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What, you think that Eurotrash has a monopoly on nostalgia for shitty apartments that you lived in as a young man? Because if that's the case then you are wrong.
What, you think that Eurotrash has a monopoly on nostalgia for shitty apartments that you lived in as a young man? Because if that's the case then you are wrong.
You could go part way and have more multi-level garages. It's a pain in the ass having to hike across acres of costco lot in 100° sun only to find your ice creams melted because you had to park in the adjacent zip code.
You could go part way and have more multi-level garages. It's a pain in the ass having to hike across acres of costco lot in 100° sun only to find your ice creams melted because you had to park in the adjacent zip code.
For a time I went shopping in a two-story H-E-B (parking mostly on ground level, escalators to take you to top level).
It wasn't a bad store or a bad neighborhood but being forced to take an escalator and use a grocery cart on the Vermaport was a uniquely miserable experience.
Where I am at underground parking lots are popular and I would imagine impromptu air raid shelter is a big reason for that. Especially big shopping centers or apartment buildings where you need to potentially accommodate a lot of people during an attack.
That's the other thing, I don't get why Europoors, Indians, and retards are so hung up over parking lots. Usually it's because it's "they take up space" that could be used to build bughives for third-worlders, but with parking lots, it's easy, you can just drive your car there, park, and walk inside. Plus, the parking lots allow ample space to load and unload cargo, which is almost never considered.
When I went to the Cathedral of the Resurrection of Christ, there was a huge parking lot which felt extremely peaceful. In my country there's never enough parking and I have to go and navigate somewhere like 5 kilometers away and walk the rest. It's gotten to the point where I am thinking of just taking my folding bike with me in the car to make up for the walking times.
That's the other thing, I don't get why Europoors, Indians, and retards are so hung up over parking lots. Usually it's because it's "they take up space" that could be used to build bughives for third-worlders, but with parking lots, it's easy, you can just drive your car there, park, and walk inside. Plus, the parking lots allow ample space to load and unload cargo, which is almost never considered.
It's funny, developers also hate big parking lots because they don't produce any rent and they cost more to maintain. The amount of parking required for a site is dictated by zoning codes, based on either square footage or occupancy, and the variation in what's considered adequate parking between jurisdictions is absolutely wild.
A lot of developers are actually starting to backfill their oversized parking lots with more commercial tenants to make them profitable, but I'm assuming urbanites are still mad about this since it's just more capitalist sprawl and not low-income housing or community gardens or whatever.
The scene inside the stadium formerly known as MetLife during the first half of New Jersey’s opening World Cup match between Brazil and Morocco, Saturday, June 13, 2026 at the newly renamed New York/New Jersey Stadium in East Rutherford, N.J.Andrew Mills | NJ Advance Media
More than three hours after Brazil and Morocco ended their World Cup match in a 1-1 tie at MetLife Stadium on Saturday night, hundreds of frustrated soccer fans remained ensnarled in a travel nightmare just outside the venue in East Rutherford.
Gridlock choked the highways and streets surrounding the stadium near midnight, and fans waited in thick crowds at the designated rideshare area at Meadowlands racetrack. Some had been in line for more than an hour after wandering the stadium grounds searching for a way out.
“I live in America and I’ve been to big events, but I have never seen this before,” said Aline Kubik, a Brazil fan who was staying in Elizabeth. “It’s hard to believe we’re in America right now.”
“On a scale of 1 to 10, my frustration is a 10,” added Gerardo Alfaro, another fan stuck in line late last night. “This is awful.”
Even media shuttles from the stadium were impacted, leaving journalists stranded for hours.
This comes after transportation has been a hot-button topic as MetLife prepared to host its first of eight World Cup matches over the next six weeks, including the July 19 final.
The problems started Saturday well after the game ended. At 10:15 p.m., fans who started walking toward the rideshare pick up were told by stadium workers that no more Ubers or Lyfts were being allowed into the pick-up area.
“If you don’t have a reservation with the Uber shuttle, you will NOT get out from here,” fans were told. With nowhere else to go, many kept walking anyway.
The late-leaving fans apparently were having the same experience: They were connecting with the ride-share apps and having their rides accepted by a driver, but the drivers could not get to the pick up area.
The shuttles for media and employees were also experiencing significant problems. Dozens of media members waited for multiple shuttles to Lyndhurst-area hotels that never showed, while others gave a Bronx cheer when a shuttle to New York arrived more than an hour late and quickly filled to capacity.
At nearly midnight, staff on hand at Meadowlands racetrack said rideshares were still flowing but at a slow pace. For some fans looking to go only a few miles away they were told to their best option was to take an Uber shuttle to Newport Mall in Jersey City, then another Uber from Newport Mall to their destination.
The post-event travel nightmare served as a stark contrast to earlier proclamations Saturday from the NJ Transit X account that trumpeted how it “successfully moved 21,578 fans from today’s match at NYNJ Stadium via bus and rail in 90 minutes.”
“Governor (Mikie) Sherrill deserves credit for developing and implementing a plan with contingencies,” the post continued.
Two hours before kickoff Saturday, Uber’s senior director of public policy and communications issued an ominous message on social media. Josh Gold, the official from the massive rideshare conglomerate, warned the roughly 60,000 fans expected Saturday to also utilize public transit.
“Uber alone can’t accommodate the demand,” Gold wrote in a post on X. “Surge pricing and event surcharges will be in effect to encourage more drivers to come into NJ. Plan ahead and take transit if you can!”
NJ Transit appeared ready to meet the demand early in the day. As droves of exuberant fans departed the stadium, shuttle buses ran immediately and departed just as fast as transit aids moved fans in the right direction. An equally efficient second line to the train shuttles to Secaucus Junction on the opposite side was never filled to capacity and virtually non-existent by 9:19 pm.
An NJ Transit employee wears very visible shirt that World Cup ambassadors will wear. The Ambassadors help fans navigate to trains and buses to and from MetLife Stadium and answer questions.SL
Immediately after the match, getting out from the rideshare area went slower than NJ Transit, according to fans.
Gabby Fonseca and Lerisse Aliagri spread their Brazilian flags on a small patch of grass and laid down for a bit on their makeshift blankets while waiting for an Uber pickup at Meadowlands racetrack.
The two friends traveled from Boston and then arrived at the stadium via rideshare from a friend’s house in Belleville. They were two in a crowd of about 500 waiting to head to an assigned lane where they would meet their Uber driver.
Time was starting to add up as the night crept toward 9:30 p.m. Around crowds, staff members tried to calm nerves by handing out free bottles of water. A DJ played music while more staff members directed travelers.
“We enjoyed everything that was happening, but now, it’s taking forever. It’s been 30 minutes, and it’s still adding more time,” Fonseca said. “I feel like if they didn’t have the options for us to go, they should at least let us get to an open place that we can walk far away from the stadium — because it takes so long for the Uber to get in here.”
Several riders felt the wait time was to be expected and avoided catastrophic levels of frustration with rideshare apps. Overwhelmingly, the flow and numbers of customers waiting kept moving. There were no long lines or people stranded. Uber also offered a flat-rate $49 fee for a shuttle to Central Park and Newport Mall in Jersey City.
“Considering 80,000 people came to one stadium, it’s not anything I wouldn’t expect,” said Lorin Hickman, who traveled for the game from Chicago and used Lyft.
A steady flow of fans trekked about a mile from the racetrack — the designated ride-share area — to the stadium. By 10 p.m. the waiting area had about 500 people waiting for rides and another hundred or so lingering around the racetrack.
There were long lines of cars in traffic driving towards the racetrack between 6 and 7 p.m. Rodrigo Profeta walked the final stretch into the stadium after his Uber got stuck in traffic on Paterson Plank Road. After the game, he waited with a friend for a ride back to their hotel in Parsippany.
“I suppose it is a little bit of a wait for everyone,” Profeta said. “Everyone’s trying to get home so there’s not really anything that we can complain about. We just got to wait.”
From there, it only got worse. As midnight neared on the day of the World Cup returned to New Jersey, many fans were still trying to get home.
“I’ve been waiting here since 9 p.m.,” Kubik said. “The times just keep changing.”
No train line has the capacity to move 100,000 people from one station in a reasonable amount of time; these stadiums NEED parking in order for people to leave in a reasonable amount of time. The transit-dependent stadiums are usually located near numerous lines (and most are much smaller than NFL stadiums):
Also note that a lot of the time, the stations are further away than the furthest parking spots are at a stadium with surface parking.
It's funny, developers also hate big parking lots because they don't produce any rent and they cost more to maintain. The amount of parking required for a site is dictated by zoning codes, based on either square footage or occupancy, and the variation in what's considered adequate parking between jurisdictions is absolutely wild.
Parking minimums are one of the most misunderstood things that urbanists complain about, it always affected new development and usually downtowns were exempted (they will tell you with a straight face that the downtowns were "torn down for parking minimums") and usually cities that "get rid of parking minimums" actually just review parking on a case-by-case basis which means large but lower-volume retail stores like At Home or Floor & Decor can get away with less parking.
A lot of developers are actually starting to backfill their oversized parking lots with more commercial tenants to make them profitable, but I'm assuming urbanites are still mad about this since it's just more capitalist sprawl and not low-income housing or community gardens or whatever.
In developer-speak, those are "pad sites", some of which were already designed to be used as development from day one but never got the demand for it. About five or so years ago they built a Dutch Bros in the parking lot of a shopping center built in 1982 but if you actually went back and looked at the original plans they had marked that out as a potential new fast food site or something similar from day one. I think I mentioned pad sites and in-fill earlier, but again, those "don't count" because they're not the "right" sort of development.
In developer-speak, those are "pad sites", some of which were already designed to be used as development from day one but never got the demand for it. About five or so years ago they built a Dutch Bros in the parking lot of a shopping center built in 1982 but if you actually went back and looked at the original plans they had marked that out as a potential new fast food site or something similar from day one. I think I mentioned pad sites and in-fill earlier, but again, those "don't count" because they're not the "right" sort of development.
Yeah, I meant places are starting to develop their parking lots beyond the first round of outlot sites you typically see on the periphery of a shopping center. I just wrapped up a restaurant project where the property owner of a mall carved a new lot out of their existing parking area because the parking was going unused, and I've got two more in different states where the owner is doing the same thing.
I've mostly been seeing it in developments where the anchor tenant is a mall or a large clothing store or another type of business that's lost traffic to people shopping online, and they just don't have as many people actually driving there and parking cars anymore. Local jurisdictions are usually fine with it as long as you file your variance for the parking count/shared parking agreement and make sure requirements are being met for the new establishment - they don't make any money on empty parking lots either.
I've mostly been seeing it in developments where the anchor tenant is a mall or a large clothing store or another type of business that's lost traffic to people shopping online, and they just don't have as many people actually driving there and parking cars anymore. Local jurisdictions are usually fine with it as long as you file your variance for the parking count/shared parking agreement and make sure requirements are being met for the new establishment - they don't make any money on empty parking lots either.
The whole "parking lots don't make money" issue is brought up by urbanists, but then they'll ignore issues like subsidized housing and parks and other stuff, because sometimes things are there to add value to something else. A sign visible from the road for a business costs them something, for instance, but if they didn't have a big sign, people might miss it or not stop by and that can impact their actual business. We see this when urbanists talking about parking for housing, but as we saw with Culdesac, no free parking for residents doesn't create cheaper housing (on the renters' end at least), and they ended up just building a parking lot there anyway.
The simplest analogy is having a toilet in your apartment. Sure, it takes up space and you're not using it 95% of the time, but it's essential to have and would be a hard sell if it didn't exist.
I know in the specific cases of malls, I know that the local mall's Sears chopped off some of its parking lot (that it owned) for the development of two new restaurants, but that's more in relation to the fact that the company was (notoriously) run into the ground by a hedge fund manager who sought to extract the company's assets rather than making it a good place to shop.
The biggest difference between what you're talking about and what urbanists are talking about is that they're not talking about using parking that really isn't needed anymore for the development of a new Cheesecake Factory restaurant, they want those things redeveloped as bughives on principle, whether such a thing is economically justified or not.
Yeah, I meant places are starting to develop their parking lots beyond the first round of outlot sites you typically see on the periphery of a shopping center. I just wrapped up a restaurant project where the property owner of a mall carved a new lot out of their existing parking area because the parking was going unused, and I've got two more in different states where the owner is doing the same thing.
I've mostly been seeing it in developments where the anchor tenant is a mall or a large clothing store or another type of business that's lost traffic to people shopping online, and they just don't have as many people actually driving there and parking cars anymore. Local jurisdictions are usually fine with it as long as you file your variance for the parking count/shared parking agreement and make sure requirements are being met for the new establishment - they don't make any money on empty parking lots either.
The Dallas Stars (NHL team) are turning an old mall into an arena/entertainment district. The renders show them keeping some of the mall’s parking garages because a hockey arena actually has less draw than malls did before the internet:
They're leaving their downtown, transit-accessible arena located in a walkable mixed-use neighborhood because most of the bugmen who live there don't watch games and because the team owner doesn't own any of the surrounding real estate:
Attractions ALWAYS follow their customers and sports fans are mostly suburbanites with families, not childless yuppies. Random beach and ski towns have as many luxury stores and fine dining restaurants as major metropolitan cities with orders of magnitude more population because the number of actual customers is similar (they don't care about the millions of poors who can't afford their wares). Monaco (population 38,000) is the most famous example, but everywhere the rich frequent is like that.
Not to power level too much but I grew up in Santa Clara. My mom made me get a summer job at 16, her driving me was like 20 minutes but the light rail took an hour and a half. Absolute dogshit system.
Not to power level too much but I grew up in Santa Clara. My mom made me get a summer job at 16, her driving me was like 20 minutes but the light rail took an hour and a half. Absolute dogshit system.
