Legend of Zelda thread - Lorefags GTFO!

[Dr J]

I remember unironic "Venom Link" speculation due to the lack of tunic and there being no real reason for Link to be right-handed (unlike SS which has waggle justification)

I think Link's got Venom Snake beat. Venom was only in a coma for nine years. Link was in a coma for 100 years

 

[Cnut]

fuckin' smartphone

Definitely a Wii U gamepad but of course the gamepad itself was modeled on smart phones. Too bad all the second screen use was nuked to be identical on Switch.

Nintendo were going to put futuristic elements in a Zelda game they should have done it when they were toying with it in the planning for A Link to the Past

Link to the Past had the first appearance of eyeball lasers which are definite precursor to guardians.

 

[Dr J]

Too bad all the second screen use was nuked to be identical on Switch.

It's for the best, really. The second screen sucked. It had some decent applications but generally it was a stupid idea. It's not like the DS, or its lineage, where you've got the two screens on top of each other so it's easy to look at both simultaneously. Because there's distance between you and the TV, it's hard to maintain focus on one while looking at the other.

Just one of the many reasons why I never bought a Wii U

Link to the Past had the first appearance of eyeball lasers which are definite precursor to guardians.

Well, the Guardians are basically Beamos + Octorok smashed together with some ancient tech thrown in.

But I was more referring to how Nintendo originally wanted A Link to the Past to feature more futuristic, sci-fi elements, as seen by this sci-fi Zelda here

 

[Jack Garland]

It's for the best, really. The second screen sucked. It had some decent applications but generally it was a stupid idea. It's not like the DS, or its lineage, where you've got the two screens on top of each other so it's easy to look at both simultaneously. Because there's distance between you and the TV, it's hard to maintain focus on one while looking at the other.

I enjoyed it for Wind Waker and Twilight Princess on the Wii U. It was nice for quick inventory access and such. I think Pikmin 3 might have been the game to use it the best, and the "Go Here" functionality was fucking perfect. A few games used it well, and I actually think BotW *may* have if they had kept it (though we'll never know, look at how God awful SF Zero feels).

 

[Gimmick Account]

Though the former is wins simply due to it actually being finished.

nah they're about the same on that front too. MGSV's apparent unfinishedness is some fart-huffing unsatisfying meta kojima faggotry that makes sense with the super secret actual plot if you stare at the screen long enough to vibrate on that frequency. BOTW has even more cocktease clues that go nowhere and genuinely unfinished shit in the map, it's just hard to tell because the whole world is pretty empty and static.

 

[*Moonbaer*]

The best modern Zelda Games are the Meet N Fuck Series. My Favorite is the 4 sluts.

 

[Dr J]

I enjoyed it for Wind Waker and Twilight Princess on the Wii U.

Yeah the gamepad's a good replacement for the Game Boy Advance link-up for the Tingle Tuner

MGSV's apparent unfinishedness is some fart-huffing unsatisfying meta kojima faggotry that makes sense with the super secret actual plot if you stare at the screen long enough to vibrate on that frequency

It is literally unfinished. Not only did Kojima say 'Well, Death Stranding's actually going to be a complete game' but the evidence is right there in the game itself. You get one Act of missions and then a second Act consisting mostly of the same missions. Then there's the unfinished ending where you fight Baby Liquid and the Metal Gear.

It's unfinished. How unfinished depends on who you ask and how they felt about MGSV

BOTW has even more cocktease clues that go nowhere

How? It's a thin, excuse plot anyway

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Yeah but I'm not sure if there's a better term to describe it.

Magitech.

Steampunk is anachronistic technology in otherwise antiquated settings and that's basically what BOTW has.

No. "STEAMpunk" refers to anachronistic technology but specifically based on the technology of the Victorian period, which is primarily powered by STEAM, hence the term "STEAMpunk" as opposed to something like "CYBERpunk" which focuses on futuristic technology based primarily on the early CYBER age tech where microchips were just coming into vogue, or something like "DIESELpunk" which is based on theoretical future technologies based on the technological standards of the 1930s and 1940s where DIESEL power was the emergent technology, or something like "ATOMpunk" which is primarily based around theoretical future technology of the ATOMIC ages of the 1950s and 1960s where ATOMIC energy was the emergent technology.

These terms have actual meanings, despite the efforts of Tumblr and other similar retard hives to say otherwise.

 

[Cnut]

The second screen sucked

No it didnt

I never bought a Wii U

Uh

Yeah the gamepad's a good replacement for the Game Boy Advance link-up for the Tingle Tuner

Ok

 

[McMitch]

It's unfinished. How unfinished depends on who you ask and how they felt about MGSV

The worst part is the unfinished act looks like it would have been had potential to be the best part of the entire game.

 

[Dr J]

Magitech.

Yeah but is Magitech an actual recognised term referring to an actual genre of fiction or did it just come from FFVI (which WAS Steampunk)?

No it didnt

Yes it did. The fact that the Wii U didn't even sell 15 million units kinda says it all. The gamepad gimmick was shit and the marketing was shit. It was so shit that it killed Iwata

The worst part is the unfinished act looks like it would have been had potential to be the best part of the entire game.

Well, it certainly wrapped everything up. And it would have brought into play Venom's shrapnel injuries making him completely colour blind at certain points. Venom's injuries are brought up in the tapes otherwise and just never come into play gameplay wise. 'He's got a cool horn', that's it.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Yeah but is Magitech an actual recognised term referring to an actual genre of fiction or did it just come from FFVI (which WAS Steampunk)?

If you say the word Magitech 99% of people will know what you mean.

 

[Jack Garland]

The best modern Zelda Games are the Meet N Fuck Series. My Favorite is the 4 sluts.

MEET AND HUH?!

 

[Never Scored]

IMO, BOTW would have been way better if the second screen Wii U features were left in. Part of what makes the game too easy is you can just pause and eat food at any time. If you had to look down and pick food while a Lynel is trying to kill you, the food would have been less game breaking. When I play through it now, I purposely underprepare to make it more of a challenge.

Yes it did. The fact that the Wii U didn't even sell 15 million units kinda says it all. The gamepad gimmick was shit and the marketing was shit. It was so shit that it killed Iwata

If you make an argument that sales correlated with quality, you are essentially making an argument that BOTW is far and away the best game in the series, are you not?

In all seriousness, the Wii U itself was fine IMO. Not great, but fine. The gamepad was comfortable, it worked well and the library of first party titles was pretty good. I'd argue the first party output was better than the Wii based on the Zelda remakes, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Mario Kart 8, BOTW and Pikmin 3 alone. It was never going to sell as much as the Wii because that was a fad that a lot people who don't usually buy videogames scooped up. However, I think two major flaws kept Wii U back from selling 25-30 million units(basically N64/Gamecube territory):

1) The Wii U had a decent GPU and ram for the time, but a real shitty CPU. Nintendo got around this by offloading most of the work to the GPU which is why first party Wii U games by and large look pretty good. However, third party developers really struggled with it, meaning multiplatform titles that came out for 360/PS3/Wii U hit a bottleneck with the Wii U's CPU so they really chugged compared to the 360/PS3. If this weren't an issue, the library would have been padded out with more multiplatform titles early on. PS3, 360 and Wii U actually all used Power PC CPUs, so quick ports of things like Oblivion, Skyrim and GTA IV & V should have been easy if it weren't for the CPU.

2) As you alluded to, the marketing early on really pigeonholed it. Nintendo didn't make it clear enough that this was a "New Wii" as opposed to an accessory. It probably should have been marketed as the home version of a DS with more 3DS cross play features.

 

[Dr J]

If you had to look down and pick food while a Lynel is trying to kill you, the food would have been less game breaking.

That would have been deeply annoying, and shit. At least in Dark Souls, yeah you can't pause the game but you can put weapons and key items in your quick use buttons.

If you make an argument that sales correlated with quality, you are essentially making an argument that BOTW is far and away the best game in the series, are you not?

Not really. BOTW sold the best because A) it's been on three consoles now and B) the Switch, by far, has the biggest install base of any Nintendo console. It's the second highest selling console of all time (behind the PS2) and the highest selling Nintendo console. This means there was much more of a market for it than Ocarina, Majora's Mask, Wind Waker, Twilight Princess or Skyward Sword.

The fact that nobody even wanted a Wii U to play the games that were on it suggests a fundamental problem with the hardware itself. And notice, pretty much all the Wii U games got ported to Switch, with some notable hold-outs (Wind Waker and Twilight Princess HD, Star Fox Zero, Paper Mario Colour Splash)

In all seriousness, the Wii U itself was fine IMO. Not great, but fine.

'Fine' is not really good enough for a next-gen successor to one of the most successful consoles of all time.

I'd argue the first party output was better than the Wii based on the Zelda remakes, Splatoon, Mario Maker, Mario Kart 8, BOTW and Pikmin 3 alone.

I couldn't more strongly disagree. Because a lot of the early Wii titles were aborted Gamecube games that got moved to Wii, the early Wii line-up is as good as the Gamecube line-up, which was very good. PS2/Gamecube was the last time the industry had any fucking ideas.

It was never going to sell as much as the Wii because that was a fad that a lot people who don't usually buy videogames scooped up.

The Switch massively outsold the Wii. And it employs many of the same ideas as the Wii U. It's 'hybrid gaming' like the Wii U but much better conceived.

Yes, Nintendo built a lot of its audience for the Wii on casual gaming and casual gamers moved to mobile. But it still wouldn't have taken much for the Wii's successor to outsell the Piss Poor and the Xboner because Sony and Microsoft are incompetent and those two systems have no games. All it took was for Nintendo not to also be incompetent.

 

[NerdShamer]

MEET AND HUH?!

Just ignore him, it's an actual tard.

Part of what makes the game too easy is you can just pause and eat food at any time. If you had to look down and pick food while a Lynel is trying to kill you, the food would have been less game breaking.

You know, they could have just settled for having time slow down to around half-speed when you're rummaging through your inventory in the middle of an fight. But even then, you honestly don't need much of an power boost when you're fighting those lynels.

 

[Never Scored]

That would have been deeply annoying, and shit.

At least then you and BOTW would have something in common.

I couldn't more strongly disagree.

Name some that you thought were better than the titles I listed. I'd put the Mario Galaxies up there, maybe Wario Land and Metroid 3, but I struggle to think of much in Wii's first party library that wasn't waggle shit, stuff with higher quality sequels on Wii U like Donkey Kong and Mario Kart, or stuff that wasn't readily available for Gamecube or Wii U like Twilight Princess.

It's subjective anyway, but I'm curious about what you'll come up with. Maybe you deeply love Excite Trucks, I don't know.

PS2/Gamecube was the last time the industry had any fucking ideas.

Have you ever considered that maybe videogames just aren't your thing anymore if you genuinely think 20+ years ago is the last time the industry had any ideas?

'Fine' is not really good enough for a next-gen successor to one of the most successful consoles of all time.

Ok? I didn't make the Wii U. It's not a slight at me to say it wasn't a good follow up to Wii in terms of what the market wanted, and I wouldn't really disagree with that assessment. I'm just expressing an opinion that it wasn't as terrible as you were making out. I never said it was the best console of all time or anything. The faux outrage expressed here is very bizarre.

The Switch massively outsold the Wii. And it employs many of the same ideas as the Wii U. It's 'hybrid gaming' like the Wii U but much better conceived.

Wii U was not hybrid gaming. Wii U was a home console with a second screen. The only idea that they really carried over from Wii U to Switch that's not industry standard is the ability to play your games on the TV or off screen. Switch is a handheld with a dock and "hybrid console" is a marketing term invented by Nintendo so they don't have to admit they got raped so bad on the Wii U they abandoned the home console market. The fact of the matter is Nintendo's handhelds have always performed well, while their home console line had been circling the drain for years. The Wii is a notable exception because it was a fad that caught on, but outside Wii, every Nintendo home console sold less than the one before it.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

but outside Wii, every Nintendo home console sold less than the one before it.

And with the exception of the Gamecube they all deserved to sell like shit.

 

[Never Scored]

And with the exception of the Gamecube they all deserved to sell like shit.

The success of the Wii/DS era really broke something in their brains. Even today with the mouse shit on Switch 2. It all goes back to that era.

 

[Dr J]

At least then you and BOTW would have something in common.

Name some that you thought were better than the titles I listed

Both Mario Galaxies, Prime 3, Brawl, Twilight Princess, Super Paper Mario, Sin and Punishment 2, Super Mario All-Stars got a Wii port, Dong Returns (although it's better on Switch)

or stuff that wasn't readily available for Gamecube or Wii U like Twilight Princess.

Like hell Gamecube Twilight Princess was 'readily available'. I had to scour high and low for a Gamecube copy. In Japan they didn't even sell it in stores. You had to order it specially from Nintendo.

Have you ever considered that maybe videogames just aren't your thing anymore if you genuinely think 20+ years ago is the last time the industry had any ideas?

I'm not alone in thinking that, either

I'm just expressing an opinion that it wasn't as terrible as you were making out.

All I said was 'It was shit'. Which it was.

The faux outrage expressed here is very bizarre.

Who's outraged? You're the only one who seems to be outraged

Wii U was not hybrid gaming. Wii U was a home console with a second screen.

That's hybrid gaming. Play on your TV, and if family members want to use the TV or whatever, play on the tablet. Switch just did it better

Switch is a handheld with a dock and "hybrid console" is a marketing term invented by Nintendo so they don't have to admit they got raped so bad on the Wii U they abandoned the home console market.

But A) They didn't abandon the home console market. The Switch still is a home console
and
B) They've repeatedly admitted they got raped badly on the Wii U. Them giving up the ghost entirely to pivot to the Switch was kind of the big clue

The fact of the matter is Nintendo's handhelds have always performed well, while their home console line had been circling the drain for years.

Dunno how you figure they've been 'circling the drain' when most of these were strong and stable sellers. Just not the juggernauts the first two Playstations were

every Nintendo home console sold less than the one before it.

Because, from the NES onwards, Nintendo's had actual competition. Nintendo's handhelds sold better because no one was really competing with them/the competition was ridiculously shit.