What killed the left?
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- 1 Sie 2023
If I had to sum up all of "the left" in a single sentence, it might be "The organised attempt to artificially push organic social systems into inorganic states, for supposed moral reasons". Eg: The top-down dismantling of gender roles; forced integration between ethnic groups; dissolution of religious institutions and religious thinking; recognition-by-decree of self-mutated people as the same as natural-born people of the opposite sex; unsustainably high amounts of food and other aid being sent for free to third-world countries.
The problems with pushing organic systems into inorganic states is that "organic" is in some sense synonymous with "in equilibrium". The social systems of the world are so tremendously complex and multi-faceted that, of course, no artificial state you push it into is going to remain in equilibrium across all axes. Examples: feminist societies introduce a massive negative birth rate bias that causes a demographic self correction. High-trust western societies inviting all of the third world in degrade into severely low-trust societies. African countries in receipt of massive food and aid budgets having their populations swell far beyond what their maximum capacity would otherwise be.
In this light, the question "what killed the left" is like asking about the exact cause of death on the autopsy of someone with extremely harmful habits like a drug addict. The societal contradictions imposed by itself put the writing firmly on the wall that the system will end itself (ironic since this is essentially the same analysis that Marx had about capitalism). Instead of "what killed the left", or even "is the left dead", we should be asking "is the left going to take all of western civilisation out with it?"
An obvious caveat is that, to some extent, human societies have always existed out of equilibrium, both with nature and of themselves. "Organic" and "equilibrium" should be taken as one end of a continuous scale.
The problems with pushing organic systems into inorganic states is that "organic" is in some sense synonymous with "in equilibrium". The social systems of the world are so tremendously complex and multi-faceted that, of course, no artificial state you push it into is going to remain in equilibrium across all axes. Examples: feminist societies introduce a massive negative birth rate bias that causes a demographic self correction. High-trust western societies inviting all of the third world in degrade into severely low-trust societies. African countries in receipt of massive food and aid budgets having their populations swell far beyond what their maximum capacity would otherwise be.
In this light, the question "what killed the left" is like asking about the exact cause of death on the autopsy of someone with extremely harmful habits like a drug addict. The societal contradictions imposed by itself put the writing firmly on the wall that the system will end itself (ironic since this is essentially the same analysis that Marx had about capitalism). Instead of "what killed the left", or even "is the left dead", we should be asking "is the left going to take all of western civilisation out with it?"
An obvious caveat is that, to some extent, human societies have always existed out of equilibrium, both with nature and of themselves. "Organic" and "equilibrium" should be taken as one end of a continuous scale.
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- 14 Lip 2024
To answer it shortly, glowies killed it.
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- 19 Gru 2019
The Dems winning the house in the midterm elections was practically guaranteed when they underperformed Trump in 2024. How you go from that simple fact to the rest of this blackpilled speculation is beyond me though, Trump and the non-cucked portion of the GOP are actually accomplishing things right now.
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- 4 Mar 2020
The last gasp of the class-based working-class left was Occupy Wall St and they were rapidly dismantled after that. The Bernie bros who wanted to talk about wealth/income inequality and insane excesses of the rich were sidelined. Business interests with their fingers in media started shoveling megaphone to anyone on the left who WASN'T talking about class and wealth.
Now the left is way, way up its own ass with race and gender shit. From the perspective of the ruling class, the left has been fully neutralized with IDpol garbage. Divide and conquer, all the way.
Now the left is way, way up its own ass with race and gender shit. From the perspective of the ruling class, the left has been fully neutralized with IDpol garbage. Divide and conquer, all the way.
Angry Alt Right Nerd
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- 18 Sty 2022
The worthless IDpol grifters and SJWs.
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- 16 Maj 2019
Don't even have to get into the identity politics, I can stop you right here. There was NO such possibility of this coming from the left in 2010.
Obama, the so-called most progressive President ever, was completely captured by corporate interests and the market cheerleaders. He was funded and pushed by them. His campaign was staffed by Ivy Leaguers, technocrats, business executives, and Big Data wizards. Remember, Obama was the one who signed off on TARP in 2009, but he had zero idea how to fix or regulate things.
Leftist economics was essentially dead in 2010. Their economic intellectuals were completely stumped by the Great Recession. Their political vanguards, Clintons and Obama, were 100% corporatists. Union membership and power had collapsed (other than government unions), removing the main reason leftist power-seekers gave labor any notice. The left failed to deliver on jobs, they failed to predict the Great Recession or to diagnose it afterwards, and they failed to negotiate any new labor benefits in the service economy or the burgeoning information economy.
They still generally liked regulation, because every modern leftist wants more centralized power. But they were never going to do something that fundamentally hurt their rich, powerful corporate allies. Go review any Democratic regulation pushed in the Obama era, you'll find it amounts to a small inconvenience for big corporations, and an absolutely crushing burden on small businesses. 2010-era leftist regulation was all about wiping out competition for their corporate sponsors.
So before we start talking about the most visible signs of the left going nuts, it's important to remember they were starting from a position of abject ideological failure. There wasn't a bright big idea being hidden by "the race stuff"; it was late-stage liberalism going through slow motion collapse.
I could go into the Tea Party, the false racism claims that alienated it from the left, Occupy Wall Street, the progressive stack that alienated it from the grassroots left, etc. But it doesn't matter. The left's leaders were not on board with the corporate or banking reforms either movement pushed. The best they gave were individual flavors for the "rebels" to LARP with: Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders, BLM, all dead ends realistically and politically.
The usual conclusion is that identity politics killed the left. But no one admits why they were able to. Identity politics and the progressive stack moved in to take the place of economics in leftist attention because the left failed everywhere else. It's trendy to blame "cultural Marxists" for this shift, but that's giving them too much credit. A party has to run on something, and when their positions on foreign policy, taxation, domestic infrastructure, jobs, and governing competence are all dead... they go with whatever they can market.
There was only a space of about 3-4 years, between OWS and Trump, where the left was percolating the progressive lunacy but trying to temper it with the last of liberalism's institutional credibility. But Trump knocked all that loose, and the libs joined the progs in going full retard.
The usual conclusion is that identity politics killed the left. But no one admits why they were able to. Identity politics and the progressive stack moved in to take the place of economics in leftist attention because the left failed everywhere else. It's trendy to blame "cultural Marxists" for this shift, but that's giving them too much credit. A party has to run on something, and when their positions on foreign policy, taxation, domestic infrastructure, jobs, and governing competence are all dead... they go with whatever they can market.
There was only a space of about 3-4 years, between OWS and Trump, where the left was percolating the progressive lunacy but trying to temper it with the last of liberalism's institutional credibility. But Trump knocked all that loose, and the libs joined the progs in going full retard.
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- 12 Gru 2022
The Left lost April 9, 1865 when the Democrats surrendered to the union. That was the high point. It's all been down hill from there.
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True & Honest Fan
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- 28 Cze 2021
I'm not saying things aren't being accomplished, but fighting liberalism politically is a sisyphean task. By all means, do damage control, but that's all it will ever amount to unless the Democrat party is banned from politics like the Nazi party was in Germany.
Gianfranco Pizzaballa
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- 8 Kwi 2025
The Left has historically provided some support for people who need to work for a living. Preventing 14 year old kids from being forced to drop out of school to earn money for the family. They seem to have switched to forcing the populace into making expensive changes (health insurance, EV, gas stoves and furnaces, car seats) or personal intrusion such as vaccine and smart ID. And they have been arrogant and disrespectful about it. It's difficult to support a party that claims to be "educated" but resorts to name calling, cancelling, and general poopy pants emoting rather than trying to find some common ground or making progress on more neutral issues such as housing, jobs, health care.
Moopy
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- 20 Maj 2024
In short nothing. Modern leftism is still the culturally dominate ideology and likely will be for a very long time unless something insane happens.
Almost every TV show, movie, game, and product in general you consume is made by majority leftist who continue to push and control media and public perception with practically no obstruction.
Almost every TV show, movie, game, and product in general you consume is made by majority leftist who continue to push and control media and public perception with practically no obstruction.
MrJokerRager
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- 2 Lis 2019
Basic Blond Boy
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- 16 Gru 2022
The modern left was dead from the beginning when Clinton was chosen to helm the throne. That bumpkin, and especially his wife, was arguably the biggest tumor to infect the left going forward. His cheating scandal worked in both destroying the Dems’ image and getting people more accustomed to promiscuity, leading to Trump being able to win even with his controversial past. The deals made with Hillary further killed the party as they promised that unelectable foid a presidency. When she obviously couldn’t be likable enough to win, they had to rig the entire process, killing off any ambitious young person’s ability to evolve the party.
The Dems are now culturally out of date, clinging to a power structure from the 90s. They have no icons. Clinton killed off the best and brightest in her political ambitions, and Bernie’s run split the party too hard for an Obummer successor to take the place. If anything, 08 really was the death spiral as Obummer sneaking in when Hillary’s plan went up in flames meant the Dems had another 8 years of no talent growth.
From there, it was as @Harvey Danger stated. They no room to grow out anywhere. Maybe Progressives could have done something, but the Dems killed them off in 2016 and 2020 in favor of more race/sex politics. Now Trump has the Tulsis, RFKs and even occasionally Bernies when the Dems could have had their wins.
Going forward, the party is now a three-way split mess of Obummer Nostalgics, SJW crazies, and depressed progressives. They will have to somehow unite the sides or at least force them together to win, which I don’t see them doing as none of their current talent can read a room.
The Dems are now culturally out of date, clinging to a power structure from the 90s. They have no icons. Clinton killed off the best and brightest in her political ambitions, and Bernie’s run split the party too hard for an Obummer successor to take the place. If anything, 08 really was the death spiral as Obummer sneaking in when Hillary’s plan went up in flames meant the Dems had another 8 years of no talent growth.
From there, it was as @Harvey Danger stated. They no room to grow out anywhere. Maybe Progressives could have done something, but the Dems killed them off in 2016 and 2020 in favor of more race/sex politics. Now Trump has the Tulsis, RFKs and even occasionally Bernies when the Dems could have had their wins.
Going forward, the party is now a three-way split mess of Obummer Nostalgics, SJW crazies, and depressed progressives. They will have to somehow unite the sides or at least force them together to win, which I don’t see them doing as none of their current talent can read a room.
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- 2 Kwi 2019
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The left was in trouble the moment it stopped advocating for the so called little man. Historically especially with social Democrats (but also with a lot of branches of socialism and communism) the focus was on the worker. And said worker was actually encouraged to work and supposed to work. That's a big difference to today's participation trophy and freeloading left wing.
Even the left leaning workers don't like freeloading. The welfare state wasn't there to provide lifelong money with no effort, it was there to secure the worker by providing (limited time) unemployment, pensions, health insurance... Given what happened in the industrial revolution, those were valid concerns.
The modern left of minority groups just can't have the same appeal.
Even the left leaning workers don't like freeloading. The welfare state wasn't there to provide lifelong money with no effort, it was there to secure the worker by providing (limited time) unemployment, pensions, health insurance... Given what happened in the industrial revolution, those were valid concerns.
The modern left of minority groups just can't have the same appeal.
Luke Heaven 13!
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- 31 Mar 2025
In my view, there were three major factors that killed the American Left:
Pursuit of Law: After the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam, the Democratic Party realized two things. 1.) FDR works better as a concept than a person which leads to 2.) In order to shape the country in their image they needed to change the legal infrastructure. So all Democrats that came out of the 60s to 80s era were all lawyers. It is not a coincidence that the last Democratic presidential nominee to not have a law degree was Jimmy Carter. While this served to hold their power for quite a bit, the Internet age has weakened their grasp. Weakened to the point where a cult of personality like Trump or Bernie in 2016 threatens their power.
Economics masked as “Free Market”: Bill Clinton ushered in the death of American manufacturing with NAFTA and China in the WTO. This created a ripple effect across all industries where most labor and production was transported abroad at cheaper costs. Then America was sold on Change and the future of the country: the tech industry. Change never came and the tech industry is now importing that same cheap labor to America for maximum profits.
Obsession with Power: The Democratic Party views the country as a voting block. This means speaking platitudes and making empty promises to a voter class that will help them win. With Clinton it was the union workers who were concerned about losing their jobs. Obama promised change to anti-war activists, environmentalists, immigrants, gun control activists. He also promised change to those worried about healthcare and housing. This group ranged from early 20s to late 60s. Hillary was obsessed with being president and Biden was a puppet of a desperate party who looked to gain control through any means. The next Democratic presidential nominee is going to start running on pardoning student loan debt as that is a major voting block.
All of this ran counter to the American Left principles: anti-war, free speech, the American worker, workers unions, anti-government. Now, these principles are dead among the New American Left. What’s left are Twitch streamers praising communism. College activists sperging out over Charlie Kirk talking at their college. Zombified consumers who wonder where the unions went while they argue with Achmed on Amazon Help about why their two day delivery took three days. Guinea pigs on SSRIs paid by Medicaid while they argue about the cost of healthcare.
The American Left are a relic that is hated by the New American Left for even that relic was guilty of so much sin.
Pursuit of Law: After the Civil Rights Movement and Vietnam, the Democratic Party realized two things. 1.) FDR works better as a concept than a person which leads to 2.) In order to shape the country in their image they needed to change the legal infrastructure. So all Democrats that came out of the 60s to 80s era were all lawyers. It is not a coincidence that the last Democratic presidential nominee to not have a law degree was Jimmy Carter. While this served to hold their power for quite a bit, the Internet age has weakened their grasp. Weakened to the point where a cult of personality like Trump or Bernie in 2016 threatens their power.
Economics masked as “Free Market”: Bill Clinton ushered in the death of American manufacturing with NAFTA and China in the WTO. This created a ripple effect across all industries where most labor and production was transported abroad at cheaper costs. Then America was sold on Change and the future of the country: the tech industry. Change never came and the tech industry is now importing that same cheap labor to America for maximum profits.
Obsession with Power: The Democratic Party views the country as a voting block. This means speaking platitudes and making empty promises to a voter class that will help them win. With Clinton it was the union workers who were concerned about losing their jobs. Obama promised change to anti-war activists, environmentalists, immigrants, gun control activists. He also promised change to those worried about healthcare and housing. This group ranged from early 20s to late 60s. Hillary was obsessed with being president and Biden was a puppet of a desperate party who looked to gain control through any means. The next Democratic presidential nominee is going to start running on pardoning student loan debt as that is a major voting block.
All of this ran counter to the American Left principles: anti-war, free speech, the American worker, workers unions, anti-government. Now, these principles are dead among the New American Left. What’s left are Twitch streamers praising communism. College activists sperging out over Charlie Kirk talking at their college. Zombified consumers who wonder where the unions went while they argue with Achmed on Amazon Help about why their two day delivery took three days. Guinea pigs on SSRIs paid by Medicaid while they argue about the cost of healthcare.
The American Left are a relic that is hated by the New American Left for even that relic was guilty of so much sin.
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- 28 Sie 2019
Just dropping in to report that it's happened again: That weird phenomenon where people on the left just assume you agree with them. Someone waiting in line with me just randomly started talking about how terrible things are under Trump.
I don't have blue hair. I intentionally dress as forgettable as possible, so why assume I'm not just anti-Trump, but so anti-Trump that this is appropriate stranger-discussion?
I feel like this behavior is a factor, honestly, and I don't think it's social awkwardness. I think it's an intentional behavior (maybe not done consciously) to set the standards of "normal" and if you agree with them it's a freeing feeling, but if you don't, then you end up questioning how common these views actually are, or feeling uncomfortable due to the rules of social propriety.
I don't have blue hair. I intentionally dress as forgettable as possible, so why assume I'm not just anti-Trump, but so anti-Trump that this is appropriate stranger-discussion?
I feel like this behavior is a factor, honestly, and I don't think it's social awkwardness. I think it's an intentional behavior (maybe not done consciously) to set the standards of "normal" and if you agree with them it's a freeing feeling, but if you don't, then you end up questioning how common these views actually are, or feeling uncomfortable due to the rules of social propriety.
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- 31 Sty 2021
Purity tests and identity politics.
It’s never enough on the left.
It’s never enough on the left.
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- 1 Mar 2020
Bill and Hillary Clinton are not "left". They are centrist neoliberals. Most Dems are. "Left" in American politics means AOC, Bernie, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, et cetera. Only a tiny portion of the US Congress is actually left-wing.
The American Left, by and large, is not its own political bloc with a realistic program in the first place. It is, functionally, a bunch of brainwashed attack dogs for center-neoliberal "Third Way" Clintonite types. The Left organizes and marches for various stupid identity politics causes, and it always ends up getting another bland Clintonite neoliberal elected, who then proceeds to act upon absolutely none of the progressive talking points that they campaigned on.
The Democratic Party does not, and never has, represented the view of Antifa, Black Lives Matter, Code Pink, or any of the rest of the left-wing protest groups that are the most visible faces of the Left in the US. The Democrats are a party of big business, deregulation for giant multinational corporations, and war hawk behavior just like the Republicans are. The real shot-callers are the donor class of billionaire philanthropaths who will always push for more neoliberalism, more dismantlement of labor protections, and more thoroughly greased international capital flows, social stability and upward mobility be damned.
The Old American Left was, as @Luke Heaven 13! said, pro-free-speech, anti-war, anti-globalization, pro-worker's-rights, and so on. The New American Left has had their politics completely dematerialized to the extent that their biggest talking points are things like race and gender representation in fictional media. The only people who give a shit about worker's rights and anti-globalization right now in the US are right-wing populists rallying around the MAGA movement's tariffs and other protectionist measures.