Warhammer 40k

[regalterry]

That is how you got fans going "Did you know a single Hive World has more people than the Tau Empire?" ignoring that since that early point, the Tau met, and conquered, multiple hives, Sa'cea alone got a population of Trillions.

Which makes no sense at all.

Imagine taking over planets where the population numbers hundreds of billions, of whom most are religious fanatics that would make ISIS members look like logical, civilized and moderate advocates of Islam.

The Tau would need to spend literal centuries, and far more manpower their whole empire has, collectively, to keep the religious insurgency on a single Imperial hive from spilling over.

The casualties they'd sustain would be crippling.

Naturally, GW writers are stupid fucks that have no idea how a society as deeply, fanatically religious as the Imperium, actually functions.

 

[p1138]

Which makes no sense at all.

Imagine taking over planets where the population numbers hundreds of billions, of whom most are religious fanatics that would make ISIS members look like logical, civilized and moderate advocates of Islam.

The Tau would need to spend literal centuries, and far more manpower their whole empire has, collectively, to keep the religious insurgency on a single Imperial hive from spilling over.

The casualties they'd sustain would be crippling.

Naturally, GW writers are stupid fucks that have no idea how a society as deeply, fanatically religious as the Imperium, actually functions.

It's honestly even simpler than that. Most GW writers just don't understand numbers. This is how you get wars for entire planets and systems with less bodies involved than individual battles in WW1 and WW2. Most shooting engagements taking place at 10-20 meters. Bombardments from a whole kilometer away. The entirety of an enemy force digging in at one location. Shit like that.

 

[DiabeticSydePhil]

Most GW writers just don't understand numbers.

Nothing is funnier than things like a full hive being defended from tyranid invasion by a whole complimemt of roughly 90 space marines and tens of thousands of guard.

How much manpower you would need to defend a wall built around new york city is completely lost on the writers. Numbers are totally random.

 

[Professor Donger]

11th Edition Core Rules have been released.

 

[p1138]

11th Edition Core Rules have been released.

Turns out only part of the 11th edition core rules have been released because GW had to be stupid.

Goonhammer has apparently mentioned a Hunter X tag existing in the digital version that's not in the PDF(which is safe to assume the same as the print version), go to ground is also missing, as well as some other stuff.

 

[regalterry]

Most GW writers just don't understand numbers

Good observation, but I still maintain that they also don't understand faith, or feel too uncomfortable to contemplate the end result of a Tau occupation of an imperial planet.

Defectors and facilitators would be killed at night in their homes, or posed in a brutal spectacle somewhere public as a warning to others that think of being collaborators, infrastructure would be constantly sabotaged, Tau patrols ambushed by snipers and IEDs, and no amount of reprisal from the Tau would make the people stop, because they are incapable of reaching the same level of brutality the imperium does, nor could they convince the vast majority of people to become secular space commies.

Nothing is funnier than things like a full hive being defended from tyranid invasion by a whole complimemt of roughly 90 space marines and tens of thousands of guard.

I still recall a book where they were sieging a whole hive city with a single regiment of Death Korps.

Tau expansion would make sense if they were conquering sparsely populated death- or agri- worlds on the fringes of the Imperium, but no, they're taking heavily populated hive worlds, of which many probably have more people than the whole Tau empire.

And they somehow conquer these worlds despite them being deliberately engineered to resist sieges for years, decades even, and the cities having under their command vast planetary defense forces, to say nothing of the religious rabble the priesthood would be able to whip into a frenzy against the xeno invader.

 

[Professor Donger]

Turns out only part of the 11th edition core rules have been released because GW had to be stupid.
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Goonhammer has already mentioned a Hunter X tag existing in the digital version that's not in the PDF(which is safe to assume the same as the print version), go to ground is also missing, as well as some other stuff.

Gotta love James Workshop and their stupidity

 

[p1138]

Good observation, but I still maintain that they also don't understand faith, or feel too uncomfortable to contemplate the end result of a Tau occupation of an imperial planet.

Of course they don't. I was just pointing out that they can't handle basic shit like numbers, so something like "faith" which can be incredibly abstract to describe is beyond them. Remember that most of their authors are just writing fanfiction for WW1/2, the crusades, etc.

Gotta love James Workshop and their stupidity

Yeah, they can always find a new way to be dumb.

 

[Professor Donger]

I still recall a book where they were sieging a whole hive city with a single regiment of Death Korps.

One of the things that I noticed when reading The War for Rynn's World was the conflict felt incredibly small. The Crimson Fist gets most of their chapter wiped out by accident; they have like maybe 40 marines left by the time the siege on the main city starts, yet somehow they were able to hold out for years against an Ork Waagh that was massive enough to surround a hive city.

 

[p1138]

One of the things that I noticed when reading The War for Rynn's World was the conflict felt incredibly small. The Crimson Fist gets most of their chapter wiped out by accident; they have like maybe 40 marines left by the time the siege on the main city starts, yet somehow they were able to hold out for years against an Ork Waagh that was massive enough to surround a hive city.

I think it was Pharos from the HH series that had something silly like 40 ultramarines, Dantioch, a handful of imperial fists, and like 2 admech thanatar robots that weren't even setup for combat, holding out in the cave system of the pharos itself while the entire planet and it's one city(which wasn't even a hive) was being assaulted by 20,000 nightlords, after having taken control of the orbital defenses and slaughtering everyone in the city and managed to survive for days until a couple thousand ultramarines in a small ship group and some dark angels(who all got blown up with their ship) managed to show up and save the day before Guilliman finally arrived.

 

[Professor Donger]

I think it was Pharos from the HH series that had something silly like 40 ultramarines, Dantioch, a handful of imperial fists, and like 2 admech thanatar robots that weren't even setup for combat, holding out in the cave system of the pharos itself while the entire planet and it's one city(which wasn't even a hive) was being assaulted by 20,000 nightlords, after having taken control of the orbital defenses and slaughtering everyone in the city and managed to survive for days until a couple thousand ultramarines in a small ship group and some dark angels(who all got blown up with their ship) managed to show up and save the day before Guilliman finally arrived.

Dan Abnett can be a fucking idiot sometimes with the way he writes, but at least generally he does scale pretty well at least from what I've noticed, both in his HH Books and in Gaunt's Ghosts.

 

[Dollar Store Crack Whore]

Had my first tournament win on Saturday, feeling pretty good.

Never let anyone tell you that you can't call the WAAAAGH! turn 1 every game.

 

[Professor Donger]

Never let anyone tell you that you can't call the WAAAAGH! turn 1 every game.

Just as Gork and Mork intended

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

One of the things that I noticed when reading The War for Rynn's World was the conflict felt incredibly small. The Crimson Fist gets most of their chapter wiped out by accident; they have like maybe 40 marines left by the time the siege on the main city starts, yet somehow they were able to hold out for years against an Ork Waagh that was massive enough to surround a hive city.

To be fair most writers fantasy or sci fi can't do scale well, especially sci fi people who deal with entire planets, Star Wars nerds still argue and retcon if a single mention of "a million units" of clone soldiers is a million soldiers period or regiments numbering in some higher denomination like tens or hundreds of thousand

Its apparent in 40k when they just describe a couple million IG casualties in Vraks and it gets real fucky when SMs are involved, entire companies or chapters are wiped on a whim for drama while sometimes they mention that a single squad could take on entire armies of regular humans or orks

 

[winderson_silva]

Defectors and facilitators would be killed at night in their homes, or posed in a brutal spectacle somewhere public as a warning to others that think of being collaborators, infrastructure would be constantly sabotaged, Tau patrols ambushed by snipers and IEDs, and no amount of reprisal from the Tau would make the people stop, because they are incapable of reaching the same level of brutality the imperium does, nor could they convince the vast majority of people to become secular space commies.

You should check Broken Sword, Elemental Council and Shadowbreaker to see how pro imperial rebellions go under the Tau

Black Leviathan also show how cruel they can be.

Honestly feels like some of your pet peeves with the Tau are based in not reading their lore at all.

I wouldn't mind a third tier era with a different opening crawl

Warhammer Crime and Horror use different crawls

 

[Newcomer 42]

Good observation, but I still maintain that they also don't understand faith,

They don't since that inane story where the Emprah ranted about his plan to destroy churches to free mankind from abuse of power. The fact that belief IS necessary so that the space demons don't mindrape you isn't even considered because it was written by fedora atheists.

And they somehow conquer these worlds despite them being deliberately engineered to resist sieges for years, decades even, and the cities having under their command vast planetary defense forces, to say nothing of the religious rabble the priesthood would be able to whip into a frenzy against the xeno invader.

It's justified as having the Tau use loyalists to infiltrate the place or something. The Tau should have been eaten by the nids or have their machines possessed by demons a long time ago, but they're protected by the plot. Nevermind the current canon inanity about the T'au Goddess.

One of the things that I noticed when reading The War for Rynn's World was the conflict felt incredibly small. The Crimson Fist gets most of their chapter wiped out by accident; they have like maybe 40 marines left by the time the siege on the main city starts, yet somehow they were able to hold out for years against an Ork Waagh that was massive enough to surround a hive city.

TBF, SM Chapters are meant to be small, with "only" 1000 marines in total, although many Chapters bend the rules whenever possible.

 

[I Know 孤独のせい]

Just as Gork and Mork intended

Mork -> Gork

 

[Dollar Store Crack Whore]

Mork -> Gork

Well that ain't proppa. Sounds like weirdboy talk to me.

 

[Humble Architect]

It’s been said time and again but the Emperor’s (midwit writer) stance on faith is ridiculous.

A true “super-intelligent” demigod would know that faith is inseparable from humanity and times of faithlessness are synonymous with loss of progress, like our modern day. Not even faith in God or religion, it can be faith in a nation, a goal, an idea or just getting from one location to another, all fuelled by faith and determination, it is from faith that willpower, hope and courage are enriched and maintained.

In 40k? He would know that faith can be a wall. One that could temporarily shield mankind while he works on the Webway.

Lorgar, manchild rage aside, was right. We need faith and the things that come from it, just as much as we need oxygen.

 

[Professor Donger]

It’s been said time and again but the Emperor’s (midwit writer) stance on faith is ridiculous.

A true “super-intelligent” demigod would know that faith is inseparable from humanity and times of faithlessness are synonymous with loss of progress, like our modern day. Not even faith in God or religion, it can be faith in a nation, a goal, an idea or just getting from one location to another, all fuelled by faith and determination, it is from faith that willpower, hope and courage are enriched and maintained.

In 40k? He would know that faith can be a wall. One that could temporarily shield mankind while he works on the Webway.

Lorgar, manchild rage aside, was right. We need faith and the things that come from it, just as much as we need oxygen.

It would have been better if the reason for him not wanting to be worshiped was that he was afraid he'd become another Slaanesh. They kind of hinted at that in the last few HH books but it was done in a shoddy way.

I would have been fine with the faith realization happening as he's fighting Horus, make it so the humans and even astartes on Terra start praying to him, either consciously or subconciously which is what gives him that slight edge to defeat Horus, he realizes way to late that he could have used that to defeat Chaos if he had cultivated it, but by the time he figures that out he ends up on the golden throne.

Sadly 40k was written by the British