Christian theology thread for Christians - Deus homo factus est naturam erante, mundus renovatus est a Christo regnante

[Squanto Airi]

I just say the trinity is like the three states of matter: gas liquid and solid. Water can be steam, ice, or just tap water, but it’s still water in all three states.

And then someone always throws in “but what about plasma” and I am just like,

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[Dagoth AMOGUS]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw

Very simple but informative cartoon, thanks for that

 

[Squanto Airi]

Very simple but informative cartoon, thanks for that

Thanks. I, an Orthodox Laity, got this Lutheran video from a Catholic YouTube review. Now that's what I call an ecumenical council

 

[24nagging]

The real chad answer is "who the fuck cares if it's monotheist?" I mean, are you a Catholic/Orthodox/something? If you are I can't help you but if you aren't the answer is that this creedal bullshit built off some dead homo's pagan philosophy is irrelevant to practicing Christianity. You want a quick trump card, though, tell him that paganism generally assumed a generative Chaos that spawned separate gods with separate personalities, which is completely different from Christian metaphysics assuming that reality was generated from a Logos ("Word" in the Bible, but it means something more like "discourse/reason" in proper translation), a disembodied intelligence, that logicked the world into being and that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are in perfect obedience to. If he's a midwit he'll blow that off, but that IS the answer. Paganism = Chaos + dudes running around like in a capeshit movie fighting each other, ethical monotheism = God IS the source of reality.

this is very blasphemous. You are talking about God here mate, have some respect

I'm a panentheist, meaning I believe that God both "is the universe" (or, being more precise, everything's soul) and is also something more than that from which everything else comes

you are not a Christian then

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw

that video is so bad
we have used analogies for the Trinity since the first century. The terms Father, Son and Holy Spirit are analogous in themselves

 

[Nice Stick]

Some American Protestants denominations didn't believe in the trinity until fairly recently. For example, the 7th Day Adventist General Conference adopted the trinity in 1980, although many preachers wouldn't dare to preach about it until the late 2000's. Presbyterian's didn't *officially* affirm the trinity until 1983 and the Baptists in 2003. A timeline of the fall of Protestantism some would say.

The concept of the trinity seems to me to be much like dark matter in physics. Theologians were building a consistent theological framework, but there were some anomalies that didn't fit. They resolved these problems by bundling them up in a black box and call it done. When you try investigating the black box, you run into the original problems that have no resolution in the existing framework.

 

[24nagging]

The concept of the trinity seems to me to be much like dark matter in physics. Theologians were building a consistent theological framework, but there were some anomalies that didn't fit. They resolved these problems by bundling them up in a black box and call it done. When you try investigating the black box, you run into the original problems that have no resolution in the existing framework.

this analogy is retarded because the Trinity is not something made up to "solve a problem"
It's a divine revealed truth that we can attest both from Scripture and Tradition
it's integral to Christianity both because it is the inner life of God and who God is, and hence, who we worship

 

[Catgirl Tyranid]

I'm fairly certain that whatever the nature of the Trinity, God will not hold us not understanding the nature of the Trinity against us.

It's fun to try though.

 

[24nagging]

God will not hold us not understanding the nature of the Trinity against us.

he will if we try to understand it wrong

 

[Nice Stick]

this analogy is retarded because the Trinity is not something made up to "solve a problem"
It's a divine revealed truth that we can attest both from Scripture and Tradition
it's integral to Christianity both because it is the inner life of God and who God is, and hence, who we worship

What are these spirits in the bible? That's God.
What's the holy ghost? That's God too.
The Son of Man? That's God.
El, Elohim, etal? Those are God too.
Etc.

 

[Nonokay]

The real chad answer is "who the fuck cares if it's monotheist?" I mean, are you a Catholic/Orthodox/something? If you are I can't help you but if you aren't the answer is that this creedal bullshit built off some dead homo's pagan philosophy is irrelevant to practicing Christianity.

This pseudery is cringe
>"erm dead homo's pagan philosophy!!"
>spergs out with cargo cult eastern metaphysics aka adapted neoplatonism
And then you end up deferring to the Creed anyway, by more or less accepting the Trinity from Nicaea. What was the point of that?

Logos ("Word" in the Bible, but it means something more like "discourse/reason" in proper translation), a disembodied intelligence, that logicked the world into being and that Jesus and the Holy Ghost are in perfect obedience to.

Christ is the Logos. All this posturing and you couldn't even read Chapter 1 of St John's Gospel?

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men (St John 1:1-4)

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us (St John 1:14)

This is also satisfying to me because it literalizes the grafting metaphor of Jesus being the vine, a bit. Adam and Eve's decision to sin (metaphor: man becoming psychologically complex enough to become rational moral agents and thus fall out of perfect alignment with cosmic order) means that they became crooked, so to speak.

If this means that creatures are a real constituent of God, then God is a whole partly composed of creation
A whole is dependent on its parts
Therefore, if God is partly composed of creation, God is dependent on creation
Whatever is dependent on creation is not self-sufficient
Whatever is not absolutely self-sufficient is not the unconditioned Ground of Being.
Therefore, if God is partly composed of creation, God is not the unconditioned Ground of Being

So ironically your idea of God is just a really big organism...sort of like a Sky-Daddy with extra steps.

 

[Dan of Steel]

So is arguing about the Trinity going to be the new version of arguing about Gnosticism for this thread?

 

[24nagging]

spirits

depends on the specific context

What's the holy ghost? That's God too.
The Son of Man? That's God.
El, Elohim, etal? Those are God too.
Etc.

these are titles for specific Persons of the Trinity or God as a being. Not different gods or different multiple other persons within one God

So is arguing about the Trinity going to be the new version of arguing about Gnosticism for this thread?

hopefully not

 

[VeteranOfTheRetardWars]

I’ll be real I steer away from debating theology because I know for a fact that I’m dumb as shit and there’s a lot more people a whole lot smarter than me who spent their entire lives thinking on these questions.
And the worst part is that they were also arguing with each other, it can be quite hard to parse out metaphysics.
At the end of the day I really think that what you do is more important than your opinions, at least to a certain extent. But hey, it’s not up to me I’m just a guy.