Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Sunset Ethernia]

"she still can" sounds like an aborted weird route.

this sounds like "is this really what you're hoping?" oh and yeah, hell and shelter and depths have the same answer. it always have been gaster.

 

[smartgenius55583433157]

 

[You Can't Un'Ape The Doe]

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See what makes it funny is that trans is not okay

 

[my penis is on fire]

The only thing that people are going to remember Ch. 5 Normal Route for is Susie being a total cunt for no reason.

Having thought about it for a bit, was seeing the final Prophecy panel what made Susie go insane this chapter?
That possibility doesn't excuse the shit writing and it would've helped if Chapter 5 had at least hinted at that being the case, but it would at least make her sudden change in characterization make a bit more sense. Even so, why would learning that the Prophecy is leading up to an irreversible tragedy make her even more dead-set on being an active part of it? Maybe it ends with the Dark World being sealed off forever, and so she's trying to live it up now while she still has time? Did the Gerson fight overinflate her ego and make her think she could change or stop the ending?

 

[Super Guido]

I hit this stupid motherfucker no less than three times while backtracking for the Cliffs coins and the egg room. Would it kill them to make it stop spawning after you reach its recruit requirement?
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Don't you insult that licky bird. He's one of the cutest enemies in this chapter!

The Terracotta golem is really annoying, too. I don't know if it respawns because I decided to just kill it.

 

[Cave Fisher]

I'm still mad the only 2 of Flowery's flower minions that were actually fun to see more than once (seth and aqua) are likely gonna be one chapter exclusives considering they have 2 of the three songs this chapter I can even remember by name, but at least we'll never see the creepy crossdresser again.

was seeing the final Prophecy panel what made Susie go insane this chapter?

The prophecy fucking with her head is the only reason I can think of for Susie to give so little of a shit about Ralsei revealing one more thing he didn't tell her about, the menu UI, after a whole dramatic breakdown literally a day ago about him never telling her important shit. Hell, the whole scene was about how he didn't feel like telling her that Gerson can't appear outside of this dark world unless prompted, but there was no such reaction to him waiting so long to tell her the planteners can't appear outside of this dark world, either, or about how there's "something horrible stirring underneath the town" and she had to hear it from a guy who got chopped in half when last chapter she was yelling in his face about him never mentioning the roaring.
It's weird too, because her WR characterization was REALLY strong compared to the main one, I'd say it mogs the whole festival (I did like the dark world segment though).

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

>Noelle and Susie and Kris get into a "polycule"

I now semi-hope that happens, if only because of the fan reaction.
Then again, Lanino and Elnina ended up in two 'polycules'..,

 

[Star Classic]

Replaying UT before I play DR proper. Would it have killed Toby to include proper WASD support? Please someone tell me DR actually has WASD movement because this is pretty bad.

 

[Usean Allied Forces]

Replaying UT before I play DR proper. Would it have killed Toby to include proper WASD support? Please someone tell me DR actually has WASD movement because this is pretty bad.

You could rebind the movement keys to WASD for DR. Also Toby made the movement keys the arrow keys cause he wants to LARP as a jap

 

[Leakage Current]

You could rebind the movement keys to WASD for DR. Also Toby made the movement keys the arrow keys cause he wants to LARP as a jap

Arrow keys + ZXC are the only true input scheme for 2D games like these.

 

[Symbol of the Chud]

I think the biggest thing holding this game back other than the abject troonslop slowly infiltrating is just how much focus there is on shit nobody cares about.
Toby Fox is allergic to focusing on the main battle system of Deltarune and instead we need countless dev hours spent on minigames, more minigames, a whole chapter that is 80% minigame, alternative movement mechanics (a climbing minigame) and of course, alternative movement mechanics (platforming minigame)
Nobody talks about Chapter 3 because of the minigames, those were forgettable.
Nobody really talks about Chapter 4 because of the climbing, that was forgettable.
Nobody is going to talk about Chapter 5 because of the platformer shit, that too is forgettable.
Toby needs to get it into his head that people play Deltarune to play Deltarune, not to play shitty Warioware, Links Awakening, Frogger and Mario.

Slightly unrelated, but back when Chapter 2 came out, I wondered, perhaps foolishly. "Gee, that Weird Route thing is pretty nutso! I wonder how Toby is going to handle a character clearly important like Berdly having a fate that varies so much!"
The younger Chud didn't think that Toby would just go "And from this point on, Berdly is a background character at best."
I guess bothering with anything complicated like a truly branching storyline (Or really, even like 4-5 altered outcomes) was just impossible for man with as much money and time as he likes to develop his game that is really only a step up from a basic RPG.

 

[Grand Ambrew]

(YT)

2:40

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

Ngl I find a controller to be the best way for me to play DR. K&M gives me mad carpel tunnel and I'm a lot more precise with an analog anyway.

 

[Smokin' Niggardly Fags]

Huh, I guess I wasn't the only person who thought of Reimu when I saw that (even though the ribbon is "spiky"). TMW I noticed this and I somehow missed Ralsei with Ran Yakumo's hat.

 

[Slumbie]

The climbing mechanics in particular have always felt the most pointless. Feels like the type of thing that should be put in a triple-A game to pad runtime. Not an RPG like Deltarune.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

>go to any game sub
>post fanart
>make sure to link to the original author or you'll get banned

Note: this only works with lazy fanart

If it's high effort there's a 90% chance it gets like 20 updoots and dies off within an hour of posting

 

[Niggerphobe]

These are the kind of memes D*ltasissies like
(from reddit, naturally )
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Actually subhuman

I do wonder if its about Kris and Susie or Susie and Noelle? Either way its weird route (I think) so it doesn't mean too much

Is mad mew mew actually a diaclone?

 

[Duke-Diggler]

The largest problem that Undertale has isn't Toby Fox or the Troony Helpers who sometimes seem to invite themselves along to help with gamedev, it's the fact that the established major playerbase is so cancerous that Toby has to play to their cancer.
It's like, it would've been an amazing twist to really hammer in the fact that the Player and Kris are two separate entities if after Chapter 1 ended, Kris was solely referred to as he, but that would shatter the 4302493039 they/them citations that existed even early on and make the retarded fanbase lose their minds.

I just hope that Toby doesn't bottle it and delete the literal only things making Noelle an interesting character in the normal route. There's absolutely nothing that indicates that Susie and Noelle's relationship is going to work out except Toby being kind of a faggot when it comes to hamfisted yuri.
But he has the ability to send everyone to yuri niggerhell with a single stroke if nothing comes of it.

I mean, I would prefer to have both Susie AND Noelle be with Kris and have him be a Conan The Barbarian type gigachad.

Would be a nice twist and a big way to send everyone into a massive shitstorm.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

I mean, I would prefer to have both Susie AND Noelle be with Kris and have him be a Conan The Barbarian type gigachad.

Would be a nice twist and a big way to send everyone into a massive shitstorm.

Roulxpilled in this day and age?

 

[So It Goes]

I finished chapter 5 today. The whole Toby Fox Undertale/Deltarune phenomena is a part of recent Internet video game history that I totally missed out on until now. Never played Undertale and I never paid any attention to Deltarune until this week. I went in with zero prior knowledge and zero expectations... Well I did know about the character Sans, but that really was about it. When the credits rolled on chapter 5, I felt quite satisfied with my purchase. Got about 35 hours out of it and I'd say 80-90% of it was enjoyable. I'm fine with the gay shit and the trans stuff only really felt overbearing to me in chapter 5 specifically.

I managed to find the optional "secret" boss for each chapter without having to look shit up online, even if it did take a bit of backtracking and some trial and error. I spent an absolutely embarrassing amount of time trying to figure out of how to win the Roaring Knight encounter without actively attacking it (pro tip: you can't... or at least, I never figured it out). The silver lining is that I've repeated that fight so many times now that I can do it hitless very consistently.

Unfortunately I made the grave mistake of looking into the online community surrounding this game and it's some of the most vomit-inducing shit I've ever laid eyes on. I think I'll just continue to play future chapters in blissful ignorance of whatever goes on with that. The one thing I was completely clueless about was the alternate route. I've been reading about it today and it sounds interesting so I want to give it a try, though I wonder how the fuck anyone ever figured that out on their own. If not for the fact that I saw a post about it online, I would've never realized it was a thing.