Psychiatry - the crazy people who treat our craziness

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It's definitely the least scientific field of medicine next to Psychology. (Although, I'd count Chiropractic medicine if it was a real field.) I dunno, it's definitely good to try and figure out how people work, but the abuse potential is so high when most things are based on conjecture, money, and opinion.
 
It's a very misguided field with a group that honestly want the best and a group that honestly wants the easy fix, to be fair I could not tell you the ratios.

Now I want to say with out powerlevel or bias or being treated by these people i've met some whom are very respected in field and feel it's PART of treatment. I've met some who think pills are magic.

I think it's the same with basic shrinks we humans hate to admit we don't understand something, mental problems and illness is something we can't really grasp, we have the basics. But we feel we really know it. I'm sorry Freud was a joke and honestly sucked a "wizard" off.. lol I'm sorry he's the retard not me. Many people on both sides of mental health care are throwing him out for good reason.

There are some people who you need to pill up, for either safety or quality of life. Regardless how you feel about healthcare, let's be real if a pill leaves you a semi drooling dummy, it's better than you functional and thinking Jodi Foster wants me to shoot a school up. Because that we've seen. Now, in regards meds are a lot better but so many nasty side effects, that's why many people with mental problems refuse them. But, Prozac at it's worst is not a lobotomy or some of the other barbaric care methods applied to people.

Some meds are very low on side effects and someone who understands a disorder and knows the human body, we have just better quality of life, I lean to things like AD(H)D. Now, my heart is out to you you need meds your life, but something like, Ritilan, given to people who HONESTLY need it, you just have a better life. You can focus, you can think. There's many kinds and if you have other issues health wise you can move to that. That's a good part for Psychiatry.

Tech is getting better and better, some docs are shit, and big pharma isn't moral. So I fully understand why people hate this, and I frankly am not over all a fan. But, it's getting better. Sadly us people feel we are running when we are barely walking in regards to knowing how we tick. But we do have some drugs out there that just, improve lives and over all that's good.

Over all and my personal thoughts are it's an line of work that many people in it want to do good, but are fucked out of it due to the fact we really don't know much. The ones who are good and can write pills, are still going to hound you talk therapy, and see meds as one tool in the box. Also any one who's willing to pull you off meds is a good sign.
 
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Some meds are very low on side effects and someone who understands a disorder and knows the human body, we have just better quality of life, I lean to things like AD(H)D. Now, my heart is out to you you need meds your life, but something like, Ritilan, given to people who HONESTLY need it, you just have a better life. You can focus, you can think. There's many kinds and if you have other issues health wise you can move to that. That's a good part for Psychiatry.
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This is part of my issue, though. It's interesting that, as much as you might think psychoanalysis should work, it really doesn't do dick. I'm speaking classical Freudian/Jungian shit where someone talks to you for an hour and actually puts serious thought into what is your psychological makeup, takes detailed notes, etc. And it turns out that's damn near useless.

But SSRIs, antipsychotics, even shit like Ritalin, seems to work. It's somewhat disheartening. You think you're a spirit in a body. Instead you're just a bucket of brains in a shell. Most things that are wrong with those brains are apparently better fixed by just dumping in another chemical than by thinking or even praying. At least so it seems.
 
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This is part of my issue, though. It's interesting that, as much as you might think psychoanalysis should work, it really doesn't do dick. I'm speaking classical Freudian/Jungian shit where someone talks to you for an hour and actually puts serious thought into what is your psychological makeup, takes detailed notes, etc. And it turns out that's damn near useless.

But SSRIs, antipsychotics, even shit like Ritalin, seems to work. It's somewhat disheartening. You think you're a spirit in a body. Instead you're just a bucket of brains in a shell. Most things that are wrong with those brains are apparently better fixed by just dumping in another chemical than by thinking or even praying. At least so it seems.
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Absolutely, well I can expand on why I think that if you want.

But, I feel end of the day a huge fear of humanity is biology, being so basic. If you are depressed, no matter the reason, you are short happy drugs being made in your body, if you chop down drugs that make you happy.. you could be cheerier.

It's part of why I think so many are heavy handed with meds, not out of evil but as you said... that seems to work better.
 
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But SSRIs, antipsychotics, even shit like Ritalin, seems to work. It's somewhat disheartening. You think you're a spirit in a body. Instead you're just a bucket of brains in a shell. Most things that are wrong with those brains are apparently better fixed by just dumping in another chemical than by thinking or even praying. At least so it seems.
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Well, that really depends on what it is. ADHD in kids for instance. How much of that is fad diagnosis, like Asperger's? How much childhood hyperactivity does it take to distinguish normal spazoid kid behavior, and whatever the hell "real ADHD" is? Why have people failed to realize that putting kids on amphetamine salts makes dead-eyed, non-creative, consumerist adults? Sometimes, the quick fix of a pill does some massive fucking damage to you later on, especially the first 3 generations of antidepressants we've seen, specifically, Monoamine Oxidase (MAO*)-related anything. That shit is like Heroin, in that you literally cannot get off of it or you'll either be worse off than before, or you die.

Like you said, we're brains in a head, but just because something works right now, doesn't mean you should actually use it, when it destroys your future. Lots of these drugs get vetted by the FDA within 15 years of it's first synthesis. That is not enough time to determine whether or not it will kill you in middle. or advanced, age.
 
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On the nearly Scientology-level detestation of psychiatry, here's one from David Firth (the Salad Fingers guy).

Strangely, some of the most cutting criticism is abstract shit like this.

 
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They're not Psychologists, a plus, and they're our last line of defense. Imagine for a moment what it would be like if all of the Schizophrenics and Maniacs society manages to pop out every year were handled by garden-variety psychoanalysis-loving shrinks, rather than qualified doctors with excessive training and the ability to dole out medication.
Scary, isn't it?
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Psychoanalysis hasn't been used in clinical psychology since the mid-70s... and furthermore as a practitioner in mental health who deals with actual patients, the function of psychiatrists and clinical psychologists are not too dissimilar and the two often refer to eachother's services
 
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Psychoanalysis hasn't been used in clinical psychology since the mid-70s... and furthermore as a practitioner in mental health who deals with actual patients, the function of psychiatrists and clinical psychologists are not too dissimilar and the two often refer to eachother's services
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I'm old enough to remember those times, at least as a kid. I actually kind of miss them. Even though, as it turns out, it was so useless as to be nearly quackery.
 
One of the biggest problems with just talk therapy, is it assumes people whom go are able to adjust or be self aware or honest.

I don't know how to put it in nicer terms but let's say in theory someone is randomly angry a lot. They were sexually abused as a child. They need some help for X problem. They will not address the problem as, well I got raped but my wife is an adult so clearly I'm past it etc. If they even open up.

As for over scripting, I need a tin foil hat on it, and I think it's a reason why the field looks bad (not to say it's faultless) But again I stand by my claim and I'd be happy to cite, some issues people have better happier healthier lives due to meds only.
 
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Psychoanalysis hasn't been used in clinical psychology since the mid-70s... and furthermore as a practitioner in mental health who deals with actual patients, the function of psychiatrists and clinical psychologists are not too dissimilar and the two often refer to eachother's services
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Psychoanalysis is still pervasive in the United States as both a field of practice and a hobby of professionals that colors their work. While pure Psychoanalysists are much rarer these days, PsycSCAN still runs a serious Psychoanalysis magazine, they have their own specific publication in Psychoanalytic Psychology, and Div39 has over 4500 registered members, a majority of whom who are practicing Psychologists held in high esteem. With some overlap, there is also the APsaA, which has retained something like 3200 members.
In other words, to say that Psychoanalysis "hasn't been used" is simply untrue, even if you mean to say that you do not use it or you have not seen it used in your immediate proximity.
 
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It's a very misguided field with a group that honestly want the best and a group that honestly wants the easy fix, to be fair I could not tell you the ratios.
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The "easy fix" problem is as much the fault of the practitioners as the patients. Talk therapy takes time, takes effort, and takes cooperation. Not many patients are willing to wait months for their moods to improve.

We are also increasing protective of our personal agency; people see every order or even advice as personal affronts (this is especially common in patients with depression and personality disorders). Practitioners are at wits end when faced with someone who's set on not being cooperative.
 
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I'm old enough to remember those times, at least as a kid. I actually kind of miss them. Even though, as it turns out, it was so useless as to be nearly quackery.
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Whenever someone identifies as a "Jungian/Freudian Psychotherapist" I immediately associate them with the same people who identify as a "Creationist Doctor".
 
SSRI's work really well in making a patient homicidal. Yeah they work for some people but not everyone is depressed because of a fucking chemical imbalance. Life is fucking hard and people don't learn proper coping mechanisms so they stay on pills their whole life, the length of which is shortened by taking said pills. Medication should always be a last resort to mental illness. Even with schizophrenic patients, the medications they are given either turn them into walking zombies or eventually cause them to become effectively brain dead. At what point is this any better than just killing yourself?

People talk shit on psychologists but at the end of the day, they want you to learn how to deal with life a live it happily without being tied down to medications. In fact, in my experience, a psychiatrist doesn't give two shits about you, won't talk to you, and will refer you to a psychologist who will then, if they are good, attempt to teach you how to deal with your problems without medication. If they feel you need them, they will then write you a referral to a psychiatrist for the medication. You will then get your medications from a general practitioner unless re-diagnosis is needed.

If you think its better for people to pop Xanax every day so that they can function and once they're on them long enough they have to keep taking them so they don't have seizures, than probably don't have any grasp on what being mentally ill is like. Society is failing a massive portions of the population and that's why we have so many people taking medications. Son won't study? Give him Meth. Too afraid of failure to go look for a job? Just take a couple xanax every day. Sad that your life didn't turn out exactly how you wanted it to? Have so Zoloft.
 
This sums up my experience with psychiatry quite well:

I did this at about 10 different occassions. Zap to the extreme!

It's basically trial and error, but now we got new and improved(tm) medicine instead of barbaric physical procedures!
 
More effective than anti-depressants. It's the Quran!

Impact of Quran in Treatment of the Psychological Disorder and Spiritual Illness
  • Ali Ali Gobaili SagedEmail author
  • Mohd Yakub Zulkifli Mohd Yusoff
  • Faizuri Abdul Latif
  • Syed Mohammad Hilmi
  • Waleed Mugahed Al-Rahmi
  • Ahmed Al-Samman
  • Norma Alias
  • Akram M. Zeki
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Original Paper
First Online: 26 February 2018

Abstract
This paper studies the effect of Quranic therapy on psychological diseases and spiritual diseases. The experiments have been conducted on a random sample with 121 patients from both genders. The procedures that have been followed were different sessions with the patients, who were given some verses from the Holy Quran to listen within a specific period of time. After that, each patient was given a remedy program. This study aimed to measure the effectiveness and responsiveness of patients to receive treatment through Quran. This study highlighted the employment of a quantitative research, which achieved its objective through validity and reliability. The results of the effectiveness factor came after ability and willingness and gave a result of 92.6% for those who support the contention that the Quran has a significant healing influence. Also, some of the patients who regularly attended Quranic therapy sessions have been successfully cured, 81.8% of the sample believe that Quranic therapy sessions support their health needs. This study has empirically proved that the sound of the Holy Quran is an effective treatment for those who suffer from spiritual and psychological issues. Folk medicine and other traditional methods of treatment are important field of study that require further investigation. The study also illustrates that it’s highly important for patient to have confidence in his doctor or healer. Furthermore, our results show that the ability and willingness positively and significantly are related to the effectiveness and responsiveness, also effectiveness positively and significantly related to the responsiveness. Therefore, the patients satisfied to receive treatment through Quran and they have the ability and willingness to do so as they believe that Quran is an essential part of their life.

Keywords
Psychological disorder Spiritual diseases Ability and willingness Effectiveness Response
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If it doesn't cure you, can they throw you off a building?
 
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