What killed the left?

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Sweetpeaa

Sweetpeaa

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My thoughts. I would say the momentum was there in about 2010 for some positive changes to be made. The recession occured at the end of 2008 and was global. By 2010 people were really beginning to discuss regulation of industry and banking so this crisis could be avoided in the future. Tolerance for corruption was at an all time low and people wanted accountability. The theme at this time for the left was government accountability and industry accountability.

But they lost the plot. Within just a few short years the narrative was centered around race, cracking down on white privilege, encouraging open borders and gender identity. It was a major let down to see this occur. Really fucking disappointing.

Not focusing on improving working conditions and cracking down on corruption is what absolutely killed the left in the majority of Anglophone countries. Now we have an ugly housing bubble going unabated and stagnant wages because all everyone on the left wanted to focus on by the mid 2010's was race. That's probably how Donald Trump was elected in the first time in the U.S. workers were so fed up with no one hearing their voices and tired of mass migration.

It's sad.
 
What killed the left in my opinion was the past election and presidency. Even at the height of the Biden admin things still weren't amazing by any means. The general feeling I get is Americans elected Biden for two things. 1: He's not Trump and 2: He was the VP during the "good times" that was the Obama presidency. Many current day voters have a strong positive association with Obama because they were young during those years and have nostalgia for all things that era. They associate the cartoons they watched and the prosperity of the time (not knowing what's going on in the world) with Obama. Now, it was a concerted effort of the left to portray Obama as the second coming, look up "Obama halo" or "Holy Obama" on google and you'll see Obama purposefully being depicted as or associated with holiness. But the issues he caused and the failures of his policies are often overlooked for the good parts. And who was VP? Biden. But after 4 years of embarrassment and the gutting that was the debates, Biden stepped down post-party endorsement and handed the torch to Kamala who, among other things, was hardly liked by as many people as Biden was. I believe it was Richard Spencer who said having Biden in office was like "Grampy Biden making you pancakes" which while being stupid as hell captures the mindset of the average Biden voter.

This, combined with the left's refusal to crack down on illegal immigration and Transgender endorsement no matter the issue, drove a lot of center-left voters to the right. Many people who were left minded wanted leftist policy but felt burned by constant identity politics and illegals causing issues in every walk of American life. A mixture of these factors on top of Kamala promising to do things she could already do as VP and having an unsavory elitist personality made many just either not vote or vote Trump. Since then the left has remained headless.

This is also a world wide trend. From Europe to Japan the conservatives are getting into power as leftist policy falters and their ratings decline. The average person doesn't like illegals or Trans people, at the very least they don't care, and making your party tied to that is a mistake they made.
 
Nothing, they're still culturally dominant and politically relevant, this is a mere road bump for liberals. Republicans are already handing Democrats the midterms, and possibly the presidency. Media is just as woke as ever and all the evils of leftism are chugging along unabated.

Nothing short of Civil War II would change any of that, and there's no way conservatives would win that war because liberals would team up with Mexicans and Canadians, not to mention it's just virtually impossible for such a war to even occur in the first place in modernity.
 
The left wing in America never really took off in my own honest opinion, and it will never take off. The American left wing is mostly pink hairs and purple hairs screaming what you say. They come across as fighting for HR lady interests instead of fighting for workers. You cannot support most generous welfare states and let in countless migrants too. There's no way a government could handle that and support a generous welfare state. And I'm going to be very honest, many Americans do not want radical changes to their healthcare no matter how positively it's polled. Sure they agree something should change, but the second you bring taxes going up that makes many say "fuck this, i'm not supporting this." and there's no unified vision on the healthcare policy. The obamacare rollout was pretty fucking bad and lost Democrats the house for a very long time. And if I ask someone about far left in the US, they reasonably think "Isn't that a bunch of pink haired men and women screeching at me for saying the wrong pronouns?" Tranny fatigue does not help the left's case with how many defended troons in female sports, and the whole Loudoun county incident with the bathrooms. Is the American left going to learn it's lesson? No. From what I see, they are still doubling down and spending millions of dollars on learning how to talk to men. They are even suggesting Buttigieg, Newsom, and Crockett tickets. What a disaster.

I don't know what's really happening in Asian countries or European nations to make a comment on them so take my opinions with a grain of salt. But I assume for the latter, it was the refugee crisis that really radicalized people against the left wing parties who were letting migrants in.
 
the left of 30 years ago has gotten everything they want and more. now they are in the pockets of business interests they'd have performatively railed against, to import infinite browns to replace the natives in the name of attaining an egalitarian utopia.
 
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For real though, it was identity politics.
After Obama's 1st win, they really believed that America is changing for good.
After his 2nd win, they were full on board with the "diversity is out strength" agenda which was made stronger when BLM was created in 2013 and almost immediately attached itself to the Western left.

They really wanted to oppose right who had a strong white Christian male appeal so they chose to align themselves with everything that opposed that - fags, fedora atheists, Muslims and non-whites.
The thing that caught them off guard was that all these groups, at least the sections of them that were vocal, were insane highly intolerant authoritarian bigots who are off putting to the majority of humanity.
By the time the old guard realized this, their were full of these lunatics and it was impossible to get rid of them.

Now, they really have nobody that appeals to whites, to the working class and to anybody normal.
 
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But they lost the plot. Within just a few short years the narrative was centered around race, cracking down on white privilege, encouraging open borders and gender identity. It was a major let down to see this occur. Really fucking disappointing.
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This was on purpose.

With the Obama and Hillary campaigns, we could say that Obama promised the moon and beyond in terms of change (literally);

and then, when in power- simply continued Bush Jr's policies.

We can explore how this went in two ways, but really- this is peak neoliberalism.

How does neoliberalism function though? You move away from actual socialist or left-wing or progressive policies (healthcare, financial reform, being anti-war, investing in the middle and lower class, state control, or whatever you think works)

and instead you gear things towards shitlib policies. Things which 'keep people on your team' while doing nothing substantial. The woke shit.

With Bernie Sanders and Hillary's campaigns in 2016, you can see the culmination of this with Clinton attacking Sanders as a racist, as a sexist, coining the term 'Bernie bros' etc.

I'm not even a socialist necessarily, but this was foul to see- and it was entirely on purpose. The institutional 'left' legit did a psy-op on people, and they were willing participants because of 'team' politics.

Its also how they lost most actual left wing voters, who embraced Trump, being non-political, etc.

What is the second way to look at this?

This effectively eliminated the chance of left wing reform from within parties, and with the internet and fragmentation of politics, more and more of the batshit left-wing ideologies and views gained traction. An entire generation of younger millennials and zoomers grew up in this vat of ideas, and whereas most of the actual stupid or destructive ideas would get cycled out by people having an actual job and understanding how the economy functions-

unfortunately, we understand how the economy functions- parasitically.

So many young people are out of work, out of jobs, and the economy has never worked for us. I don't think communism works, and that its increadibly dumb- but this is what makes it out of twitter and tiktok ecosystems, and theres no real world regulation through people actually experiencing life, so people just embrace fully theoretical positions instead of practical ones.

So were in a place where reform doesnt work, the institutional left has no ambition or willingness to claw back the least of the neo-liberal policies;

we have retards gobbling up racial politics as a distraction,

and all thats left outside of the institutions is edgelord retard philosophies like communism-

so the left is effectively dead for enacting change.

Id love to have something which worked to protect people from the gig-economy. Maybe we could regulate Amazon? Id love to have regulations preventing the industry from relying entirely upon contractual labor, and actually hiring people. But we can't have even those practical things, for example. Instead we get people screaming about communism and the government giving a million bucks to gay demonic drag queens.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
"Death of the Liberal Class" by Chris Hedges is a good primer.

Written 2010 and America centric but already quite dated since everything is on a pandemic accelerated timetable. What he explains has happened in all anglo countries with euro countries on their way. He also resides in Canada now and has very few friends because of what he's pointed out.
 
I notice they are dead silent about race lately and black lives matter has dissolved. It's actually eerie. It was always a diversion.
 
Obama. He was supposed to be the victory for the left with nigger and faggot rights. But because that would have invalidated the left's reason to existence then they just doubled down on everything and invented and entire bible how nothing except total societal control would make up for the sins of the past. This was pushed hard at Academia, which was then pushed hard at entertainment, which caused pretty much everyone not on Koolaid to despise the left.
 
I gotta say I don't know who did what. To be totally honest I preferred the Democratic approach, and I was OK with some steps taken for inclusion of minorities, and then something happened that sent it into virtual overdrive and to the point it was the reverse of Affirmative Action and was clearly benefiting minorities to the point of overt discrimination.

The strange thing is, I know a lot of lefties and not a single one - not a single one - supported it because we all thought it was over the top. The fiasco at the Democratic Convention (where they were deciding they needed a board member to be neutral gender to balance the board), finally proved that the party had been highjacked to get policies passed the average lefty was not in support of. And the trans athletes not being stomped out was remarkable to watch because again, I didn't know a single lefty that supported a man on a woman's podium.

I sometimes watch a bit of television and although blacks and other races make up a minority of America, they take 80% of the positions in advertising acting roles - you'd think the ads were for another country. And then the Academy Awards of course altered their nomination criteria to HAVE to include certain races and then also recognized gender neutrality - I mean wow, wtf?

Even TV shows showing early British, European or American life have all these colored characters cast into them that never really ever existed in those time periods. White is the new "Token". and yeah, I think Trump is a lunatic and is doing a lot of damage, but I am glad he is undoing a lot of this other shit, and I'll never understand how the Democratic Party went this over the top to begin with.

I dislike both parties because they each take on a niche hate by the population and use that as the sounding horn for voters and it is the guise they use to pass the legislation they really want that they never campaigned on. Both parties need a re-build, but from where I stand, I need the Democratic party to shut the fuck up about shit that has nothing to do with my problems.

I hate both parties intensely for creating a voting environment where you are essentially voting for the other party as a means to disagree with the other party, but the party you are voting for also has a bunch of shit you hate, but not as much as what you hate about the other party.

I don't think democrats exactly lost their way, I would rather frame it that the party got highjacked and we went along with it until we couldn't stomach it anymore and I don't see them returning to the Oval Office anytime soon - regardless of the damage Trump does because the Democratic Party needs to be punished in the voting booth for the ridiculous stances it took on stuff that was lunacy, and delegitimizing the good positions we had by terrible association.
 
2010's Left
Free speech and non censorship of the internet
Anti war and anti interventionism
Nuclear non proliferation and phase down
Anti mass migration
Environmental rationalism
General non violence
Color blindness

TL.DR live and let live within guidelines with a splash of political rationalism

2020's Left
Late term abortions on demand
Sex changes for children
War and endless spending on war
Environmental radicalism
Racism and Female Privilege
Political Violence
Civil rights violations and legal weaponization
Anti gun radicalism
Mass migration

TL.DR extremist left wing nuts

In simple terms the left where once an adult in the room political faction, imperfect but functional. The left fell to pieces and Maga progressively adopted policy sanity replaced the neo cons and came to power. The left failed to deliver and center right of Donald Trump will not deliver because the problem is the electorate suck.
 
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My thoughts.
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Your entire framing has been "2010s leftism was a noble project that simply lost the plot", when the real failure has been in the premise all along
The left didn't abandon
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government accountability and industry accountability
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instead the left followed them to their logical conclusion.
If your ethics say it's legitimate to coerce others for the sake of economic equality, why not for demographic balance? If you're allowed to violate consent to regulate wages or capital, why not regulate language or hiring practices?
The only difference between a diversity quota and a minimum wage is the tribe that's being favored. What I'm saying here isn't that the left is corrupt, it's that it has been coherent

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It's sad.
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You're basically mourning a version of the left that never existed, a version of the left that could wield state violence surgically, humanely, and in just the right dose. But the state isn't some tool that can get misused, it's the core problem. The moment you endorse "holding industry accountable" by force, you've already legitimized coercion. Race essentialism, open-borders economic sabotage, identitarian looting systems, all of these things that followed were just a matter of time.
What's really sad is that millions of people believed there ever was a right way to enslave other people
 
nothing. they aren't dead.
they might be in some disarray at the moment and the future might be a bit uncertain, but they're not going anywhere.
do not get complacent. do not rest on your (imaginary) laurels as if you had already triumphed. the war is far from over.
 
The Democratic Party will recover relatively quickly as it always does, although some stinkditch will remain, hidden. We will not have 20 years of "MAGA" rule, and even 8 in a row could be unlikely.

"The left" got wrecked by identity politics during Occupy Wall Street, and by party corruption and some more identity politics when Bernie lost to Clinton. They were sidelined again in 2020, and were forced to watch the incumbent train wreck in 2024. How will they be embarrassed yet again in 2028? Probably by being surgically spanked by the Joos. But I don't know if the current anger levels over Palestine will persist that long. I'm sure the DNC will think of something.
 
Trannies, immigration, and the economy

Once normies realized "hey, Biden's president and now shit's more expensive, men are demanding to be nude around our children, and my small town is now majority brown" it was over because those are tangible negative changes
 
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