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I made this thread a while back about prominent names connected to NAMBLA. Since then I have noticed some other stuff worth mentioning that I don't think has been gone over much. Much of these names originate from this page: https://www.nambla.org/people.htm
I also want to document wikipedia's massive cover up of pedophilia (also documented in my previous NAMBLA thread), as I think it is quite incredible and I personally had a 15 year old account suspended for carefully improving an infamous pedophile's wikipedia page. Notably, WP co-founder Larry Sanger has at times been outspoken about the issue of pedophile support/complicity on WP.
(Note: ((())) added to some names by my Coincidence Detector add-on.)
I will start with the highly respected Larry Kramer, who openly supported pedophilia, as shown on NAMBLA's site here:
https://www.nambla.org/kramer.html :
"In those cases where children do have sex with their homosexual elders... I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity,and perhaps even solicits it, either because of a natural curiosity...or because he or she is homosexual and innately knows it. ... And unlike girls or women forced into rape or traumatized, most gay men have warm memories of their earliest and early sexual encounters; when we share these stories with each other, they are invariably positive ones."
Here is a 20 year old post on his small wikipedia Talk page pointing out his support:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Larry_Kramer#c-Sam_Spade-2005-07-14T00:04:00.000Z-Quote
(largely a repeat of the above quote)
"In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it, either because of a natural curiosity that will or will not develop along these lines, or because he or she is homosexual and innately knows it. This is far from "recruitment." Obviously, there are instances in which the child is unwilling, and is a victim of sexual abuse, homo- or heterosexual. But, as with straight children anxious for the experience with someone of the opposite sex, these are kids who seek solicit, and consent willingly to sex with someone of the same sex. And unlike girls or women forced into rape and traumatized, most gay men have warm memories of their earliest and early sexual encounters; when we share these stories with each other, they are invariably positive ones." Kramer, L (1981) Reports from the Holocaust. NY: St. Martin's Press p.234)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Kramer ctrl+F "pedo"=0 results. Nambla =0
(I won't go into how Kramer also was pivotal to both the spread of HIV and the spread of HIV hysteria.)
#2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia
She was very involved in pedophilia controversy in the 90s, so WP can't totally hide her pro-pedo side. But they do their best, not mentioning her major support of pedophilia in her opening summary paragraph, instead burying it in a subsection of "Views". She supposedly changed her mind about pedophilia, but when you read her previous supportive statements, that is really hard to believe.
"In a 1997 Salon column, Paglia expressed the view that male pedophilia correlates with the heights of a civilization, stating "I have repeatedly protested the lynch-mob hysteria that dogs the issue of man-boy love. In Sexual Personae, I argued that male pedophilia is intricately intertwined with the cardinal moments of Western civilization." Paglia noted in several interviews, as well as Sexual Personae, that she supported the legalization of certain forms of child pornography"
Her book Sexual Personae was one of pedophile David Bowie's favorite books.
https://www.nambla.org/paglia.html :
Thesedays, especially in America, boy-love is not only scandalous and criminal,but somehow in bad taste. On the evening news, one sees handcuffed teachers,priests and Boy Scout leaders hustled into police vans. Therapists callthem maladjusted, emotionally immature. But beauty has its own laws, inconsistentwith Christian morality. As a woman, I feel free to protest that men todayare pilloried for something that was rational and honorable in Greece atthe height of its civilization.
#3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayle_Rubin
ctrl+f pedo =, nambla = 0
Buried in a sub-sub section, in the last paragraph of the wiki page, is this:
"In "Thinking Sex", (((Rubin))) defended "man-boy lovers" alongside sex workers, homosexuals, and BDSM practitioners, a stance that has attracted a great deal of criticism in the years since. In a 2011 reflection on "Thinking Sex", (((Rubin))) clarified that her "comments on sex and children were made in a different context", at a time in the 1980s when moral panics about Satanists and kidnappers were prevalent, and she never imagined people would claim she "supported the rape of pre-pubescents." She stated that her writings had been misconstrued by right-wingers and anti-pornography advocates."
Again you must go to the Talk page for some context:
"It is harder for most people to sympathize with actual boy-lovers. Like communists and homosexuals in the 1950s, boylovers are so stigmatized that it is difficult to find defenders for their civil liberties, let alone for their erotic orientation. Consequently, the police have feasted on them. Local police, the FBI, and watchdog postal inspectors have joined to build a huge apparatus whose sole aim is to wipe out the community of men who love underaged youth. In twenty years or so, when some of the smoke has cleared, it will be much easier to show that these men have been the victims of a savage and undeserved witch hunt. A lot of people will be embarrassed by their collaboration with this persecution, but it will be too late to do much good for those men who have spent their lives in prison." - Thinking Sex
https://www.nambla.org/rubin.html :
"Youth Liberation has argued for some time that young people should have the right to have sex as well as not to have it, and with whom they choose. The statutory structure of the sex laws has been identified as oppressive and insulting to young people. A range of sexual activities are legally defined as molestation, regardless of the quality of the relationship or the amount of consent involved. ...
The recent career of boy-love in the public mind should serve as an alert that the self-interests of the feminist and gay movement sare linked to simple justice for stigmatized sexual minorities. ... We must not reject all sexual contact between adults and young people as inherently oppressive."
~ (((Gayle Rubin))), lesbian feminist, in Leaping Lesbian, February,1978.
#4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Rule
Ctrl+f pedo =0 results, nambla =0
No mentions of pedo support in her Talk page (but it could have been deleted.)
https://www.nambla.org/janerule.html :
"My own initiation came long before I was legally adult.Though a number of males around my age offered to participate, a womanten years my senior was "responsible," at my invitation and encouragement.The only fault I find with that part of my sexual education was the limither guilt and fear put on our pleasure, the heterosexual pressure evenshe felt required to put on me. What she did "for my own good" caused bothof us pain. If I were to improve on that experience now, it would not beto protect children from adult seduction but to make adults easier to seduce,less burdened with fear or guilt, less defended by hypocrisy. ...
If we accepted sexual behaviour between children andadults, we would be far more able to protect our children from abuse andexploitation than we are now."
"Teaching Sexuality"in Flaunting It, Vancouver, New Star Press,1982.
#5
-one of the "Spirit of Stonewall" members who defended NAMBLA (see above screenshot/link.)
(Btw: Lots of interesting results for 'spirit of stonewall' on twitter.
)
ctrl+f pedo = 0, nambla = 0, spirit =0
No mention in her Talk page as well.
" I’m quite interested in NAMBLA. Actually,
very early I signed a petition opposing NAMBLA being excluded from the Center,
whatever year that was...
So, did Maxine [Wolfe]. Very early. There’s a bunch of women
who signed it because of the age-of-consent law"
"
DO: Well, it’s interesting, if you read some of the NAMBLA files, you
will here and there will come upon — and perhaps I’ve only seen this once in the
NAMBLA files — an FBI agent who admits that the NAMBLA members treat kids
better than their own parents do, and says, “You have to be careful about this, because
these NAMBLA members, they’re really sneaky. They treat these kids very well.” It’s
like, that’s a bad thing?
Schulmann: Right"
"SS: I remember when Maxine and I went to this meeting with them,
about them being thrown out of the Center, and we finally saw who they were, and
they were like creepy, icky, childish, unsocialized guys. They weren’t a great bunch."
To sadly be continued...
https://archive.org/stream/BAR_19940616/BAR_19940616_djvu.txt
Spirit of Stonewall Endorsers:
Antler, Chris Bearchell, Jim Becker, Glen Belvario
(Glenda Orgasm), Susie Bright, John Burnside, Pat Califia,
Bob Chatelle, James D’Entremont, Bill Dobbs, Allen Ginsberg,
Keith Griffith, Cris Gutierrez, Harry Hay, Liz Highleyman,
Edward Hougen, Hubert Kennedy, Shannon Thomas Kennedy,
Jim Kepner, Lee Kikuchi, Kevin Killian, Michael Lavery,
Matt Marco, John Mitzel, Debbie Nathan, Harold Norse,
John O'Brien, Scott O’Hara, Camille Paglia, Michael Petrelis,
Felice Picano, Ken Popert, Mark Pritchard, Tom Reeves,
Gayle Rubin, Sarah Schulman, David Scondras, Charley
Shively, Luke Sissyfag, Julia Smedley, David' Thorstad,
Daniel Tsang, Scott Tucker, French Wall, Phil Willkie,
Matt YVobensmith, Ian Young
ACT UP/Minnesota, Anti-Fascist Network, Baltimore Gay
Alliance, Feminists Against Censorship, Frighten the Horses,
Gayme, The Guide, Lesbian and Gay Freedom Movement
(London), Modern Words,. On our Backs, Outpunk, Pink
Triangle Press, Revolutionary Trotskyist League, Steam
I also want to document wikipedia's massive cover up of pedophilia (also documented in my previous NAMBLA thread), as I think it is quite incredible and I personally had a 15 year old account suspended for carefully improving an infamous pedophile's wikipedia page. Notably, WP co-founder Larry Sanger has at times been outspoken about the issue of pedophile support/complicity on WP.
(Note: ((())) added to some names by my Coincidence Detector add-on.)
I will start with the highly respected Larry Kramer, who openly supported pedophilia, as shown on NAMBLA's site here:
https://www.nambla.org/kramer.html :
"In those cases where children do have sex with their homosexual elders... I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity,and perhaps even solicits it, either because of a natural curiosity...or because he or she is homosexual and innately knows it. ... And unlike girls or women forced into rape or traumatized, most gay men have warm memories of their earliest and early sexual encounters; when we share these stories with each other, they are invariably positive ones."
- ~ (((Larry Kramer))), writer and founderof the AIDS Coalition to Unleash Power (ACT-UP),inReports from the Holocaust, New York: St. Martin's Press,1991
Here is a 20 year old post on his small wikipedia Talk page pointing out his support:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Larry_Kramer#c-Sam_Spade-2005-07-14T00:04:00.000Z-Quote
(largely a repeat of the above quote)
"In those instances where children do have sex with their homosexual elders, be they teachers or anyone else, I submit that often, very often, the child desires the activity, and perhaps even solicits it, either because of a natural curiosity that will or will not develop along these lines, or because he or she is homosexual and innately knows it. This is far from "recruitment." Obviously, there are instances in which the child is unwilling, and is a victim of sexual abuse, homo- or heterosexual. But, as with straight children anxious for the experience with someone of the opposite sex, these are kids who seek solicit, and consent willingly to sex with someone of the same sex. And unlike girls or women forced into rape and traumatized, most gay men have warm memories of their earliest and early sexual encounters; when we share these stories with each other, they are invariably positive ones." Kramer, L (1981) Reports from the Holocaust. NY: St. Martin's Press p.234)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Kramer ctrl+F "pedo"=0 results. Nambla =0
(I won't go into how Kramer also was pivotal to both the spread of HIV and the spread of HIV hysteria.)
#2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia
She was very involved in pedophilia controversy in the 90s, so WP can't totally hide her pro-pedo side. But they do their best, not mentioning her major support of pedophilia in her opening summary paragraph, instead burying it in a subsection of "Views". She supposedly changed her mind about pedophilia, but when you read her previous supportive statements, that is really hard to believe.
"In a 1997 Salon column, Paglia expressed the view that male pedophilia correlates with the heights of a civilization, stating "I have repeatedly protested the lynch-mob hysteria that dogs the issue of man-boy love. In Sexual Personae, I argued that male pedophilia is intricately intertwined with the cardinal moments of Western civilization." Paglia noted in several interviews, as well as Sexual Personae, that she supported the legalization of certain forms of child pornography"
Her book Sexual Personae was one of pedophile David Bowie's favorite books.
https://www.nambla.org/paglia.html :
Thesedays, especially in America, boy-love is not only scandalous and criminal,but somehow in bad taste. On the evening news, one sees handcuffed teachers,priests and Boy Scout leaders hustled into police vans. Therapists callthem maladjusted, emotionally immature. But beauty has its own laws, inconsistentwith Christian morality. As a woman, I feel free to protest that men todayare pilloried for something that was rational and honorable in Greece atthe height of its civilization.
- ~ Camille Paglia, activist and author in SexualPersonae (New York,Vintage Books1991).
#3 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayle_Rubin
ctrl+f pedo =, nambla = 0
Buried in a sub-sub section, in the last paragraph of the wiki page, is this:
"In "Thinking Sex", (((Rubin))) defended "man-boy lovers" alongside sex workers, homosexuals, and BDSM practitioners, a stance that has attracted a great deal of criticism in the years since. In a 2011 reflection on "Thinking Sex", (((Rubin))) clarified that her "comments on sex and children were made in a different context", at a time in the 1980s when moral panics about Satanists and kidnappers were prevalent, and she never imagined people would claim she "supported the rape of pre-pubescents." She stated that her writings had been misconstrued by right-wingers and anti-pornography advocates."
Again you must go to the Talk page for some context:
"It is harder for most people to sympathize with actual boy-lovers. Like communists and homosexuals in the 1950s, boylovers are so stigmatized that it is difficult to find defenders for their civil liberties, let alone for their erotic orientation. Consequently, the police have feasted on them. Local police, the FBI, and watchdog postal inspectors have joined to build a huge apparatus whose sole aim is to wipe out the community of men who love underaged youth. In twenty years or so, when some of the smoke has cleared, it will be much easier to show that these men have been the victims of a savage and undeserved witch hunt. A lot of people will be embarrassed by their collaboration with this persecution, but it will be too late to do much good for those men who have spent their lives in prison." - Thinking Sex
https://www.nambla.org/rubin.html :
"Youth Liberation has argued for some time that young people should have the right to have sex as well as not to have it, and with whom they choose. The statutory structure of the sex laws has been identified as oppressive and insulting to young people. A range of sexual activities are legally defined as molestation, regardless of the quality of the relationship or the amount of consent involved. ...
The recent career of boy-love in the public mind should serve as an alert that the self-interests of the feminist and gay movement sare linked to simple justice for stigmatized sexual minorities. ... We must not reject all sexual contact between adults and young people as inherently oppressive."
~ (((Gayle Rubin))), lesbian feminist, in Leaping Lesbian, February,1978.
#4 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jane_Rule
Ctrl+f pedo =0 results, nambla =0
No mentions of pedo support in her Talk page (but it could have been deleted.)
https://www.nambla.org/janerule.html :
"My own initiation came long before I was legally adult.Though a number of males around my age offered to participate, a womanten years my senior was "responsible," at my invitation and encouragement.The only fault I find with that part of my sexual education was the limither guilt and fear put on our pleasure, the heterosexual pressure evenshe felt required to put on me. What she did "for my own good" caused bothof us pain. If I were to improve on that experience now, it would not beto protect children from adult seduction but to make adults easier to seduce,less burdened with fear or guilt, less defended by hypocrisy. ...
If we accepted sexual behaviour between children andadults, we would be far more able to protect our children from abuse andexploitation than we are now."
"Teaching Sexuality"in Flaunting It, Vancouver, New Star Press,1982.
#5
-one of the "Spirit of Stonewall" members who defended NAMBLA (see above screenshot/link.)
(Btw: Lots of interesting results for 'spirit of stonewall' on twitter.
ctrl+f pedo = 0, nambla = 0, spirit =0
No mention in her Talk page as well.
" I’m quite interested in NAMBLA. Actually,
very early I signed a petition opposing NAMBLA being excluded from the Center,
whatever year that was...
So, did Maxine [Wolfe]. Very early. There’s a bunch of women
who signed it because of the age-of-consent law"
"
DO: Well, it’s interesting, if you read some of the NAMBLA files, you
will here and there will come upon — and perhaps I’ve only seen this once in the
NAMBLA files — an FBI agent who admits that the NAMBLA members treat kids
better than their own parents do, and says, “You have to be careful about this, because
these NAMBLA members, they’re really sneaky. They treat these kids very well.” It’s
like, that’s a bad thing?
Schulmann: Right"
"SS: I remember when Maxine and I went to this meeting with them,
about them being thrown out of the Center, and we finally saw who they were, and
they were like creepy, icky, childish, unsocialized guys. They weren’t a great bunch."
To sadly be continued...
https://archive.org/stream/BAR_19940616/BAR_19940616_djvu.txt
Spirit of Stonewall Endorsers:
Antler, Chris Bearchell, Jim Becker, Glen Belvario
(Glenda Orgasm), Susie Bright, John Burnside, Pat Califia,
Bob Chatelle, James D’Entremont, Bill Dobbs, Allen Ginsberg,
Keith Griffith, Cris Gutierrez, Harry Hay, Liz Highleyman,
Edward Hougen, Hubert Kennedy, Shannon Thomas Kennedy,
Jim Kepner, Lee Kikuchi, Kevin Killian, Michael Lavery,
Matt Marco, John Mitzel, Debbie Nathan, Harold Norse,
John O'Brien, Scott O’Hara, Camille Paglia, Michael Petrelis,
Felice Picano, Ken Popert, Mark Pritchard, Tom Reeves,
Gayle Rubin, Sarah Schulman, David Scondras, Charley
Shively, Luke Sissyfag, Julia Smedley, David' Thorstad,
Daniel Tsang, Scott Tucker, French Wall, Phil Willkie,
Matt YVobensmith, Ian Young
ACT UP/Minnesota, Anti-Fascist Network, Baltimore Gay
Alliance, Feminists Against Censorship, Frighten the Horses,
Gayme, The Guide, Lesbian and Gay Freedom Movement
(London), Modern Words,. On our Backs, Outpunk, Pink
Triangle Press, Revolutionary Trotskyist League, Steam
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