Debate user The_Cowcel about incels.

[Starefag]

I don't need a study, just go talk to any abusive guy and you'll find he's almost never without a woman to abuse. Or hell ask any woman about their ex and they're always "abusive". So either they're attracted to violent men or they're liars, take your pick.

You could also just take a look at the "literature" women read, half of it is rape fantasies and the other half is serial killer fantasies. Every other woman is obsessed with true crime. Or you could just look at probably 25% of womens thighs/wrists and realize that women are insane.

Oh boy this one.
See usually when people want their ideas to be taken seriously they post shit that can actually be backed up. Most women *I* know are about as interested in true crime as any man. See how an assertion like what you have can be undermined? This is why you post studies, because an emperical, replicated study using the proper methods is as close as you can get to objective fact.

So, again. Post a study or cope.

 

[Mamimi]

Oh boy this one.
See usually when people want their ideas to be taken seriously they post shit that can actually be backed up. Most women *I* know are about as interested in true crime as any man. See how an assertion like what you have can be undermined? This is why you post studies, because an emperical, replicated study using the proper methods is as close as you can get to objective fact.

So, again. Post a study or cope.

>man announces that AKSHUALLY women are the real perverts
>he has ironclad evidence that will blow your mind and shatter your worldview
>it's Morning Glory Milking Farm

Every single time. If it was true you think they'd be able to name more than this one meme book. I guarantee you none of these guys have ever met an actual woman who's read it, it's just men circlejerking each other over the internet and believing everything nugget of bullshit their gender wars poisoned algorithm listlessly drops in their mouths.

Meanwhile, this is the actual NYT bestseller's list. Doesn't really support the assertion that women exclusively read true crime or smut.

 

[FieldPiece]

Oh boy this one.
See usually when people want their ideas to be taken seriously they post shit that can actually be backed up. Most women *I* know are about as interested in true crime as any man. See how an assertion like what you have can be undermined? This is why you post studies, because an emperical, replicated study using the proper methods is as close as you can get to objective fact.

So, again. Post a study or cope.

No dudes are out there jerking it to Eileen Wournos.

Here ya go retard. You know you don't have to farm out all your opinion making to others and can instead form your own right? Do you need a study to tell you water is a fluid or does the existence of ice make you need a study?

https://research-archive.org/index.php/rars/preprint/view/109/version/241

https://pure.hud.ac.uk/en/publicati...the-role-of-tiktok-in-young-womens-attractio/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01639625.2025.2605168

 

[Starefag]

No dudes are out there jerking it to Eileen Wournos.

Here ya go retard. You know you don't have to farm out all your opinion making to others and can instead form your own right? Do you need a study to tell you water is a fluid or does the existence of ice make you need a study?

https://research-archive.org/index.php/rars/preprint/view/109/version/241

https://pure.hud.ac.uk/en/publicati...the-role-of-tiktok-in-young-womens-attractio/

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01639625.2025.2605168

One paywalled study and the first one doesn't have data.
Where's your control group? Your methodology? Your demographics? There's a reason studies investigate commonly held knowledge. It's to understand the world.
You need data to prove things. Also post PDF or gtfo, I seriously doubt you even read these.

Wait, tandfonline, that one?
Lets deconstruct.
1. It talks about gen z women. Not all women, as you assert.
2. It merely finds that women who engage with the content on tiktok, tend to enjoy the content in books. This doesn't prove anything besides that women who are already consuming the media tend to enjoy the media. How the fuck does this apply to your thesis?

Find a Primary, nonpaywalled source. One unpaywalled article has no fucking data. It's a goddamn review paper that doesn't even combine data from previous studies.
Did you read these? Honest question.

 

[FieldPiece]

One paywalled study and the first one doesn't have data.
Where's your control group? Your methodology? Your demographics? There's a reason studies investigate commonly held knowledge. It's to understand the world.
You need data to prove things. Also post PDF or gtfo, I seriously doubt you even read these.

Wait, tandfonline, that one?
Lets deconstruct.
1. It talks about gen z women. Not all women, as you assert.
2. It merely finds that women who engage with the content on tiktok, tend to enjoy the content in books. This doesn't prove anything besides that women who are already consuming the media tend to enjoy the media. How the fuck does this apply to your thesis?

Find a Primary, nonpaywalled source. One unpaywalled article has no fucking data. It's a goddamn review paper that doesn't even combine data from previous studies.
Did you read these? Honest question.

Dear lord, again you are retarded. Use your brain for once. Evolutionary psychology. You are Grugette, do you want Grug who can beat a deer to death as well as another Grug who comes near you or Grug who can't? You obviously want the more violent Grug, it's just womens stupidity that makes them think "oh well Grug would never beat me!" Then they act all suprised when Grug beats them. For the same reason women find men who are already married more attractive than men who aren't.

 

[Starefag]

Dear lord, again you are retarded. Use your brain for once. Evolutionary psychology. You are Grugette, do you want Grug who can beat a deer to death as well as another Grug who comes near you or Grug who can't? You obviously want the more violent Grug, it's just womens stupidity that makes them think "oh well Grug would never beat me!" Then they act all suprised when Grug beats them. For the same reason women find men who are already married more attractive than men who aren't.

Oh cool.
So you have a published study to back this up right?
Hang on I got this retardese translator lemme boot it up.

"I cannot defend my point using empirical evidence and instead make far reaching claims about a demographic I am biased against. PW#EASE fall for my appeal to common sense or I will shit and piss on the floor."

Post a peer reviewed study, unpaywalled. With proper data and methods. Or cope. Which you seem to be doing already.

 

[crazedaze]

Oh boy this one.
See usually when people want their ideas to be taken seriously they post shit that can actually be backed up. Most women *I* know are about as interested in true crime as any man. See how an assertion like what you have can be undermined? This is why you post studies, because an emperical, replicated study using the proper methods is as close as you can get to objective fact.

So, again. Post a study or cope.

@FieldPiece is a mentally ill man who also abuses any woman who comes near him and so identifies with OP.

The easy way to pick up women is very simple.
1: Bully them
2: Bully them some more
3: Say something mildly nice about them

There you go. It sounds retarded but I've accidentally done it before multiple times and it works. Womens brains are fucked up so they don't actually want companionship, they want some fucked up social game.

He understands that women get into relationships with men who turn out to be abusers because they are manipulative. As a manipulative man, he lies.
I wonder why he is still single?

This generally leads to not interacting with women for longer than a few minutes at most so I just come off as an overly serious asshole. All my GFs have been from school or friend groups. All of which I no longer am associated with.

Well, for that at least we can be grateful.

Studies show that abuse starts through economic means

Small surveys of victims consistently find that the majority of those who experience physical violence also had their economic empowerment undermined (Outlaw 2009; Postmus et al. 2012). Some survivors have described how physical violence began once they were economically dependent: “The first feature of control was financial. As soon as I had less economic independence that’s when the [violence] started.”1

Before progressing to violence

I mean Sharia allows people to beat women and if we did that we wouldn't be in this predicament so he's kinda right.

So one might be interested to find that this abusive man wants to economically disempower women

No wonder corporations love women working,

Abuse is foremost about control. So one might be interested to know that this abusive man wants to control women

I recently realized after a conversation with a foid why women should never hold power over anything ever.

Just draft women to be mothers. State enforced pregnancy.

Asking this unstable mentally ill abusive man to be intellectually honest is far above his pay grade.
I did find one piece of wisdom in his ramblings

I'm a fucking retard

 

[FieldPiece]

Oh cool.
So you have a published study to back this up right?
Hang on I got this retardese translator lemme boot it up.

"I cannot defend my point using empirical evidence and instead make far reaching claims about a demographic I am biased against. PW#EASE fall for my appeal to common sense or I will shit and piss on the floor."

Post a peer reviewed study, unpaywalled. With proper data and methods. Or cope. Which you seem to be doing already.

I see you're doing the typical woman thing of pretending not to know things. What's the problem with paywalled articles, you poor or something?

https://www.researchgate.net/public...LATIONSHIP_STATUS_ON_PERCEIVED_ATTRACTIVENESS

 

[Starefag]

I see you're doing the typical woman thing of pretending not to know things. What's the problem with paywalled articles, you poor or something?

Oh so you paid for an 80 dollar a month journal?
You paid 80 USD to win an internet argument? Post the PDF then. Go on, goy.
Anyway, going off the study you supplied, the data you supplied says...

Married Men are considered undesirable by women

Please explain how this correlates to your point. Because I'm not seeing it.
TL;DR you're retarded.

 

[Penis Drager 2.0]

No dudes are out there jerking it to Eileen Wournos.

Okay, I don't give a shit about this whole argument about who's more fucked up sexually. Women are always quick to overshare their abnormal sexual proclivities when they begin to vaguely trust you. A lot more women have told me they were into tentacle rape or other various hentai "soft bestiality" shit than men have. So whatever.

But this statement right here is so retardedly wrong it baffles me you'd make it.
Hop on /pol/ next time a vaguely attractive woman commits a heinous crime and read the comments.

 

[FieldPiece]

Oh so you paid for an 80 dollar a month journal?
You paid 80 USD to win an internet argument? Post the PDF then. Go on, goy.
Anyway, going off the study you supplied, the data you supplied says...

Married Men are considered undesirable by women

Please explain how this correlates to your point. Because I'm not seeing it.
TL;DR you're retarded.

No I don't pay for journals dumbass, you're just a retard for thinking them being behind a paywall means it invalidates the research.

Please do tell me why Charlie Manson got constant letters from women expressing their love for him. Must have been that darn Gen Z and 1970s Tiktok. Tell me why there were thousands of chicks thirsting over Luigi Mangione. Or why my coworker who did time for attempted murder has no problem attracting women despite having no teeth and constantly flying into a rage.

He understands that women get into relationships with men who turn out to be abusers because they are manipulative. As a manipulative man, he lies.
I wonder why he is still single?

I love how women think they're not the ones who choose their mates. "Aw shucks I keep buying beepers from Israel why do they keep blowing up?"

 

[Starefag]

No I don't pay for journals dumbass, you're just a retard for thinking them being behind a paywall means it invalidates the research.

It could say fucking anything. That's just a title and abstract. The fucking DATA is inside the paywalled paper. Which is the important part. So it's a moot fucking point you absolute numpty.

 

[FieldPiece]

It could say fucking anything. That's just a title and abstract. The fucking DATA is inside the paywalled paper. Which is the important part. So it's a moot fucking point you absolute numpty.

Because as well all know women are good with numbers which is how we know Newton and Archimedes were pooners.

Numpty? Dear god the most horrible sight imaginable, a british female.

 

[Mamimi]

Because as well all know women are good with numbers which is how we know Newton and Archimedes were pooners.

Numpty? Dear god the most horrible sight imaginable, a british female.

That's the thing. I looked at the non-paywalled articles too and there are no numbers. And the article you linked about women's attraction to men in relationships indicated women find single men more attractive whereas men didn't differentiate between single and attached women. It kind of comes across like you just googled "foids love rapist chads study" and then just linked whatever you found without reading.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Lies

Because you are wrong




Like a dozen people here have given you specific advice

You are severely mentally ill. The issue is that you need to not be mentally ill. You're welcome.

I have never and will never agree with you again

 

[Starefag]

Because as well all know women are good with numbers which is how we know Newton and Archimedes were pooners.

Nigger I'm asking for data on your fucking claim. You've provided jack and shit in that order. Stop fucking coping and cough up an actual study with numbers, control groups, or even fucking demographic data. Shit even a fucking survey would be better than the slop you've given.
I'm a man, telling you to logically back up your claim. The fact you cannot do this is extremely female coded.

 

[The_Cowcel]

I've read the responses and will try to act on them, but I figure ten pages of cringeworthy sperging on the farms is more than enough so I won't be responding as much

Good, this is what I was telling you to do. Go back in your memory and think, before everything blew up you managed to get in good with her. How? What did you say? What did you talk about? What were you doing? What was your attitude like? Think about these things.

I was introduced by family and I can't remember much about myself back then because it was so long ago and early in life. I appreciate the angle you're going for and I think it would be helpful for a lot of people but I don't have any clear memories of when my life was closer to normal

OK, that's rough. But what if you didn't (now) say that everything was fine so you could get it over with?

I try to be more vocal about how I'm feeling but I don't a point of reference for what normal is and often whenever I bring up my dissatisfaction with life it's just treated as a failing on my part for not making a genuine effort to go out and enjoy myself.

Why are decisions being made for you, an adult?

Because I have no strong desires on what to do so I just outsource my decision making to family.

Lol, you go out and spend your time on your phone then go home, resting on confirmation that going out is pointless.

What exactly do you think is going to happen socially when you're on your phone? Or when someone drags you out and you refuse to engage in - or God forbid imitate and drive - conversation.

I do engage in the conversation to the extent that I can, but usually it's about something that I'm not involved in. I'd rather browse on my phone than just sit around listening to a conversation that doesn't involve me.

The question mark suggests you're being somewhat sardonic, as though it's obvious that you'd want that. But that's not why most men seek out relationships. Social proof with their peers is part of it, but the main thing is having a companion to face life with, a best friend they can also get naked with. Dating someone who's looking for that just because you want everyone to know you're a big boy who's been inside a vagina is sociopathic behavior

Again, it's not about proving to other people that I have had sex, I'm primarily focused on proving to myself that I can get a woman, companionship and all of that would be nice but I think it's a bit optimistic to expect when as other people here have pointed out any woman I get is likely to be an abusive bitch who makes my life a living hell because I'm too desperate to leave.

It's because he's approaching this as a beggar. Most guys kind of balance out from this as soon as they get female attention. Most normal guys anyway....

I've never really received female attention though. The closest I've got has been some dry message chains that never span more than a dozen posts.

I don't need a study, just go talk to any abusive guy and you'll find he's almost never without a woman to abuse. Or hell ask any woman about their ex and they're always "abusive". So either they're attracted to violent men or they're liars, take your pick.

Yet people accuse me of being abusive despite having been single my whole life just because I don't want my hypothetical woman to be influenced against me or tempted by other men.

idk how old you are but if youre yuong enough you can go to college
in college everyone wants to socialize and shit

I'm in collage currently and I've got to disagree about everyone wanting to socialize, at my school everyone arrives when class starts, leave to get something to eat during break, come back when break ends then go straight home when class is over. I don't think I could put a name to the face of more than two or three of my classmates.

Studies show that abuse starts through economic means

And infidelity comes from financial independence. Dependency keeps relationships together, people today are sick and treat any form of stabilizing factors in a relationship as signs of abuse.

 

[Rango Dango]

I'm in collage currently and I've got to disagree about everyone wanting to socialize, at my school everyone arrives when class starts, leave to get something to eat during break, come back when break ends then go straight home when class is over. I don't think I could put a name to the face of more than two or three of my classmates.

dang nigga your college fucking sucks in my college before a class starts everyone stands in some circle and talks with each other
then theres like a bigass party every thursday where people dance and shit nigga pick a better college or something idk

 

[Hotmilk]

I mean obviously there's a some tension with some women when they encounter a taken man. Because of the taboo and because he's prevalidated, also a man in a relationship can more easily show his gentle (future good dad) side

 

[Hotmilk]

What kind of hobbies do women even like in a man?

It's not important, just try new hobbies, find something you like, get good at it, meet new people also get good and passionate about your job.

Women love a competent and passionate man.

Also you need female friends, practice girlsfriends or just being around women. I also feel like the male friend side is lacking too

Alright, all of that has already been checked [looksmaxxing]

Meh I doubt your hygiene, teeth, face style,physique (sub 15٪ bodyfat), hair , facial hair and archetypes are on point.
If that were the case you would be receiving more attention.
Genuinely try the qoves studio package if you really want to optimise people will treat you better and you will get tips to age better (all that alcohol is fucking you up in the long run)
Obviously don't get neurotic about it but I feel like you're just dismissing that side of things.