DC Comics Multimedia General - A crisis of infinite fuck ups

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

Ask any random people in the street and that's what they will tell you

A random normie would say Superman or Spider-Man. Only turbo autists know or even care about Batman's lame nerd rule about killing. "But he's so PSYCHO that he knows if he kills even one guy he'll become the ULTIMATE UNSTOPPABLE KILLER."

Going off on a tangent here, but Adam West Batman not killing people makes sense because it's a light-hearted family friend version of the character. Same with the old kid cartoon or Batman & Robin. But him having a no-killing rule in the modern era is just dumb when they keep trying to make him as edgy and dark as possible. Those debates about why doesn't he just kill the Joker if he keeps escaping ring even truer when it's taken out of the comic book soap opera world and put into something like The Batman where Bruce is the edgiest boi who ever edged. Why would that version of Batman not kill someone he knows is going to kill innocent people again?

I guess what I'm saying is Batman is a dumb character for children. He's a grown adult wearing a bat costume who fights crime with gadgets. There is no way to ever make him into a serious character unless you drop the bat angle, at which point he's just a random vigilante from any '80s action movie. Batman Forever is the only movie that really got it right: a serious take on the character without losing the cheesy comic book tone that lets goofball characters in costumes exist in a believable world.

 

[Thorpy Kamen]

A random normie would say Superman or Spider-Man. Only turbo autists know or even care about Batman's lame nerd rule about killing. "But he's so PSYCHO that he knows if he kills even one guy he'll become the ULTIMATE UNSTOPPABLE KILLER."

Going off on a tangent here, but Adam West Batman not killing people makes sense because it's a light-hearted family friend version of the character. Same with the old kid cartoon or Batman & Robin. But him having a no-killing rule in the modern era is just dumb when they keep trying to make him as edgy and dark as possible. Those debates about why doesn't he just kill the Joker if he keeps escaping ring even truer when it's taken out of the comic book soap opera world and put into something like The Batman where Bruce is the edgiest boi who ever edged. Why would that version of Batman not kill someone he knows is going to kill innocent people again?

I guess what I'm saying is Batman is a dumb character for children. He's a grown adult wearing a bat costume who fights crime with gadgets. There is no way to ever make him into a serious character unless you drop the bat angle, at which point he's just a random vigilante from any '80s action movie. Batman Forever is the only movie that really got it right: a serious take on the character without losing the cheesy comic book tone that lets goofball characters in costumes exist in a believable world.

Call me a Normie, but Batman killing seems like an open door for any writer to turn him into such a ridiculously evil and "edgy" psychopath. Normies think that if Batman kills (for example, the Joker), he'll literally become "just another murderer." I mean, look at the damn Power Rangers, blowing up a monster every episode because "they're just generic monsters." Regardless of the context, the Rangers blow up the weekly monster, and Batman will just stick to the same serial killers like the Joker, Dr. Pig, Black Mask, and other bastards who've taken dozens of lives.

I mean, the "No killing" thing might apply to thieves who can redeem themselves, but it becomes ridiculous when it comes to psychopaths who kill people en masse for sadistic fun.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

I've mentioned this before but I don't think Wonder Woman should carry a sword, period. Her traditional weapons are lasso, tiara and bracelets and they are all defensive. Her entire shtick is love and redemption. If anything a good way to differentiate her from Batman and Superman and pull her away from boring "warrior woman" stereotypes would be to make her the least willing to resort to lethal force and be extremely distraught over it. As it is, all three of them have killed people anyway.

Nigga you sound like you haven't read a Wonder Women comic in the last 25 fucking years, she's been using a Sword since I was like 9, and is THE most likely to kill someone, most famously Maxwell Lord, where she cut the Gordian Knot on a really fucked situation with a simple snap.

ANOTHER DC Superhero Woe-betiding killing is the last fucking thing we need, the entire setting is full of the most moral busybodies about it.

 

[ArthuriusMartyrius]

I am not trying to be an asshole, or a contrarian with you, I think you have made some great points in the past, and I have agreed with you. I hope we can disagree in a respectful civil way.

Not implying you were, think we're being pretty civil so far. I can come across as abrasive sometimes but rest assured it wasn't intended to insult.

That being said, You misunderstand me.

You said that people would be pissed over Batman killing people. I pointed out that Batman has done so in almost every single one of his films and nobody really cared.

The point is again, " Who the general public knowns as having a strict no kill" rule. That's Batman. Ask any random people in the street and that's what they will tell you.

The thing is, I actually have done this experiment. A bunch of my most normie friends and people in my social circle who are more aware of superheroes than the rest and even they don't see Batman killing people as some inviolable part of his character. The average person in the general audience not only doesn't care about that, I've found that some of them outright think that Batman has superpowers.

Not really because a warrior is just something you do whereas a personality is who you are. Xena ended up being liked just fine for example.

What you do informs who you are. In Wonder Woman's case, having her be some sword-swinging warrior princess strips away the very few elements that make her unique compared to other female characters. Xena is a very different character whose entire shtick is redemption for being a horrible person in the past.

The "no killing" rule itself wouldn't make Batman any less Batman; it all depends on the format. If it's film, he might end up killing the villain of the day to close the movie, which is more of a very special exception, and in some cases, the more "secondary" villains among the main ones end up dead or in Arkham.

If Batman is killing people and it doesn't make Batman any less "Batman" then that just proves my point, doesn't it nerd?

Limiting the general knowledge of Batman to the movies is crap.

I am not which is why I pointed out that Batman has killed in the comics as well.

Nigga you sound like you haven't read a Wonder Women comic in the last 25 fucking years, she's been using a Sword since I was like 9, and is THE most likely to kill someone, most famously Maxwell Lord, where she cut the Gordian Knot on a really fucked situation with a simple snap.

I am perfectly aware of what DC has been doing with Wonder Woman and my entire point is that it's dumb and boring and makes no sense with her backstory.

ANOTHER DC Superhero Woe-betiding killing is the last fucking thing we need, the entire setting is full of the most moral busybodies about it.

Nigga if you wanna complain about superheroes having reservations about killing at the drop of a hat, pick another entertainment medium.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

Nigga if you wanna complain about superheroes having reservations about killing at the drop of a hat, pick another entertainment medium.

they ALL can't have it, and in DC, its very much almost all of them, all the major faces are all the biggest pissbabies about killing, not even "super heros killing" but the very CONCEPT of Death itself, its so beyond the pale of how to view saving people and redemption that its baffling, its perfectly resonable to always want to save everyone, or try and redeem everyone, but DC Hero's especially Superman and the big names, have an unbridled terror at the idea of even evil people dying from "something else" including their own hubris.

and still you are just fuckin wrong, you want Wonder Women to become Superman in mentality, its retarded, he's already right there, there's already 4 dozen hero's in DC with the "never let anyone die" Mindset, Wonder Women is, at her core, a warrior, and a soldier, she'd kill MORE if her compatriots didn't have such a problem with it.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/supergirl-making-box-office-bomb-1236636425/

Creative differences between director Craig Gillespie (I, Tonya, Cruella) and Gunn/Safran, particularly over music/needle drops and tone. The film reportedly never found its footing.


Test scores remained weak (mostly in the 60s, peaking around 70), comparable to past DC disappointments like Shazam! Fury of the Gods.


After filming wrapped in May 2025, the studio took greater control of post-production. Gunn brought in writer Jeremy Slater and editor Fred Raskin (his frequent collaborator). Additional photography (including reconfiguring the climax) was shot, and there were at least four test screenings.


In March 2026, DC held a rare “bakeoff” testing competing cuts: one from Gillespie and one from the studio. Both scored lower than prior tests, with the studio’s version winning by a slim margin (two points). Gillespie’s cut was reportedly longer and featured more of the villain Krem (Matthias Schoenaerts). The studio version went forward.

Gunn apparently pushed for music to be in it even if Gillespie told Gunn it was a retarded idea.

It really does look like Gunn did everything wrong on every level. Course, anyone who paid attention to his Superman movie already realized it, but Gunn fans are (currently) the most cringe fanbase.

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

Nigga you sound like you haven't read a Wonder Women comic in the last 25 fucking years, she's been using a Sword since I was like 9, and is THE most likely to kill someone

Might be because some people think Wonder Woman using a sword was invented for the movies and popularized in later adaptations.

 

[Fatsuit Shinji]

yeah it took me a second after I posted it to go "wait, that actually IS Kekko Kamen"

Disagree as Kekko Kamen manga and anime version literally wore only the stockings mask, gloves and boots. What that Robot Chicken skit shown will be later be known and labeled as a reverse_outfit.

 

[Zenos Yae Viator]

Might be because some people think Wonder Woman using a sword was invented for the movies and popularized in later adaptations.

oh well, I don't care what people think when they are wrong, she's been using a sword, shield and the lasso for eons, she's been killing since the 90's, and is essentially unapologetic about it, she doesn't have the hangups Supes and Bruce do, because they frame their heroics as vigilantism with a code, meaning they can't kill, because they are already breaching the law, and follow their own moral codes to justify it.. Wonder Women is a soldier and an emissary of a sovereign state, killing is a task she must complete or at least be willing to do, but I know DC fucktards, they'd want even the servicemen in-universe to be shamed for killing in combat, its honeslty infantile, its great to want someone like Superman to be above killing, but it doesn't work on a broad scale.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

It really does look like Gunn did everything wrong on every level. Course, anyone who paid attention to his Superman movie already realized it, but Gunn fans are (currently) the most cringe fanbase.

Makes more sense for Ellison to fire him when the merger’s finished.