be a wild four years.

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Then why did gas prices go up over a dollar in 3 days ?
Because the oil companies felt like it.

The strait will not remain closed indefinitely. We've already begun the on-site operations to reopen it ourselves. The Heebs are minesweeping, and we're striking the shoreline missile launchers, which we had been taking stock of, and just dropped multiple 5,000 pound ground penetrators on two days ago. The Iranian destruction will continue until the Strait of Hormuz improves.

This just makes me think you're not familiar with what's going on in the region. What are you using to keep up to date?
Meat boy is kind of a midwit who thinks he’s wiser than everyone else.
 
Aw fuck, I hit most recent post instead of first unread post. Well, guess I'm gonna miss a few weeks' worth of posts. So, like, 7000ish?

Anyway hi boys. How ya been
We sperged about transforming space planes for a bit, best content in the thread in a long time. There was also someone coping about the superiority of his circumcized penis.

Part of it is intentional so that any small victories they achieve look way more impressive. See the entire BRICSimp sphere acting like they downed a chariot of the gods because they managed to cause moderate damage to a single F-35.
Imagine being thrilled about maybe damaging the low end of the Air Force's high-low mix. The plane we built to be the one we could afford to lose.

I mean, he's not exactly wrong. I wouldn't say ran, but to say they have zero influence is sort of stupid. The way you are convulsing in anger and trying to discredit the guy says a lot.

Thankfully the high IQ stuff is mostly a myth, I considered him just some retarded gook a few days ago, and I would have legit ignored him if you had made such a big deal about him being on tucker.
The man believes the 2nd Punic War didn't happen, you should ignore him because he's a dumbass. He's a stupid fucking Chink who thinks because his tiny dicked bugmen just bullshit about their history that everyone else does. He also thinks that the way you beat poverty is just printing more money. Abject bugman dumbassery, anyone who thinks otherwise need to be beaten with the brick until the demon of retardation leaves their body.
 
You didn't post about Ian Carroll at all, and that guy is a fuckign moronic jackass.
because ian is clearly an idiot while this "professor" is tricking people into thinking he's smart

Dugin (who is a huge fucking retard) Dugin has this mythology built up by a certain type of person in the west, when he's pretty much an utter nobody who the west has built up to be some secret mover and shaker in Russia.
dont get me started on that guy
 
but they were not interested in it as we now know from hindsight
In hindsight, which wasn't know in the moment, nor an unreasonable belief give past actions of Saddam.

You want there to be an order from Ariel Sharon to Bush saying "don't invade Iraq" when the Israeli position with the US was precarious due to happenings in the West Bank. This is diplomacy 101, speak gently and in soft suggestions
No, please stop ascribing to me positions I don't hold. Everything you've said up to this point has been "Israel didn't think Iraq was a problem, Israel was concerned about spill over, Israel wanted America to go after Iran," but everything you've provided says otherwise. Again, you have no proof anyone in the Israel government sought to convince Bush not to depose Saddam. Which is exactly what my actual position is:
Anyone who says Israel didn't want Saddam removed from power is an idiot. Iraq was the nuclear bomb-program having enemy of Israel before Iran. One of the most daring missions of the Israel force, and early demonstration of the F-16 jet in real world conditions was carried out against Saddam's Iraq. Iraq was (as far as I know) the first country to fire ballistic missiles at Israeli cities during the Gulf war. Even going from a strictly Iran focused perspective, Israel would have been a strong advocate for the replacement of the Baathist regime with a more pro-western, pro-Israel one to deny a direct land route for Iranians to their proxies in Syria, and Lebanon. People need to stop acting like the Iraq war didn't benefit Israel. People need to stop acting like America wasn't nudged in that direction by Israel.

Edit: fixed a couple small mistakes.

the second statement came minutes after the first, there was literally no time for fallout. people like you focused on statement one and ignored statement two which is why he repeated statement two the next day
Apparently there was because he felt the need to "correct" his words. You can see the looks on people's faces when you say something. Marco having an "oh shit" moment and trying to correct it doesn't change what was said.

very simplistic thinking since iraq balanced out Iran, removing one enemy for another enemy to become more powerful is a problem, especially if the enemy that wins out was the one who was initially stronger
As has been proven Iraq wasn't balancing out anything. Iran was smuggling arms through Iraq. Iran had been winning in the closing stages of the Iran-Iraq war. In all likelihood, Saddam would have been deposed by Iranian back forces at some point in the 2000s, as is reasonable given the rapid cultivation of insurgent groups in the post-invasion years. And taking this a step further if Ariel was concerned about spill over, about Iraq becoming a puppet of Iran, he would have not advised for Bush to forgo an occupation. He would have insisted on it.

Again, diplomacy
"Diplomacy" Oh you are so clearly full of shit its impressive. Nothing, I mean nothing could have been a better diplomatic coup than getting whatever Israel wanted by providing clear evidence that Saddam had no WMDs and curveball was full of shit.

other than what US officials said, what israeli officials said, and what he said to Nadav Eyal
Show it then, because what you have shown says otherwise. "I think Iran is a bigger threat, but if you do invade, depose Saddam, and leave; don't occupy the country" isn't the grand "don't invade" trump card you make it out to be.

Again you have nothing.
 
Almost 13950 pages?

Is this the longest thread on KF?

:thinking:
Might be the longest one going now. Think my thread during the time of the coof was longer, but don't remember for sure.

Got these today.

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Eat shit, you lousy bitch.

Hope everyone in NY State with an income of over $100K/year gets the fuck out and heads to a free state like TX or FL.

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Just one more nail in the coffin of Newsom's 2028 Presidential ambitions. Good!


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Some notable quotes...

"We've decided to share the ocean with Iran. We've given them the bottom half." —Pete Hegseth


"Because we wanted surprise. Who knows better about surprise than Japan? ... Why didn't you tell me about Pearl Harbor?" —President Donald Trump when asked by a Japanese reporter, "Why didn't you tell U.S. allies ... like Japan about the war before attacking Iran?"

An extra, added attraction...
  • Newsom's wildlife bridge to nowhere: Wildlife bridge crossings over highways have gained popularity in recent years. Just how effective these bridges are at saving animals isn't clear, but what is clear is that if a wildlife bridge doesn't actually form a bridge, it's not saving any wildlife. This is the case in California, where another costly boondoggle remains unfinished after years of construction and a ballooning price tag. Begun in 2022, the wildlife bridge crossing over the 101 Freeway was supposed to help animals cross the highway by now. The project was given a $54 million budget and is scheduled for completion in 2025. Today, the total cost has swelled to $92 million and is not expected to be finished until sometime this fall. That's a lot of taxpayer money for what amounts to an environmentalist virtue signal.

That's funny...'they' are busily spending $92 million in the town I live in on a five-mile-long separate bus lane which will carry few, if any passengers.
 
I bet the aliens.gov site is just going to be a list all the stinky immigrants we've deported. They're just hinting at aylmaos to hype everyone up to troll us.
 
. Again, you have no proof anyone in the Israel government sought to convince Bush not to depose Saddam.
you're saying you're not holding a position that there needs to be a direct order but then when ariel sharon says to bush something along the lines of "iran is a bigger concern" you refuse to take that as anything but the gentle dissuasion that it is.

another source says:


Removing Saddam, Sharon said, according to three sources with direct knowledge, will have three main results, all negative. Iraq will implode into warring tribes of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds. You’ll be stuck in an Iraqi quagmire for a decade. And Iran, a far more dangerous player, will be rid of its principal enemy and free to pursue its ambitions of regional hegemony. Bush didn’t agree.


As I noted in the article, the Sharon-Bush conversation was described to me by “three sources with direct knowledge.” I didn’t name them because of space constraints in the print edition, but I can name them here: Danny Ayalon, then Sharon’s foreign policy adviser (and later Israeli ambassador to Washington); Raanan Gissin, a senior communications and policy aide to Sharon; and Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell.

I cited Wikerson before.

I should add that all three of my sources explicitly told me Sharon didn’t recommend any specific action to Bush. He merely set out what he believed would follow an invasion and regime change in Iraq. He made clear that Bush’s decisions were his alone.

, Israel would have been a strong advocate for the replacement of the Baathist regime with a more pro-western, pro-Israel one to deny a direct land route for Iranians to their proxies in Syria, and Lebanon.
Israel is extremely cautious as a rule which is why ariel sharon warned bush about the dangers of nation building in Iraq, something he was concerned about.

Apparently there was because he felt the need to "correct" his words.
journalist asked him a clarifying question, something you would have seen if you read the link

Saddam would have been deposed by Iranian back forces at some point in the 2000s, as is reasonable given the rapid cultivation of insurgent groups in the post-invasion years.
not the case since there would be no opening for iranian sponsored insurgent groups to take over and the blocking of anyone associated with the ba'ath meant that capable people had to go with militias

"Diplomacy" Oh you are so clearly full of shit its impressive. Nothing, I mean nothing could have been a better diplomatic coup than getting whatever Israel wanted by providing clear evidence that Saddam had no WMDs and curveball was full of shit.
how would Israel have benefitted from embarassing their main state sponsor?

Show it then, because what you have shown says otherwise. "I think Iran is a bigger threat, but if you do invade, depose Saddam, and leave; don't occupy the country" isn't the grand "don't invade" trump card you make it out to be.
see response to first point
 
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