Undertale / Deltarune / Toby Fox Discussion

[Various Shades of Brown]

It's very telling that I haven't seen a single person say they want to replay the new chapter, regardless of whether they loved it or hated it. Thank God save editors exist, they're probably going to cure a lot of headaches when we get a date for chapter 6.

 

[Rungle]

The secret boss for chap 5 is kino.

i did not expect miku hatsune

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

My favorite part about this thread is that in a few months it'll go back to business as usual and everyone will forget the initial outrage to post gooner-adjacent pictures of Susie while talking about how based their personal favorite flower-human was.

 

[Dick Lickieta]

This was the game Toby supposedly always wanted to make btw

 

[L.V. Danslalune]

The secret boss for chap 5 is kino.

i did not expect miku hatsune

Kino in terms of game mechanics for me. Bomb attack was hardest, somehow I beat it first try. Gerson is the best narratively.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Fuck I forgot to mention this but on top of getting the day off without asking for it, somebody accidentally sent me flowers by mail the day before chapter 5 released, so like... I'm a bit freaked out.

 

[Gay Sex Enjoyer]

My favorite part about this thread is that in a few months it'll go back to business as usual and everyone will forget the initial outrage to post gooner-adjacent pictures of Susie while talking about how based their personal favorite flower-human was.

You either learn to live with the disappointment and move on as best you can, leave the game altogether, or tweak out and murder Toby Fox.

The options are limited.

 

[Kitty Cat Man]

there's WAY too much lore on the game's plate to satisfiably cover by the time we make it to chatper 7, and that includes the motives, abilities, and origins of the game's MAIN ANTAGONIST.

with how toby(and other tumblr people) write, he'll just have a big emotional loredump like five minutes after the reveal(it's inevitably going to either be Dess, or the homunculus thing we made at the beginning of the game)

this is because jRPG's did it that way. but jRPG's did it that way because of jap corporate culture and napkin-pitching, where they'd rapid-fire pitch and prototype games and the fun ones got to be fleshed out and the bad ones got shoved in the shovelware "maybe we'll use this later if we have a good IP we can slap over it" pile. So by the time any RPG was actually, tangibly greenlit, they would've had like four different guys working on a lore/art bible, a gameplay loop, an engine, and cutscene/FMV direction

then one or two senior-guys would take all these separate elements and lock in with their team to polish them, which would ideally include many of the low-level workers who made the actual meat of the game(this is how2ladderclimb in 90s japland).
this led to shit like Zack being a late introduction to FFVII and all the "mindfuck" stuff being just totally dumped on the player at the start of the third act(because they'd scrapped so many elements and needed a coherent way to tie all the plot threads together, Cloud himself was going to be Aeris's first boyfriend, there was a planned twist where Cloud was also going to be Sephiroth's clone/shadow/thrall - those elements were cut, they needed something to square the plot, make Cloud an amnesiac who believed himself to be a CoolGuy he worked with once) - instead of going all the way back through the script, the easiest way to do it was to mindfuck the player and just like add some mystical-retcon sauce to make it work. big loredump, proceed to hit badguy with sword for 9999 damage.

and that's all well and good when you're a tight-knit team with a more or less coherent narrative(you're a retard, you need to figure out why you're retarded and hit the bad guy) that you need to tie up before deadlines hit, but this sort of writing style falls flat and looks weebish and cringe when it's your cash-cow project that was literally revealed to you in a dream and you have plot threads you've established years ago that are seemingly going nowhere because you want some epic "just like my Japanese Role Playing Games" moment right before the end.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

I do appreciate that, at least for now, Nicepants gets fucking smashed into dust. It was not cool and I hope p"e"zzapants never gets with nicecream guy.

 

[Raisincrest]

Yeah, I didn't like this chapter. There were small things I liked, but it overstayed its welcome even more than chapter 3.

All in all, pretty disappointing. I'll try the weird route eventually.

 

[Jhonny Jhon]

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

My favorite part about this thread is that in a few months it'll go back to business as usual and everyone will forget the initial outrage to post gooner-adjacent pictures of Susie while talking about how based their personal favorite flower-human was.

Real niggas never speak ill of Green.

 

[Dr. Ricearoni]

Real niggas never speak ill of Green.

I dont think she even attacks during the flowery fight beyond implicitly having fed orange to power her up. You could argue the flames from the fakeout are her, but they definitely come from Orange.

 

[Noto Bok]

That flower is just part of the architecture. I think people got the wrong idea.

Isn't the blue rose supposed to mean 'unrequited love' or something? Basically Toby foreshadowed that Kris'd get cucked.

It wasn't finished.

Ibis paint is weird with black lines so I just used the color I was using to make the lines apparent in the layer.

Anyways I used the same color of the water in the game. @Noto Bok
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Now they're drowning in tea. I was gonna make the water blue but it's not how the atmosphere is in-game since it's sunset.

Tbh, I was thinking more along the lines of these two images, with Noelle in Beatrices dress and pose.

It was honestly the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that sprite. Along with an earlier comment from Susie, where she tells you that Noelle offered her a wad of cash, and that that was the most money she'd seen in her life. Some real young lady energy from Noelle here, lmao.


2 things to note though. I've never played or read Umineko, I only know of it through some memes. And second, what you made was of higher effort and is better themed than what I had in mind.
So, great work.

Edit; fixed a slight mistake.
Edit 2; added the actual Noelle sprite I was thinking of, mistook one for the other.

This was the wrong one.

 

[TORtlEMUStRaNSUS]

Someone here has posted the trannies he hired.

Toby has always had gay shit in his games but this whole chapter was just full of gay shit. I am honestly shocked he made Pizzapants straight and upset about his fag friend gaslighting him. Of course the comedy relief character is a silly absurdly straight person while all the main characters are some shade of raped.

I dont think she even attacks during the flowery fight beyond implicitly having fed orange to power her up. You could argue the flames from the fakeout are her, but they definitely come from Orange.

The fire is from her attack, it is the same she uses in the Green/Orange fight.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

My favorite part about this thread is that in a few months it'll go back to business as usual and everyone will forget the initial outrage to post gooner-adjacent pictures of Susie while talking about how based their personal favorite flower-human was.

Do remember, all mystery box fanbases are immovable until the mystery box ACTUALLY opens. The invincibility only remains in the presence of uncertainty because everyone can imagine their own personal headcanon as the ending being correct and therefore good. All the issues in the current chapter? They don't matter because the last 2 chapters will fix everything, I swear bro.

Its why the boys had diehard supporters until literally the very last episode because they were holding out hope that it would all be fixed in the finale.

 

[TheCrackMonkey]

Because I'm just Noelle. A Noelle that has to do Noelle things"
"Because I'm just Susie's girlfriend. Susie's girlfriend that has to do Susie's girlfriend things"

So either all the forced yurislop shit will actually end up playing into the game's themes of defying fate and breaking free....

Or Toby's just a gigantic retard who ruined the writing of his magnum opus all because he couldn't stop thinking with the head in his pants.

 

[X Prime]

Its why the boys had diehard supporters until literally the very last episode because they were holding out hope that it would all be fixed in the finale.

And yet, the future refused to change.

How many times must this lesson be taught? Never trust tumblrites to deliver.

 

[Nameless One]

Isn't the blue rose supposed to mean 'unrequited love' or something? Basically Toby foreshadowed that Kris'd get cucked.

Tbh, I was thinking more along the lines of these two images, with Noelle in Beatrices dress and pose.
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It was honestly the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that sprite. Along with an earlier comment from Susie, where she tells you that Noelle offered her a wad of cash, and that that was the most money she'd seen in her life. Some real young lady energy from Noelle here, lmao.


2 things to note though. I've never played or read Umineko, I only know of it through some memes. And second, what you made was of higher effort and is better themed than what I had in mind.
So, great work.

Edit; fixed a slight mistake.
Edit 2; added the actual Noelle sprite I was thinking of, mistook one for the other.

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Oh my bad. I saw this and it seemed better or more fitting than anything else.



Anything else:

 

[X Prime]

Isn't the blue rose supposed to mean 'unrequited love' or something? Basically Toby foreshadowed that Kris'd get cucked.

Yes, but remember that people thought he would actually make Noelle sit in the chair. They actually believed that a known yurifag turboweeb would suddenly see the light.

I get it. People want to see the good in others. What they forget is that fujos and yurifags aren't human. They are caricatures twisted by fetishes into a mockery of God's perfect creation, which is the union of a loving man and woman.