Outdoor cat hysteria: the birdocaust

[Merried Senior Comic]

I keep my kitties inside because I love them and I don’t want them to get run over by a car or attacked by a shitbull.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

There are a lot of posts typed by dog paws in this thread, you know who you are

 

[Bonesjones]

There are a lot of posts typed by dog paws in this thread, you know who you are

No one can know I am a herd of daschunds posting by putting tennis balls into an autolauncher and shooting thousands of them at a giant keyboard

 

[Otterly]

a cat is never a threat to any human except maybe tiny toddlers who can't even walk yet.

I dunno I was somewhere yesterday and got given a very withering glance by the resident cat. I felt quite affronted.
(It was in high dudgeon because someone had brought a dog to the event.)

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

The Virgin culling cats to save birds
The Chad food subsidizing cats to cull birds

the grumpiest middle eastern man in the world will see a cat and at least smile. the hatred for a curious, mischievous creature that is not an obedient slave, very jewish. very perverse.
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I agree with the Muslims that cats are semi-angelic creatures. Like fleshy material guardian angels. Having them around dispels demons.

 

[Agamemnon Busmalis]

The Virgin culling cats to save birds
The Chad food subsidizing cats to cull birds

 

[naaaaiiiiillllll!!!]

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[Kiwisee]

Mass migration has done far more ecological damage than cats existing does.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

I keep my cat indoors because she'd start a gang if I give her any freedom. Do you want the cat version of the Crips?

I agree with the Muslims that cats are semi-angelic creatures. Like fleshy material guardian angels. Having them around dispels demons.

Maybe in the be not afraid sense of angelic.

 

[Getmeout]

This thread is proving my point nicely!!!

Look at the unprompted violent rhetoric from the subhumans in here. They can barely keep themselves from sperging about how much they want to murder cats for existing. (Ohio and other states have explicitly ruled that killing feral cats is as illegal as owned ones btw) And they have to use outdated stereotypes from 1990 about cat ladies. Newsflash retards, it's the current year. It's all millennial doggo moms now bitching about kids being in restaurants. Cat ladies are just chilling.

As nicely as I can say this, you're acting similarly silly. I agree that the violence isn't warranted, but the solution is simply "Cats should be kept inside", but even this seems to trigger you. As if the idea that a cat could ever be a negative for any area anywhere is offensive to you, or rather, you have this weird idea in your head that if the "birdocaust" was real, then that would somehow justify genociding cats? Like if outdoor cats really did hurt the environment, then we should kill them all, rather than... Not keep them outside.

It's real, as you yourself have acknowledged. There's lots of statistics and studies on it, yet you brush them aside with "I don't believe it because I am not currently seeing it with my two eyes.". I would say that it's the usual "I ate today ergo world hunger does not exist" thing, except you don't even say that you're NOT seeing this happen, just that the mere idea is ludicrous to you because it's cats doing something bad. Cause lets be honest, if there were studies saying dogs killed birds en masse, you'd immediately be nodding your head.

A lot of people in this thread seem to have resigned to the idea of "Even if it is true... Well, too bad, environment's just gonna have to deal" as if it's either outdoor cats or mass cat genocide. You can like feral cats whilst acknowledging they're not a "good" thing in the same way you can like a bad movie. When I see a bad movie, I don't feel like I have to kill the director.

"I love cats, needless violence of them is awful" and "Cats kill a lot of birds, they should be kept indoors" are not only NOT mutually exclusive sentences, but I'd even dare say they're mutually inclusive. Cause if you like cats you'd think you'd WANNA spend more time with them rather than kick them out your house for fun.

What I don't get about this crowd is, even if you want your cat to be outdoors sooo so so badly, why not just follow it where it goes? And if you see it try to attack some bird, just shoo it off.

 

[millais]

I wonder about the quality of life of the animals in those stray cat colonies that the local cat lady facebook group keep feeding and allowing to breed. They don't regularly leave water for them, just piles of dry cat food every few days and very occasionally a container of stagnant water. I heard that no water and dry food is bad for cats' kidneys and would not be recommended for pet cats.

And the cats somehow survive the extended winter freezes every year, not sure how, but that can't be good for them either. The summer heatwaves are probably not bad for them, except for the lack of water.

I don't think they can hunt for themselves. Hardly ever any evidence of dead birds, and the cats are so habituated to being fed by the cat ladies that the cats will gather around any vehicle that stops or any person carrying stuff in their arms, thinking that it is one of the cat ladies bringing food.

Seems to me they just live to suffer and occasionally get run over or cruelly killed by Mexicans or homeless. And the cats keep being allowed to breed, just perpetuating the suffering. Each subsequent generation seems scrawnier and smaller than the previous.

 

[Echinacea]

@Getmeout
Yes, I have engaged in a bit of hyperbole. Sometimes it feels good to throw the outrageousness back at the cat haters. I made this thread after seeing endless, horrible violent comments about cats from regular people for years.

I agree with you that cats should be kept indoors. But the alleged numbers of birds killed are absolutely ridiculous. Cats are not killing half the north american bird population every year. also these people are very misleading as they try to imply cats are only killing native birds. if a good number of those birds killed are "invasive", then what is the harm? It is very obvious western society has a weird cat hate thing going on and the birdocaust is an ad hoc justification to cruelly kill them.

I wonder about the quality of life of the animals in those stray cat colonies that the local cat lady facebook group keep feeding and allowing to breed. They don't regularly leave water for them, just piles of dry cat food every few days and very occasionally a container of stagnant water. I heard that no water and dry food is bad for cats' kidneys and would not be recommended for pet cats.

And the cats somehow survive the extended winter freezes every year, not sure how, but that can't be good for them either. The summer heatwaves are probably not bad for them, except for the lack of water.

I don't think they can hunt for themselves. Hardly ever any evidence of dead birds, and the cats are so habituated to being fed by the cat ladies that the cats will gather around any vehicle that stops or any person carrying stuff in their arms, thinking that it is one of the cat ladies bringing food.

Seems to me they just live to suffer and occasionally get run over or cruelly killed by Mexicans or homeless. And the cats keep being allowed to breed, just perpetuating the suffering. Each subsequent generation seems scrawnier and smaller than the previous.

This is why TNR is important.

 

[Getmeout]

Yes, I have engaged in a bit of hyperbole. Sometimes it feels good to throw the outrageousness back at the cat haters. I made this thread after seeing endless, horrible violent comments about cats from regular people for years.

That's fair, just matching their energy. Just don't let edgelord's torture fantasies over the internet get to you too much. It helps if you remember that a lot of cruelty towards animals is a desire for power, and these people just want a punching bag.

I agree with you that cats should be kept indoors. But the alleged numbers of birds killed are absolutely ridiculous. Cats are not killing half the north american bird population every year. also these people are very misleading as they try to imply cats are only killing native birds. if a good number of those birds killed are "invasive", then what is the harm? It is very obvious western society has a weird cat hate thing going on and the birdocaust is an ad hoc justification to cruelly kill them.

A lot of people use certain things to justify cruelty, but that doesn't mean the thing just doesn't exist. I won't dump articles on you, but there's a lot of PRO-CAT sources that have done the research and have found, ya. It really is that bad. If you really think about it, it's not a crazy metric. There's a lot of outdoor cats and most cats are skilled at killing birds and they never get bored of it. Most outdoor cats kill for fun. Again, this doesn't make the cat "bad" and it doesn't justify killing them. But it does justify some scrutiny towards "outdoor cat" owners. It's a problem of us humans, not cats.

In America, we tend to believe that if an animal inconveniences us, it gives us the right to kill it. For some reason. It's weird, it's like we think animals have a concept of morality. As for the cat hate, I think it just comes from different love languages. Dogs love language is easier to understand for the average person, it's why kids get dogs as their first pets rather than cats. You sorta gotta do research before owning a cat to get anything positive out of the experience, and America doesn't like to read. At the same time, I don't like most cat owners, cause they tend to feel vindicated to be just as annoying as dog owners because of this disparity. And they're "allowed" to cause "Blah blah dogs".

 

[Echinacea]

@Getmeout
Yes. part of me is just damn tired of seeing nobody stick up for children or cats. i feel the need to be extra loud to compensate.

you can post some evidence if you'd like as you mentioned above. its on topic after all

 

[browserbowser]

Yes. part of me is just damn tired of seeing nobody stick up for children or cats.

Ah, yes, the two least defended groups everyone knows of: "the children" and cats on the Internet.

 

[Getmeout]

Yes. part of me is just damn tired of seeing nobody stick up for children or cats. i feel the need to be extra loud to compensate.

I can understand that, I also get kinda loud in the case of outdoor cats cause animal neglect makes me MATI.

you can post some evidence if you'd like as you mentioned above. its on topic after all

A Kiwifarmer actually broke it down pretty well tbh. Props to him

While cats do have a negative impact in Europe cause of shear numbers, the impact in Africa, Europe, and Asia isn't nearly as big as in Australia or North America, since there are native wildcat species throughout Afroeurasia that are very similar in size and capabilities to the domestic cat (including the straight up wild ancestors of the housecat in the case of the Middle East and North Africa, the Libyan Wildcat) so species are more used to dealing with them as predators

There's also an article by the Feline Research Org where they push against how bad it is pretty hard, but ultimately still do admit it is happening

Ultimately ya I don't hate cats, they're just safer indoors. Spend time with your cat instead of... Kicking it out? It's not "keeping it under lock and key", it's owning a pet that you care about.

 

[Cheetahman]

But the alleged numbers of birds killed are absolutely ridiculous. Cats are not killing half the north american bird population every year. also these people are very misleading as they try to imply cats are only killing native birds. if a good number of those birds killed are "invasive", then what is the harm?

"It's not happening, and if it was happening, it's not that big of a deal, and if it was a big deal, it's actually a good thing"

 

[Echinacea]

glad i made this just for the seethe alone

 

[ThePozzedOutCritic]

A lot of the data on outdoor cats seems very American centric imo. I'd be interested to hear on the effects in Europe. I have a suspicion that the effect is less bad to negligible because europe used to have a vast wildcat population (european cats are even heavily mixed with them).
People don't think about this but not all invasives are actually bad for the environment.
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@Getmeout sorry I didn't see your post. Pretty much confirms what I thought.

 

[ELF SHOT LAME WITCH]

I do not care about cats or birds but this seems like an attempt to use the media to create the impression that the real reason for the birdcaust, the sudden and widespread installation of windmills for wind energy, is something else.

It’s like the articles about how the carnivore diet was killing hundreds of athletes after the mRNA vaccines, or about winter vagina after a generation of women took birth control for decades and waited until 42 to have kids.