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r/fuckcars / Not Just Bikes / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design
In my mind it's pretty simple.
15 minutes is the minimum time you need to walk to the next occupied residence.
15 minutes is the minimum time you need to drive to the nearest city limits.
No one should live any closer than that.
People massively favor commieblocks in east yuro countries.. They are cheap, comfortable and well integrated into city infrastructure meaning commuting is trivial and cities remain lively middle class places, instead of becoming nigger hellholes or gentrified hipstertowns. There is a reason why east europe has over 90% homeowner rate.
I'd say the main strength of eastern yuro design from my trip to Moscow is moreso the fact that they figured out how to have options without fucking over cars. You can walk, cycle, take public transport or drive and none of these conflict with one another and there is no mode of transport where you feel like you're actively fighting the city's design.
Whether commieblocks are "cheap and comfortable" really, REALLY depends on what leader built them. From what I know, Putinkas are pretty decent but Kruschevkas are crap and actively falling apart. I think Brezhnevkas are also considered decent? Medvedevkas don't exist formally but at least my frens there like basically every building that was built in his term.
Literally every american urban design catastrophe, slums, white fight, suburbanization, urban sprawl, endless burgerpunk parking lots, the projects, etc. all happened because people want to get away from niggers. Without niggers, everything is possible.
You don't realize that you are the nigger despite your skin color. You've never been to America? No wonder you post like a redditor. Maybe read about all the wonder you subhumans are experiencing from traveling in for the World Cup.
In my mind it's pretty simple.
15 minutes is the minimum time you need to walk to the next occupied residence.
15 minutes is the minimum time you need to drive to the nearest city limits.
No one should live any closer than that.
I'd say a mall within 15 minutes of a suburb should be pretty good. I think one ought to be able to grab a bag of chips for movie night after realizing they are out of them. All the comfort of a walkable bbc without the black people
Completely wrong. People massively favor commieblocks in east yuro countries.. They are cheap, comfortable and well integrated into city infrastructure meaning commuting is trivial and cities remain lively middle class places, instead of becoming nigger hellholes or gentrified hipstertowns. There is a reason why east europe has over 90% homeowner rate.
Literally every american urban design catastrophe, slums, white fight, suburbanization, urban sprawl, endless burgerpunk parking lots, the projects, etc. all happened because people want to get away from niggers. Without niggers, everything is possible.
Suburbs grew from wealth despite what Reddit tells you. That's why very white cities (at the time of the 1960s-1970s) still had massive suburban growth, Canada had suburbs to an extent, Australia had suburbs to an extent. Bombed-out Europoors not so much.
It's a hypothetical city that urban planners envision where services are distributed so you don't need to 'travel' more than fifteen minutes for most outings. The concept begins to fall apart when you ask them how, exactly, it's supposed to be created and maintained. How are you supposed to evenly distribute grocery stores, doctors offices, laundromats, clothes shops, hardware etc. in an ostensibly free country? What happens when the grocery store at 4th and Main closes down because the owners died and nobody wanted to take it over? How are the neighborhood screw-and-hammer stores supposed to compete with the Mega-Lo Mart in the suburbs? Proponents can't answer these questions without fidgeting and muttering something about 'regulations' which is where the conspiracy theory arose that 15-minute cities are about restricting travel to 15 minutes from your home.
EDIT: travel is in quotes because they're never clear about whether that's 15 minutes by foot, by e-bike or by bus, all of which would suggest seriously different planning concepts .
Urbanists: “American stadiums suck, they’re surrounded by a sea of parking with nothing nearby. They’re horrible to get in and out of”.
Tourist from Urban Heaven: “The stadium was awesome and the surroundings were even better! I loved WalMart and bought some cool souvenirs. The Uber even came instantly!”: Source(Archive)
Suburbs grew from wealth despite what Reddit tells you. That's why very white cities (at the time of the 1960s-1970s) still had massive suburban growth, Canada had suburbs to an extent, Australia had suburbs to an extent. Bombed-out Europoors not so much.
Toronto (until recently at least) is the sprawlsiest city I can think of and it did not grow that way due to running away from nignogs.
People like having space, families like having bedrooms and yards, just about everyone likes new construction and prefer driving to cramming into busses/trains.
Toronto seemed to flip when politicians failed to adequately respond to growth by building new infrastructure. When a 2h megacommute becomes normal due to planning failures yeah you start to see living in 400sqft in a shoebox on the 97th floor seeming reasonable. This isn't anything desirable outside of failing to build highways, trains, or really any means of moving people around.
That's the other thing, I don't get why Europoors, Indians, and retards are so hung up over parking lots. Usually it's because it's "they take up space" that could be used to build bughives for third-worlders, but with parking lots, it's easy, you can just drive your car there, park, and walk inside. Plus, the parking lots allow ample space to load and unload cargo, which is almost never considered.
Urbanists: “American stadiums suck, they’re surrounded by a sea of parking with nothing nearby. They’re horrible to get in and out of”.
Tourist from Urban Heaven: “The stadium was awesome and the surroundings were even better! I loved WalMart and bought some cool souvenirs. The Uber even came instantly!”: Wyświetl załącznik 9150623 Source(Archive)
Watching people from the rest of the world experience what America actually is because of the world cup has been pretty awesome as someone that thinks America is pretty fucking great. So much shit that we take for granted is amazing to them.
Watching people from the rest of the world experience what America actually is because of the world cup has been pretty awesome as someone that thinks America is pretty fucking great. So much shit that we take for granted is amazing to them.
It's a hypothetical city that urban planners envision where services are distributed so you don't need to 'travel' more than fifteen minutes for most outings. The concept begins to fall apart when you ask them how, exactly, it's supposed to be created and maintained. How are you supposed to evenly distribute grocery stores, doctors offices, laundromats, clothes shops, hardware etc. in an ostensibly free country? What happens when the grocery store at 4th and Main closes down because the owners died and nobody wanted to take it over? How are the neighborhood screw-and-hammer stores supposed to compete with the Mega-Lo Mart in the suburbs? Proponents can't answer these questions without fidgeting and muttering something about 'regulations' which is where the conspiracy theory arose that 15-minute cities are about restricting travel to 15 minutes from your home.
Well, the simple way is to economically incentivize opening stores and other businesses in the city in a way that brings a tangible benefit to the store owner. I don't think urbanists tend to do that though because 90% of their beloved cities's businesses are mob run barbershops and iphone case stores.
EDIT: travel is in quotes because they're never clear about whether that's 15 minutes by foot, by e-bike or by bus, all of which would suggest seriously different planning concepts .
Urbanits tend to say "15 minutes by walking or cycling", IMO that's retarded and you should design around a 15 minute distance for WALKING if you want to make a WALKABLE city.
Completely wrong. People massively favor commieblocks in east yuro countries.. They are cheap, comfortable and well integrated into city infrastructure meaning commuting is trivial and cities remain lively middle class places, instead of becoming nigger hellholes or gentrified hipstertowns. There is a reason why east europe has over 90% homeowner rate.
No, I agree with you there, with the caveat that I do live in a standalone house and plan to move to the literal middle of nowhere in Poland.
The following comes with the assumption that you aren't bankrolled by the bank of Mom and Dad, ie they didn't buy you your first flat, a car, etc
As a student or as fresh parents your options are:
-a house- too expensive to rent or own just yet, plus you need to take care of it and its surroundings and probably need a car. This is absolutely doable once you work a bit and finally have money for better things in life, but with a house/car/yard combo comes a lot of responsibilities and costs that are offputting for younger adults.
-euro style townhouse, something like this:
No elevator, you're paying through the nose because it's """historic""", you'll be hot in the summer and cold in the winter, you better pray that the building manager actually cares about the property (regular maintenance with the guidelines set up by the city's heritage conservator), no elevator, the ceilings are high as hell (looks great, impossible to heat), no elevator, probably no parking anywhere close, there's probably no space for a bike either. The flats themselves are surprisingly spacious and they can look lovely but day to day living there sucks.
So that leaves us with:
-commie blocks! Sure, they look ugly as sin on the outside, especially if the building manager pulls out some retarded color combos:
But it's the inside that counts The flats were meant to house entire families, so there usually is enough-ish space, balconies are common, there are elevators, the walls are thick, there are parking spaces around the blocks themselves, sheds for the bikes, a big cellar. Those blocks are well-connected with the rest of the city, are heavily surrounded with trees, have their own parks and spaces for kids (playgrounds, football fields, etc), there is usually a bakery or two, a few stores, a church or two, a cobbler, a vet, a kindergarten, a pharmacy, and so on. And, most importantly, they're CHEAP. Heating them in winter is cheap. If you want to own a car- there is some space to keep it, but if you want to live cheaply- no need, the tram is 2 minutes away on foot. There is everything a young parent, a student or an old granny may need. I lived in one of those during my uni time and even though I'm definitely not in a hurry to live in those blocks again- I did enjoy the convenience.
Due to our specific historical circumstances housing choices between Eastern Europe and the US are just so wildly different. I know that in this thread we equally laugh at the "you VILL live in a pod" crowd and agree on the superiority of living in a standalone house with a car but because of those same historical circumstances commie blocks are a genuinely fantastic option for a large portion of society here. Living in one of those neighborhoods is simply cheap and convenient. It's not perfect, but it's really damn convenient, especially when the available alternatives require a much bigger financial commitment and some significant lifestyle changes; and let's not fool ourselves- most people don't feel the need to change anything when their current situation is safe and comfortable enough. The concept of suburban housing with gardens is only just developing here, it's expensive, and the roads often aren't built to handle the increased traffic
Nobody is claiming commie blocks are some hidden gem or the dream option- if we had the same suburban infrastructure the US has, sure, a lot of those people would probably live there instead. But we don't and within the options that are actually available and affordable, commie blocks genuinely deliver. Sometimes good enough and actually accessible beats perfect and out of reach
I hope this helps my American friends in this thread better understand why commie blocks are such a popular option here
With that being said- I wish I could finally mow the goddamn lawn, it's been raining non-stop recently and the lawn looks like shit. The pain, I wish I could just hire mexicans to do it for me
No, I'm not joking. Lots of Utopianists (the historical name of what we call urbanists in this thread) are collectivists of some stripe or other, usually leaning towards a techno-communist flavor.
Did you ever read The Giver as a kid? The society shown in The Giver is their New Eden, though with (maybe) less forced euthenasia.
I'm suprised that Workers and Resources: Soviet Republic doesn't get more mentions considering building walkable cities and designing efficient public transport is one of the main parts of the game.
And half the time the mechanic is annoying, causes you inconvenience, buses are a mess to manage, etc. etc. Game is absolutely amazing, if you are willing to overlook the difficulty cliff, the "waiting for anything to happen", the janky construction mechanics, and the PS2 lookin' graphics.
There is everything a young parent, a student or an old granny may need. I lived in one of those during my uni time and even though I'm definitely not in a hurry to live in those blocks again- I did enjoy the convenience.
The apartments inside these were also pretty well designed, for the most part. Cozy, enough rooms for a family and get togethers.
I know it's impossible for the burgers to comprehend but there is a lot of nostalgia tied into them too. Everyone lived in an apartment, basically. It's a different kind of situation when actual families live in an apartment as a home vs. in America apartments are largely seen as transitory, a place you live in until you buy a house.
The flats were meant to house entire families, so there usually is enough-ish space, balconies are common, there are elevators, the walls are thick, there are parking spaces around the blocks themselves, sheds for the bikes, a big cellar. Those blocks are well-connected with the rest of the city, are heavily surrounded with trees, have their own parks and spaces for kids (playgrounds, football fields, etc), there is usually a bakery or two, a few stores, a church or two, a cobbler, a vet, a kindergarten, a pharmacy, and so on. And, most importantly, they're CHEAP. Heating them in winter is cheap. If you want to own a car- there is some space to keep it, but if you want to live cheaply- no need, the tram is 2 minutes away on foot. There is everything a young parent, a student or an old granny may need. I lived in one of those during my uni time and even though I'm definitely not in a hurry to live in those blocks again- I did enjoy the convenience.
