Sugar Daddies and Sugar Babies - Barely legal prostitutes in denial and their barely erectile-functioning johns

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That's really a dim and fucked up view of men to have, especially since it has no real evidence. Based on divorce statistics, the divorce rate rises sharply among people who sleep around. People who are genuinely chaste and normal appreciate chastity and normalcy stay together substantially more often than those who do not.
Maybe they do, but most people who remain married for decades are most likely religious and the husband cheats because "muh biological needs".
I'm not saying monogamy and marriage are bad things, I'm just saying that the debauchery we see these days doesn't come out of nowhere. Many people were in miserable marriages or saw their parents and relatives in miserable marriages, particularly women. This is the aftermath. Traditionalism is a cancer.
But yeah, these days it just doesn't work like that. It starts as early as middle school. Boys will openly say they want "many bitches" and women who don't put out are invisible. This continues on to adulthood, and then they get married because they are supposed to but the whoring doesn't change.

Someone should make a thread about Anna Bey. She’s basically teaches women how to be escorts.
She already has a thread elsewhere https://tattle.life/wiki/anna-bey/ . However:
Anna teaches women to act like escorts (sitting in hotel bars, etc. to get a man's attention) but presents it as a way to meet a potential boyfriend/husband. This puts naïve women, who don't realize what she's doing, at risk. She denies that she has ever been a sex worker despite extensive evidence to the contrary:

  • Anna worked as a topless dancer at Amnesia in Ibiza - photo and video evidence on the threads and can easily be found on YouTube.
  • Anna has stated that Joseph paid her rent when she lived in London i.e., she was a sugar baby. (In fact he most likely just let her use an apartment Audi Bank provided.)
  • When Anna lived in London in 2012-13, she was part of a group of escorts and sugar babies who met through Tumblr - this includes some current Tattle users who personally knew her. She was known to this group to be an escort herself, and told others that she wanted to open an escort agency of her own.
  • Gave advice on the Jetsetbabe blog about how to meet men through SeekingArrangement (screencaps in the dossier.)
  • In this interview with Cosmopolitan, Anna alludes to escorting, and makes it clear that she approves of "transactional sex" to get ahead.
  • Part of the first online course she sold was plagiarised from an escorting blog
  • When travelling she frequently visits escort hotspots such as Annabel's, the Hotel Costes in Paris, and others. A lot of the hotels / restaurants she recommends to her followers as good places to meet men are well known escort hangouts.
  • Sharing photos and video of herself in restaurants late at night with obviously older men. Some of the photos included younger Eastern European women whom she tagged, but then later removed the images - if the women were on a group escort "date" with her perhaps they did not want to be identified in public.
We have no problem with consensual sex work; and are not, in Anna's words, "slut-shaming" her. However, she owes it to her followers to be honest and not to give false and potentially harmful information.

Anna regularly travels around Europe, sometimes hundreds of miles in a week, and posts photos on her social media; all out of sequence so it's not obvious when she was in each place. She always brings two large suitcases with her which seems unusual when she's based in Switzerland and only travelling a short distance around Europe. During a trip to London she posted an Insta video of her cutting up her Rimowa suitcase because she couldn't open it and was in a hurry to access the contents. Shouldn't she know the combination, since she travels so much? Speculation is that she could be involved in moving items across borders for a fee - when travelling, she normally crosses the border by road or rail, where checks are less strict and suitcases aren't scanned. As a blonde European woman she will not normally draw the attention of authorities. Other suspicious behaviour includes Anna sharing full floor plans on social media of a property owned by Audi Bank. What legitimate reason would there be for her to do this?
Carl Buchalet = The puppet master pulling Anna's strings. Ostensibly "just" the CEO of her company Bey International.
Her mentor seems to be the infamous con artist Dan Lok, whom she consulted when creating School of Affluence. Signs of his influence can be seen in her marketing e.g., filming in hotels and pretending it is her own house. She follows, and may be in contact with, Pooyan Mokhtari who is known for an internet betting scam.

This could be worth looking into to, who knows what we could unearth...
 
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Great OP on an interesting topic. Fascinating social dynamic between the whores and their Johns. I read Proverbs today (as I do every day) and the good book prefectly describes the sugar babies not considering what they do to be prostitution:
Such is the way of an adulterous woman; she eateth, and wipeth her mouth, and saith, I have done no wickedness. - Proverbs 30:20
 
I think that most of these women were brainwashed to think this is what they want. Why would they want this? It's dangerous, they can get assaulted, stalked, killed, pregnant, catch a disease, for a bit of cash? At the expense of having to lie for the rest of their lives to future partners, if they aren't damaged enough to have a relationship after all this?
They were fed the fantasy that nowadays this is what men want, and that if they are good little whores one day some guy will notice them and rescue them. Like how back in the day women believed that if they remained pure and proper and cooked and cleaned very well a man would also come rescue them. It's really the same thing. Men changed and women changed to match that. These women behave like whores because at some point in their lives they learned that unless you give a man what he wants he won't give you the time of the day and that you will always get passed over for one type of whore or the other, and this is an experience a lot of women go through now.

It's much simpler than that. People in their 20s are just really horny and short-sighted, and the fruit of the 1960s youth movement was to remove all legal and cultural safeguards that prevented them from making permanent, life-altering decisions based on the mercurial desires of their hormone-fueled youngperson brains. When you're 22, the idea of children sounds like it'll just fuck up your life. There's just too much fun to have right now...maybe when I'm 35? I totally know a woman who had kids at 42! I can wait! It's not until you're in your late 30s and that RAGING NEED TO CUM subsides a bit that you realize that actually, your 20s was the perfect time to have kids, and you're at that perfect spot in life to start guiding a psychotic adolescent into adulthood. Then you try to tell younger people this, and they look at you like you are the biggest fucking retard that ever stole an extra chromosome. So what can you do? You shrug your shoulders and watch the next generation fuck itself up even harder than mine did.

The idea that everyone was miserable and cheating before the Sexual Revolution and no-fault divorce was propaganda to get those things passed. Everyone's much more depressed and suicidal now, especially women, and adultery skyrocketed in the 70s and 80s.

Reports in the 1920s showed that 28% of American men and 24% of women were unfaithful at some point during their marriage [8-10]. In the late 1940s and early 1950s, nearly 33% of men and 26% of women in American sample were adulterous [11,12]. Data in the 1970s revealed that some 41% of men and 25% of women reported engaging in infidelity behaviors [13], and data gathered in the 1980s revealed that 72% of men and 54% of women were adulterous at some point during marital relationships.

 
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It's not until you're in your late 30s and that RAGING NEED TO CUM subsides a bit that you realize that actually, your 20s was the perfect time to have kids, and you're at that perfect spot in life to start guiding a psychotic adolescent into adulthood. Then you try to tell younger people this, and they look at you like you are the biggest fucking retard that ever stole an extra chromosome.
Anyone who believes that their 20s is the best time to have a child is truly the biggest fucking retard that ever stole an extra chromosome.
 
As a small sidenote; We were discussing the equivalence of Sugar Babies/Daddies in the past and if this is a new phenomena or not.

One thing nobody incl me mentioned was the concept of courtesans. Except for the fact that both client and prostitute behaved in a bit more classy ways, I'd say its the perfect equivalent.

Anyone who believes that their 20s is the best time to have a child is truly the biggest fucking retard that ever stole an extra chromosome.
Hmm, I was kinda panicking for not having a child yet having recently crossed 30.

I really believe a child at 25 is the best age. Also I think that I read somewhere that for a female the biologically perfect time is somewhere slightly below this age.
I'd say a good mix would be a 23 year old female and 26 year old male, like ideal stuff. As in where the chance for a successful pregnancy with least amounts of complications. is the highest

Part of it is to be able to identify with your childs interests, engage in sports and outdoors activities and so on. Anything above 40 is malignant. Like you're too late with your life and just desperately clinging a hope of still being able to have a normal family, having spent too much time at your career, hobbies or what ever.

Even 35...that means that by the time your kid is 15, you're 50. Your mind is already beyond set, unless you've really kept it busy with the new things of the world and stayed fresh and updated. It's really going to be hard to engage with your "rebellious teenage son/daughter" then, in a productive manner.
 
As a small sidenote; We were discussing the equivalence of Sugar Babies/Daddies in the past and if this is a new phenomena or not.

One thing nobody incl me mentioned was the concept of courtesans. Except for the fact that both client and prostitute behaved in a bit more classy ways, I'd say its the perfect equivalent.
Also patrons and the ballet. There was a stereotype of ballerinas being favored and paid by patrons in exchange for sex in France during that era.
 
Mods - Sorry about the double-post. It's because of the media limit.
Anyway, please enjoy some more TikToks






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One thing nobody incl me mentioned was the concept of courtesans. Except for the fact that both client and prostitute behaved in a bit more classy ways, I'd say its the perfect equivalent.
Not entirely. Sugar babies thrive on being a "dirty secret" but cortisans had public-facing expectations. Anna is playing into this with her whole "be elegant" schtick. She's trying to play up the contrast between what she does and the more "base" behaviors of obvious sugar babies.
"Look at me!" she says "I know how to eat with a knife and fork! I can pass for a member of high society! That means you can take me out in public! Not like those other whores who you can only take to the club."
Also patrons and the ballet. There was a stereotype of ballerinas being favored and paid by patrons in exchange for sex in France during that era.
Did you also see "Louise" recently?
For those that haven't (NSFW content, but nothing actually explicit):
 
Taken from r/FemaleDatingStrategy
https://www.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/rb8j89/the_reactions_i_received_when_i_used_to_talk/
The reactions I received when I used to talk about being a sugar baby
LESSON LEARNED
I was a sugar baby at 19 years old because I was desperate. I was previously homeless and had just gotten a roof over my head, though I wasn’t sure how long it would last. I was also attending school and had a full time minimum wage job at a soul sucking drug store.
Bad situation alright, but hardly an excuse to get a sugar daddy.
A “friend” of mine seemed to have a much different reality. She was comfortable in her 1 bedroom apartment (in an incredibly expensive area) that was paid for by her sugar daddy. She spoke about her needs being taken care of (school if she decided to go to college, phone bill, car insurance, etc.) and allowance/gifts (flights, trips, jewelry).
Yes, and at what cost?
I thought, why not? I was young and I wanted to have new experiences. I couldn’t continue the burnout spiral I was dealing with and I didn’t have secure familial relationships or friendships at the time.
The familial relationships can't be helped but the friendships definetly can, as we will see later. If she is friends only with hoes and male orbiters then no wonder she has no support. A sugar daddy won't fix that.
So, I created an account on Seeking. I don’t have to tell you all the details of the actual experience, I’m sure you can guess how awful it was. It was so completely demeaning that it made me sick to my stomach. I hated myself for putting myself in that position, not the sugar daddy that was pressuring me for sex and making me stroke his ego.
It could’ve been a lot worse, but I got out within 3 weeks. This was largely because of the new female friends I had come into my life and reacted in a way that didn’t blame me, but saw the situation as a negative one. They offered to help me with my housing situation and provided emotional and financial support that was crucial for my escape from the situation.
Number 1 problem of hoes and main reason they are hoes: they can't collaborate with other women. If they did, they wouldn't have to whore themselves. There aren't bigger mysoginists than hoes.

She did learn a lesson and turned her situation around. She was dealt a bad hand and then got influenced by the media and hoes. A lot of people are quick to judge young women for making these kinds of mistakes and they don't even stop to think of all the reasons they may have for this. In her case I think she did it more out of bad influences / grooming by media and bad company, than out of being really a hoe.
None of my male “friends” did shit to help, even though I’ve known them longer. Not even a warning, not a single offer to drive me home after one of my dates ended at 10:30 pm in a dangerous part of the city. They knew I was struggling before I even made an account on Seeking - the only thing I got from them were inappropriate jokes about providing me stable housing if I slept with them (one of which I actually did have sex with because I felt like I owed him for temporary shelter that he gave me).
What were their reactions to me being a sugar baby? “God, don’t I wish I could have a hot MILF pay me for sex and give me gifts,” and “if I was a hot chick,I would have a sugar daddy, too.” They would frame it in a progressive and empowering light, ignoring all of the circumstances leading up to this situation. They would not even bother being fake sympathetic when I said that it wasn’t empowering to me at all. They would try to gaslight me into believing it was a positive experience.
They are orbiters who only want one thing. She learned a valuable lesson here too.
Remember, ladies, a true friend will validate your feelings and recognize that this situation (comparatively OnlyFans and porn) is deeply misogynistic, cruel, and pedophilic. They would try their hardest to support you before you’d even resort to these means.
These LVM were so dangerously dismissive and apathetic that if I hadn’t found the group of HVW, I would be in a pretty awful situation today.
Keep HVW close, block and delete scrotes posing as long term friends.
So she did learn a good lesson at the end of the day. Moral of the story: don't be too quick to judge, everybody makes mistakes.

Now onto shaming creepy old men.
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You know gender relations are bad when this trash can walk around proudly and smugly instead of hiding in shame under a rock. It used to be that people like this were laughed at.
 
what are LVM and HVW?

I assume M is for Male and W for Woman(?)

Im all over this story you quoted. Its rollercoaster.

I have sympathy for her original situation.
Even if she shouldn't have picked up this "gig" its still one of the reasons why many do and in unfortunate circumstance of life.
I don't think that friends should be there to "validate" you and "recognize" things the way you want them to and I hate the term gaslighting.
But her "friends" had absolutely retarded opinions. They are not wrong because they are gaslighting her, they are wrong because they are dumb and arrogant.


It's also interesting how the slutpride thing has gone so far (remember that movie with the hoes that scammed their rich clients that so many liked?) that a chick that is struggling in life and feels compelled to sell her body is then told she should be empowered by doing so despite not coming from a place of empowerement but disempowerement.


And then the fucking SugarDaddies as a cherry on top of the shitpile. Jesus christ these people have ego¨s.
 
what are LVM and HVW?
Low-value man (aka "dusties")
High-value woman

On that note, here are TikToks I found using those as hashtags:



Ok, this last one has some valid points.




 
Curse the media limit. These are #sugarbaby (and related) found via the searches from my last post.







 
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According to my doctor, my wood is top 10% for my age
I can't get over this quote lol. How is his doctor determining this? What is the test for this kind of thing and how is it calibrated? Is the doctor hanging small weights off the end of it? The mind boggles. Saying he's in the 10%th percentile means the doctor somehow has a bell curve, and data on this. All those other comments were informative, but also horrifying. The 10% comment gave me a laugh.

Does the doctor have a magnetic ranking chart on the wall, and if you do "good" he moves you into the S tier from A tier? I'm left with more questions, and not enough answers! Can any kiwi urologists please answer this for me?

Edit: @NoReturn This post, that middle video with the "vibing" girl, that girl has the eyes of a pure predator.
 
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You know gender relations are bad when this trash can walk around proudly and smugly instead of hiding in shame under a rock. It used to be that people like this were laughed at.
Wealthy men with no shame will do it regardless of timeperiod. There were men who did this in Victorian times, there were men who did this in Roman times. The fact that most people look down on these guys is a positive sign for society instead of someone to aspire to.
 
After reading this thread, I've been on a roller coaster of emotions: namely disgust, MOTI, and despair as I cringe and groan reading through post after post, especially when sugar babies act smug about it and treat women that would rather work a regular job and value their pride as idiots. I will never understand why any of these retarded bimbos think trading in as something as invaluable as your self-worth and dignity for a designer bag is a good idea or that it's empowering or that it isn't just prostitution but with a more glamorous facade. Both coomers and thots have destroyed a lot of young people's ideas of what romance and intimacy is. Good job setting back feminism and teaching young girls that it's alright to be materialistic hos and men to see women as stupid fuck dolls that like shiny things, you stupid whores and filthy pigs. I hope selling your soul for material gain and carnal pleasure was worth it. (:_(

(Although this makes for fantastic lolcow material, so there's that at least).
 
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