Why do you find yourself interested in all of this? - Share your feelings

[The Deep State]

Behind all those profiles named "Disdain for plebs" with a bust of Helios for an avatar, this is the reality. They are fatherless faggots who don't actually believe in anything, and spend all day looking at memes.

And I want to see them suffer.

 

[Haint]

I enjoy watching politifags getting ganged raped by the glowies. Simple as.

 

[Wodanaz]

it's interesting to see how fast things turn to shit when you associate with ethan gunt. There's also the political auyism which is always a nice little distraction, but at this point that has degenerated into little more than making fun of this gay little mexican boy. Nobody can take spicolas seriously anymore.

 

[malleusmaleficarum]

because i get bored while im taking a shit

 

[Certified_Autist]

I’m fascinated by the dissident right, particularly those that rely heavily on antisemitic tropes. It goes back to the time I was in a graduate program in the humanities (I switched to medicine later) and I had a paper published concerning historical revisionism that overlapped with what I would characterize as a conspiracy theory predicated on antisemitism. The journal is probably best described as “mid-tier” in that it practiced the usual professional standards of editorial refereeing (i.e. peer review), but didn’t exert much in the way of influence. This is another way of saying that it gave you a nice bullet to put on your C.V. early in your career, but it isn’t really going to go far in establishing a solid reputation.

One day I go to check my email and I discover a handful of messages from complete strangers going apeshit on me for what I wrote in the aforementioned article. Much to my surprise, my article was discovered by a small community of white nationalists on one of those oldschool ezboard forums and they had gone through every line I had written and annotated it with this running commentary that I found absolutely hilarious: “here the pathology of the Jew-lover is made manifest” and “zionism has clearly emasculated the author” are a couple of comments that stick in my memory.

I decided to reply to the emails and it wasn’t long before I was having a pretty good conversation with a couple of the forum’s participants who had gone out of their way to contact me. It turned out that these guys really wanted to have meaningful conversations about the topic of my article, but didn’t really have any outlet to do so. The more I got to know them, it became apparent to me just how lonely and starved for conversation they actually were.

In the world of higher education my politics are considered conservative and I see myself as being part of a conservative intellectual tradition. In that context, I’m a bit of an outlier and was usually the token “conservative” in various reading groups and seminars and it was there I started to explore how one should engage the far right. Most of my peers and mentors usually adopted a stance that the kind of people who deny the Holocaust or take ‘The Protocols of the Elders of Zion’ seriously should be marginalized by means of social exclusion.

This more or less kickstarts a sort of anthropological interest that would eventually lead me to observe groups like America First. I’m not convinced one should adopt an aggressive policy of exclusion because it doesn’t really address the problem of why people come to adopt these views in the first place or even provide a reasonable path for the same people to abandon said views.

There is this unspoken assumption in progressive politics that a person's beliefs reflects a moral quality about that person; so someone with an honest belief that Jews are trying to dismantle the white race through miscegenation is immoral by virtue of just having that belief and should therefore be subject to social exclusion. I don’t share that assumption and have slowly come to the realization that it actually encourages people with such beliefs to dig their heels in and keep them.

When I watch these types of communities, I typically come away with a greater insight on how these worldviews function epistemically and what sort of needs are being met. When I have personal encounters with people who hold to these kinds of ideas, I like to think I can engage them better on an interpersonal level and get them off script so they can gain some perspective.

If you want to actually understand the dissident right, researching how they react to social ostracization will get you nowhere. Every political/religious/etc group reacts similarly to persecution and social ostracization; they literally and metaphorically close ranks and become more entrenched. That's not a trait specific to the dissident right, that's just human nature.

You are so wrapped up in "how" they react to social ostracization (doubling down on beliefs), you never stop to think "why" they would believe such things to begin with. Your core assumption underlying your entire comment is that you are objectively correct, and you already know more than they do. You aren't trying to understand their worldview since you assume you are correct, you merely see it as a study to find the best tactics to "convert" them to your way of thinking. You also strongly imply they are mentally damaged in some way, for having those views.

If you truly want to understand the dissident right, put aside their reaction to social ostracization, (which they have in common with everyone else) and research their actual beliefs (which is literally the one thing setting them apart from everyone else). Even if you disagree or find it unconvincing, you will at least -actually- understand them.

Your current position of merely seeing them as mental cases to be "cured" is both incredibly condescending, and useless for actually getting perspective on their worldview.

Edit: To summarize, the irony is that you wrote a very professional and academic-sounding comment, with the intent of conveying genuine scientific curiosity, but based the entire thing on some very un-academic assumptions and very unscientific attitudes.

 

[Pump Meat]

More importantly they function like a scapegoat. If all the worlds problems can be attributed to Nazis (or Jews), then the problems can be solved by removing those groups of people. When things fail, it’s not because of poor policies, a lack of grit, not enough popular support, having a bad understanding of economics, etc., it’s because those damn Nazis (or Jews) got in the way.

I think the use goes above and beyond a scapegoat, it acts more like a heuristic that they use to parse out things they don’t like.

For example, take the level of paranoia about “feds” that is common in the dissident right here in America. You really only see it in communities that deal in things like child sexual exploitation or illicit narcotics (i.e. criminality), so where did it arise? In the United States, criticizing the American government is one of the safest activities you can do because political speech is so protected. The simple reality is that you are not going to prison because you shitpost on a forum or because you walked down a street with a tiki torch chanting “Blood and Soil” and “You Will Not Replace Us”.

At first I just thought the persecution complex was just a way to galvanize people and strengthen social bonds, but I think it serves another more important purpose: sifting out contrary data. Think of that Buffalo shooter and the manifesto left behind, it had 20 or so strait pages of fucking image macros taken from /pol/ and regurgitated all the same platitudes of white genocide, this kid was literally one of the dissident right’s own. What were the early reactions from the dissident right? It was “the feds” conducting an operation.

They do this all the time with anything that runs contrary to what they repeat to themselves, it is all part of an elaborate campaign of misinformation by a mythical enemy. They can do this with anything that is presented to them and I think it is exactly that kind of unprincipled skepticism that makes them the target of grifters.

At the end of the day, a guy like Christopher Cantwell is the rule and not the exception. They are a pretty vulnerable population that can be prodded into acting like absolute retards or becoming spree killers that don’t have the constitution to suicide by cop and will spend the rest of their life in confinement.

I’ll give you some perspective, because I deeply tolerate these communities, and align myself with many of their values, for instance I think eugenics may be the answer to pedophilia, specifically.
Truly antisemetic people can be divided into two categories, they either have never met a Jewish person and characterize them by the roaming Hasids that often act exclusionary or outright prejudice towards “others”, or they are people who grew up amongst them and know that a lot of the “unjust hate” is rooted in unfortunate fact. The preferential hiring of Jews in higher income job positions, the tribal xenophobia, the racial supremacy behind closed doors, these are all truly facts. America First is full of mixed race delusional zoomers and brain dead right wingers, you can observe them to realize this.

I think there are way more categories than just two, cultural context alone is going to be determinative of what sort of anti-semitic tropes are going to be used and understood. A cab driver from Yemen who thinks Jews are a satanic race isn’t going to assent to an Albanian trying to convince him that the occult writings of Rene Guenon prove that Jews are a manifestation of the Counter-Initiation.

 

[A-A-AAsssston!]

I clicked on the Nick Fuentes thread. It was funny. I kept reading.

 

[Another Sperg on the Net]

Train wrecks are funny, they are even funnier when they invovle Ethan Ralph

 

[Pizdec]

As someone whose amused by all this white nationalist crap, it's funny to watch Nick go from trying to lead a movement of white people to making America great to denying he searched for cum stains on a couch while taking a page from a wigger on how not to look owned. It's also funny to note how I've been more charmed prese by Murdoch Murdoch, a bunch of faceless white nationalists making a cartoon out of 4ch memes then I have by a white spic who has failed to maintain some semblance of heterosexuality.

 

[Meiwaku]

Addendum: I'm one of the few non schizos who likes getting comfy and listening to the radio beep boops on /pol sometimes. So naturally I will see whatever faggotry they're posting trying to get to my new blip thread. Nick made a few appearances. Sometimes I will deviate from my radiowave noises to read a fed thread if something looks funny.

Nick happened to pop up one day early in the gayest of Trumpisms and Q-Anon faggotry and I looked into him briefly and could tell he was a fag and I lold at him and made some groysoys seethe in a post and then left.

I didn't TRULY follow him until the "Judeau Christian Values" AFPAC disaster because I went to /pol to watch the meltdown in real time. It was delicious.

Any time theres an extremist political meltdown in real time I'm there for my cup of Schadenfreude. The cup runneth over now a days.

 

[♦️ King of Diamonds ♦️]

There are multiple different aspects of it: I have extremely far-right views myself (I don't like any kind of term that uses "conservative"- I will openly and proudly call myself a "Reactionary") and I like reading alot of Counter-Enlightenment literature (Shit like Joseph De Maistre). If I lived in a country where it would be more plausible to implement I would call myself a Monarchist. I am also a firm believer of getting legitimately involved in the legal political process and have done so at a local and regional level before, so I have a general idea of what real "optics" means.

So back when the trolling of Charlie Kirk happened I thought it was mildly amusing and was quite pissed off when Dan Crenshaw told one kid "I will make you regret ever uttering those words" when he asked him about why he supports giving so much money to Israel despite the poverty and other problems currently occurring within the US.

Then the Catboy Kami shit happened and I 100% realized everything and anything Nick Fuentes did was fraudulent and laughable, and knew he was a degenerate homosexual who was pushing Catholicism as a poison-pill. My "poison pill" theory was validated after I did alot more prior research into Nick and how he and the faggot hobbit Beardson took perverse delight in pissing on the ashes of the Alt-Right in the immediate aftermath of Charlottesville- when alot of people were getting doxed, fired, and legally prosecuted for practicing their constitutional right to protest- however abhorrent any views of Neo-Nazism may be. PPP (who is my favorite YouTuber)'s testimony on Nick Fuentes made me realize Nick Fuentes is beyond a lolcow- he's scum-of-the-earth. So for me I'm taking alot of schadenfreude in seeing "America First" implode.

There's also a lesser aspect to my fascination/observation of Nick Fuentes and America first in that when I was in College I joined a "cult of personality" group of dissident radical politics myself (and by "dissident radical politics" I'm not talking about some gay discord server- I mean "let's talk on telegram and private deep-web forums only" kind of dissident). My involvement in that group is something I still regret and I got very lucky because several other people who were active in it went on to get in serious legal trouble not too long after I quit- so if I have any kind of a chance to dissuade some adolescent college kid who's mad at the world and wants to tear down the system from joining a group that will fuck up their life because of legal issues I'll take it.

 

[Sneed S. McSneedensen]

I was in the Nick Fuentes discord server years ago and was disgusted by what I saw. Then I read his Kiwifarms thread and I thought it would be funnier to just be an alog.

Could you please recall what you saw?