Autistic Culture Movement / Neurodiversity

[AbsurdumRideo]

Idk I just have to keep telling my dad the difference between other kin, furries and other scams. Bless his heart but people are overrunning his practice as a psychiatrist with this BS.

 

[NerdShamer]

Idk I just have to keep telling my dad the difference between other kin, furries and other scams. Bless his heart but people are overrunning his practice as a psychiatrist with this BS.

Just wait until Passive Demand Avoidance becomes an actual thing, man. Because the current cope about spazzing out because you're an control freak is that it's an perfectly normal variance of humanity and society should be willing to immediately accommodate it.

Sure, let's go ahead and let a tranny dictate how his family should dress. Or let your kid do the feral child routine to the point where they needed to be physically separated from other kids?

As for how it affects them later on in life, I haven't really found much of anything. Most of it is just parents asking for how they can ground their kids with low-demand parenting is or advocating for procrastinating the chores.

But psychology is one of those things that were doomed to be ruined by the fakers. At least the furry shit is extremely easy to disprove, especially if you have an passing knowledge with zoology. With ASD, it just feels like there's an slowly growing list of excuses (or reasons) for being obnoxious over normal shit.

 

[Hypercop]

I don't see much difference between acceptance and suicide, one is just a longer path than the other. What's the point of anything as a genetic dead end? I'm just going to keep desperately trying to get a woman as long as I can, it's all I have.

You have this paradoxical and self-defeating mindset that's very common in most losers now (no offense).

Basically, you've figured out that the domineering narratives our society tells itself are naive bullshit, but when it comes to your own life, you still approach things in a way that's extremely naive. For example, you're here on Kiwifarms opening up about your deepest issues in life and how they make you want to die. Obviously, nobody here actually has the answers you're looking for. When you posted this, part of your brain really wanted to see a reply crop up a few minutes later from some rando telling you the exact solution to all of your problems, whereas another part of your brain already knew that this was completely impossible. It's the former that you should take issue with.

To put it bluntly, you want to have your cake and eat it too: You want to believe that life deep down is brutal, cold, and difficult, and yet you don't want to surrender your current level of comfort by making your real-world behavior match your "blackpilled" beliefs. You want to have the comfort and apathy of the feminized post-World War 2 social order, while also having the blackpilled beliefs that vindicate your loserdom. What does a society of people who believe in the blackpill really look like? Well, it looks like 19th century America, where the average man was expected to display extreme levels of grit, strength, fortitude, willpower and capacity for suffering. A time when life was so hard that 40% of men had a drinking problem. If life is really that difficult, there's no other option but to fight your way through it. Venting on Kiwifarms is letting yourself believe that there's a second option, when there's not.

 

[The_Cowcel]

To put it bluntly, you want to have your cake and eat it too: You want to believe that life deep down is brutal, cold, and difficult, and yet you don't want to surrender your current level of comfort by making your real-world behavior match your "blackpilled" beliefs

The only behavior left would be suicide. I don't have the means to succeed and I can't get them.

What does a society of people who believe in the blackpill really look like? Well, it looks like 19th century America, where the average man was expected to display extreme levels of grit, strength, fortitude, willpower and capacity for suffering.

A man didn't need all that shit just to reach an important life milestone that gives something to suffer for, back then women had to settle and because men could get women they had something to work for rather than just giving up on living because there's no hope of reproducing as an unwanted man and very little that can be done to change that.

A time when life was so hard that 40% of men had a drinking problem. If life is really that difficult, there's no other option but to fight your way through it. Venting on Kiwifarms is letting yourself believe that there's a second option, when there's not.

Back then cars weren't so important for travel and public drinking wasn't cracked down on as hard. now days if you want to drink realistically you're basically forced to stay home, drinking any meaningful amount at venues like a bar is out of the realm of affordability for anyone who isn't a millionaire. Just one night of awkwardly hanging around looking for women can cost upwards of $300. It's no wonder drinking is on the down trend when the very concept of social drinking has been stolen from those of us and we constantly fear DUI. I find myself passing out much sooner when I'm drinking alone compared to if I'm talking to someone.

 

[NerdShamer]

The only behavior left would be suicide. I don't have the means to succeed and I can't get them.

You know, only a retard would consider suicide for this instead of just moving onto...Literally anything else.


Seriously, see an shrink about this, man.

Back then cars weren't so important for travel and public drinking wasn't cracked down on as hard. now days if you want to drink realistically you're basically forced to stay home, drinking any meaningful amount at venues like a bar is out of the realm of affordability for anyone who isn't a millionaire. Just one night of awkwardly hanging around looking for women can cost upwards of $300.

Because what he said wasn't meant to be taken at face value, you sperg

 

[The_Cowcel]

You know, only a retard would consider suicide for this instead of just moving onto...Literally anything else.

Like what? everything just seems like a way to pass the time while hoping to get a woman. I don't see what a psychiatrist could do other than drugging me to the point where I don't care about anything, telling me to give up on the only thing I care about or tell me to keep doing what I'm already doing. I don't get the point of paying just to have someone just to go through the same dialogue tree I've been down dozens if not hundreds of times at this point.

Because what he said wasn't meant to be taken at face value, you sperg

It was a pretty simple claim about higher rates of alcoholism in the past without the context to explain why it's gone down. It's not that men don't want to drink themselves to death anymore, it's that it's become harder to do so while remaining functional.

 

[AbsurdumRideo]

I’d recommend seeing a psychology therapist and do behavioural condition. Good luck.

PL:

Spoiler: Power Level

Dad is a bona fide medfag dealin with this shit on a daily basis. He has a MD in this ( Psychiatry / Neurology). So he gets a bunch of Munchies and he is aware of Münchhausen by Proxy/Internet. I might tell him about KF.

 

[73_Autistic_Fuck_54]

As an actual high functioning autist, it's genuinely fucking maddening watching people claim the HFA/Asperger's label by pathologizing quirks that are well within the bounds of normal human behavior. No! Passively tapping your fingers or occasionally missing sarcasm are not signs of a very real cognitive impairment!

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

Like what? everything just seems like a way to pass the time while hoping to get a woman. I don't see what a psychiatrist could do other than drugging me to the point where I don't care about anything, telling me to give up on the only thing I care about or tell me to keep doing what I'm already doing. I don't get the point of paying just to have someone just to go through the same dialogue tree I've been down dozens if not hundreds of times at this point.

>I don't see
>I don't care
>I don't get

Kind of the core problem of living with autism is that - because you don't see a solution - you think there's no solution. You are mistaking the map for the territory, and the map says 'there's no way out.'

I mean this sincerely: embrace the fact that you are retarded. Take all your doompilled assumptions about your current situation and realize they are also retarded, because a retard (you) believes them, while everyone else manages to carry on. It's not because 'everyone else is retarded and can't see the truth.' You are the retard. They are normal. They are normal because they can function despite this information. Understand? I know normies seem stupid because they dumped all their spec points into socialization and not into entomology, but 'knowing how to work with others' is vastly more useful than understanding per capita.

Shrink yourself, and you'll find you can fit through all kinds of gaps that were previously impassable. When you're smaller, the world gets bigger, and there's more to explore.

 

[The_Cowcel]

Kind of the core problem of living with autism is that - because you don't see a solution - you think there's no solution.

If there is a solution then why can't anybody explain it or even set me on the first steps? I've ruined basically every connection I've had by constantly begging them to give me the means to socialize and make connections but all they ever told me was to go out and do shit I don't care about which never leads to any result except wasted time and wasted money. I've never been directed to any real opportunities and yet I'm the one blamed when my life is uneventful and bland.

I mean this sincerely: embrace the fact that you are retarded. Take all your doompilled assumptions about your current situation and realize they are also retarded, because a retard (you) believes them, while everyone else manages to carry on

I'm smarter than most people I interact with and my assumptions of the outside world are regularly proved right. Nothing I do leads to any new connections being made and nothing seems worth while.

It's not because 'everyone else is retarded and can't see the truth.' You are the retard. They are normal. They are normal because they can function despite this information. Understand? I know normies seem stupid because they dumped all their spec points into socialization and not into entomology, but 'knowing how to work with others' is vastly more useful than understanding per capita.

I can work with others fine, I just can't make them bend to my will because I have no leverage, nothing making them come back and nobody else seems to be nearly as desperate for socialization as I am as such I'm stuck being a perpetual doormat for people I hate,

Shrink yourself, and you'll find you can fit through all kinds of gaps that were previously impassable. When you're smaller, the world gets bigger, and there's more to explore.

I've already explored plenty but it all just boils down to going some place I was told to go to, sitting around for a couple hours and going home a few bucks poorer and a few hours closer to death. Going out has never been a productive use of my time no matter how many times I've tried or where but everyone keeps telling me that I have to and it's somehow meant to eventually pay off if I just keep going through the motions endlessly. To make things worse at these places I'm regularly being surrounded by people who remind me of what I desperately crave, at least on here laughing at lolcows there are some that are in a similar position or worse off compared to me, outside just feels like nonstop torture seeing people have lives I'd kill for while I'm seen as the odd one out for being denied the chance at ever having even the smallest success due to no fault of my own. I do nothing wrong and I still get fucked over constantly because of my desperation.

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

I've never been directed to any real opportunities and yet I'm the one blamed when my life is uneventful and bland.

Normal people only really help you if they sense a payoff. An adult asking for help socializing is a liability that will be difficult to shake. Fortunately, there is AI, which you can ask 1,000 questions about social dynamics without irritating anyone or being vulnerable. I am constantly surprised by its outputs - but my social relations improve when I take it seriously.

I'm smarter than most people I interact with and my assumptions of the outside world are regularly proved right.

Same. And I have made a lot of money in the market from that.

But that doesn't make you any better at socializing, by your own admission. Normal people do not care about being right, they care about group dynamics and social ladders. You are playing the game and they are playing the meta, and look what happened: these people are your bosses, and you are their tool. They are happy with their position, and you are unhappy. So how 'smart' are you really, if they get what they want, and you don't? Smart people get what they want, you are complaining about being unable to get what you want. That's how important the social deficit is.

Find a meta game you can win, and a social life will materialize out of it.

 

[The_Cowcel]

Normal people only really help you if they sense a payoff. An adult asking for help socializing is a liability that will be difficult to shake. Fortunately, there is AI, which you can ask 1,000 questions about social dynamics without irritating anyone or being vulnerable. I am constantly surprised by its outputs - but my social relations improve when I take it seriously.

I don't even have any different questions to ask, I'm still stuck failing to get to the point of human interaction. I feel like I've already been told everything I could be but it's still not enough. If there actually were answers that work I should have found them by now.

Same. And I have made a lot of money in the market from that.

I wish I could say the same, but I've been too beaten down by life to think anything could go my way so I just try to minimize risk, which actually ties into my social failings. I'm constantly worried about fucking up and over analyzing everything, the only times I can really relax and start to socialize normally is when I'm black out drunk but that obviously has it's own problems.

But that doesn't make you any better at socializing, by your own admission. Normal people do not care about being right, they care about group dynamics and social ladders. You are playing the game and they are playing the meta, and look what happened: these people are your bosses, and you are their tool. They are happy with their position, and you are unhappy. So how 'smart' are you really, if they get what they want, and you don't? Smart people get what they want, you are complaining about being unable to get what you want. That's how important the social deficit is.

I was never even given an in to any sort of group or social ladder, I've been treated as a slave by social groups my whole life, people don't even fully finish using me before they cast me aside.

Find a meta game you can win, and a social life will materialize out of it.

There's nothing I can win, even my hobbies I'm a failure at.

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

There's nothing I can win, even my hobbies I'm a failure at.

Yeah I've been there.

I wish I could say the same, but I've been too beaten down by life to think anything could go my way so I just try to minimize risk, which actually ties into my social failings. I'm constantly worried about fucking up and over analyzing everything, the only times I can really relax and start to socialize normally is when I'm black out drunk but that obviously has it's own problems.

Lack of courage; aggravated by not being able to detect the social flow, leading to constant failures, leading to no longer attempting, unless you're drunk enough to no longer worry about failure.

Common problem tbh. Only thing I found worked was to pick a goal I cared about and blunder my way to it, while making a promise to ignore all setbacks. Just pick a goal that won't sink you financially and start chipping away at it.

You'll be surprised how much gives way. I've had some projects seem to turn into total failures, give up on them, only to find that the people I roped in carry it (and me) to the finish line. Just make the goal concrete and measurable, so you can tell if you're actually getting closer to it.

 

[The_Cowcel]

Lack of courage; aggravated by not being able to detect the social flow, leading to constant failures, leading to no longer attempting, unless you're drunk enough to no longer worry about failure.

Correct for the most part, but I think my only problem with "social flow" is in relation to keeping things going and me over thinking things to the point of missing the chance to speak. A lot of my social errors are either a case where I know I am fucking up but am overcome with desperation for help or are situations that I have been intentionally lead into by people seeking to mock me in front of their friends(which I always went along with because those were among the only chances I got to meet someone new)

Common problem tbh. Only thing I found worked was to pick a goal I cared about and blunder my way to it, while making a promise to ignore all setbacks. Just pick a goal that won't sink you financially and start chipping away at it.

The only thing I've really cared about doing for over a decade has been getting a woman and building a social life and in both respects I'm farther from achieving those goals than when I started, at least back then I had some social success online but that was ruined by me trying to get their advice in figuring out what to do with my life.

You'll be surprised how much gives way. I've had some projects seem to turn into total failures, give up on them, only to find that the people I roped in carry it (and me) to the finish line. Just make the goal concrete and measurable, so you can tell if you're actually getting closer to it.

I admit my goal isn't the most concrete thing in the world but there are still definitive steps towards it and I seem to have only gotten farther from that goal the more time passes.

 

[Legalize Asbestos]

I admit my goal isn't the most concrete thing in the world but there are still definitive steps towards it and I seem to have only gotten farther from that goal the more time passes.

Yeah unfortunately 'find a woman' is a paradox where the moment anyone senses that's what you're after - it puts the stink on you. So instead, you do other things that you want that also make you a better catch.

As the saying goes: women want a man with a future, men want a woman without a past.

 

[NerdShamer]

>I don't see
>I don't care
>I don't get

Kind of the core problem of living with autism is that - because you don't see a solution - you think there's no solution. You are mistaking the map for the territory, and the map says 'there's no way out.'

Been there with a few other people. What usually works is me explicitly pointing out what the problem is and how to fix it after watching them REEEEE for a few minutes because they can't work their way backwards or just try something different. But after a certain point, you might get stuck with the same family of problems repeating themselves because everything requires a little bit of creativity to solve in addition to understanding what's actually causing it.

If there is a solution then why can't anybody explain it or even set me on the first steps?

Because let's put it like this. You aren't going to find pretty much anyone unless you have something else besides the sex and romance to the table. Sure, you could be an asshole and fuck an actual tard; but that can come with a series of some very horrific consequences...for you, mostly.

Being even mildly better off than an simple line worker should automatically offset the fact that you're autistic. All you need is to is to not be too weird or honest about what you're after. Like, everyone wants to fuck. But people wants someone who isn't going to be turn out to be an welfare leech or an liability. Sometimes, just having a half-decent job offsets it. Other times, your personality or appearance is what overrides someone's reasoning for it.

Spoiler: Derailment tax

Lots of fancy words just to say that "Love on the Spectrum" is cherry-picking the autists who have an wealthy family backing them up.

Skipping breakfast to avoid facing the responsibilities of the rest of the day

 

[The_Cowcel]

Being even mildly better off than an simple line worker should automatically offset the fact that you're autistic. All you need is to is to not be too weird or honest about what you're after. Like, everyone wants to fuck. But people wants someone who isn't going to be turn out to be an welfare leech or an liability. Sometimes, just having a half-decent job offsets it. Other times, your personality or appearance is what overrides someone's reasoning for it.

Wealth honestly just seems like a bit of a cope unless you you're already socially successful or are spending frivolously to show off to women. I'm not even at the point of having conversations with women so how would they know of my income? In my entire life I don't think I've ever been able to initiate a face to face interaction with an unknown woman for social intent.

Sure you could rent a whore but that's just a worse version of your own hand and there is no validation to receive(unless you're incredibly gullible I guess?).

Been there with a few other people. What usually works is me explicitly pointing out what the problem is and how to fix it after watching them REEEEE for a few minutes because they can't work their way backwards or just try something different. But after a certain point, you might get stuck with the same family of problems repeating themselves because everything requires a little bit of creativity to solve in addition to understanding what's actually causing it.

Most commonly whenever someone tries to "point out" my problems they're pointing to roadblocks that are four or five steps ahead of the furthest I have ever been able to get. Of course I'm going to reee and try to work my way backwards rather than working to prepare myself for hurdles I haven't even been able to reach.

I wish I could speak more on my observations of others but even a lot of genuine retards seem to be able to get farther than I can so I'm mostly focusing on my own jealousy rather than how stupid and trivial their problems are.

Skipping breakfast to avoid facing the responsibilities of the rest of the day

Oh, so that's what "PDA" meant in the context of diagnosis collectors, all this time I thought it was a way of pathologizing sexual harassment into being a disability but that's somehow far more autistic.

Lots of fancy words just to say that "Love on the Spectrum" is cherry-picking the autists who have an wealthy family backing them up.

Huh, based on the writing style I was expecting a pooner, but after seeing pictures of him I think that's an honest to God high functioning male negrosperg. That said he's clearly very indoctrinated by academia as evidenced by how he speaks and his logic isn't very sound. While it's true that the typical working class normie couldn't pick up their lives for a TV show that they aren't getting paid for the same cannot be said for an *un*employed autist who would be making the same tardbux TV or not. Even if there's no assistance provided by the show for travel expenses(which I somewhat doubt) the costs are still technically affordable even for someone on SSDI with a 2k asset limit.

The tards are absolutely curated, but they're curated by severity of condition and sociability. Basically the producers don't want high functioning autists that just seem awkward but otherwise "normal" because that defeats the purpose of the show, and they don't violent rape goblins for liability reasons. The lack of financial incentive combined with presence time obligation also cut down on the high functioning autists who are capable of working in regular jobs(as opposed to specially designed tard affirmation jobs supported by subsidies).

Spoiler: Thread tax of my own

Reddit post with fucked formatting crosspollinating with r/fuckcars / Not Just Bikes / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car
Power pylons are like family?

 

[forgottencoast]

Wealth honestly just seems like a bit of a cope unless you you're already socially successful or are spending frivolously to show off to women. I'm not even at the point of having conversations with women so how would they know of my income? In my entire life I don't think I've ever been able to initiate a face to face interaction with an unknown woman for social intent.

Sure you could rent a whore but that's just a worse version of your own hand and there is no validation to receive(unless you're incredibly gullible I guess?).

I've been lurking this forum for a while now and finally decided to post, not for any particular reason other than I'm feeling especially retarded today. I'm sort of in a similar position to you, but I managed to land myself a minimum wage internship position. It's a lot of BS honestly; pointless meetings and the like. I'm not getting along with my coworkers per se, but I'm also barely interacting with them. I get nervous around women just because I never grew out of the "no girls allowed" phase and I've never voluntarily begun a conversation with a woman as far as I can recall, but I'm good at masking and can present myself in a way that makes me desirable to them. With that being said, I honestly can't even be bothered with this dating shit, because people these days are so shallow and full of themselves and I feel like I wouldn't get enough of a dopamine hit out of sex to make it worth it anyways.

As for money, I don't care very much about it to be honest, but the retard side of me is addicted to seeing numbers go up, which puts me in a bad situation for financial stability. I was daytrading for a while and doing pretty well, but this bullshit pump starting in April wrecked a risky trade of mine, and PDA isn't much of a help in the way of someone being convinced to cut their losses early on. If only I had the foresight of Legalize Asbestos. Oh well, I expect myself to begin trading again in maybe a week or so. I mean, yeah, I'm fully aware that it's pretty retarded to do that, but to be fair, it's not like I'm spending my excess money on anything else, and yes, even with my low paying job, I still have a decent amount of excess money, nothing too crazy though. If I fully focused on making money, I could honestly probably make a lot, but that's unlikely to happen, as I'm too much of a lazy retard. Part of the problem is that I still live with my controlling parents, and they keep forcing me to do things that mess up my schedule/mindset and throw me into a PDA spiral. They're honestly extremely counterproductive to my goals, which I know sounds like retarded cope and probably is, but at this point I'm thinking about just saying screw it and finding a cheap apartment far away from here.

 

[NerdShamer]

Wealth honestly just seems like a bit of a cope unless you you're already socially successful or are spending frivolously to show off to women

It kind of is, but I never really said that you'd have to be upper-middle class for this.

I'm not even at the point of having conversations with women so how would they know of my income?

Partially by your appearance and how you carry yourself. And what you're driving, to an certain extent.

In my entire life I don't think I've ever been able to initiate a face to face interaction with an unknown woman for social intent.

Oh, this is the "Square Zero" situation. From the way you were whining about this, the other week, I'd assume that you were just being shot down

Sure you could rent a whore but that's just a worse version of your own hand and there is no validation to receive(unless you're incredibly gullible I guess?).

Technically, you could practice by flirting with them. But again, STDs with the added possibility that her pimp might beat the shit out of you if he's genuinely more retarded than you are

 

[The_Cowcel]

get nervous around women just because I never grew out of the "no girls allowed" phase and I've never voluntarily begun a conversation with a woman as far as I can recall, but I'm good at masking and can present myself in a way that makes me desirable to them. With that being said, I honestly can't even be bothered with this dating shit, because people these days are so shallow and full of themselves and I feel like I wouldn't get enough of a dopamine hit out of sex to make it worth it anyways.

So you are actually getting success with women despite no effort on your part? How does that work and what does it look like? I've been doing everything I can to work on my appearance and am at the point where I see surgeries as the only things left to do beyond continuing my regular work out routine and further cutting calories despite being told that my body fat level is already lower than it should be. Have you invested a lot into fixing your appearance or is it just your genetics?

As for money, I don't care very much about it to be honest, but the retard side of me is addicted to seeing numbers go up, which puts me in a bad situation for financial stability. I was daytrading for a while and doing pretty well, but this bullshit pump starting in April wrecked a risky trade of mine, and PDA isn't much of a help in the way of someone being convinced to cut their losses early on. If only I had the foresight of Legalize Asbestos. Oh well, I expect myself to begin trading again in maybe a week or so. I mean, yeah, I'm fully aware that it's pretty retarded to do that, but to be fair, it's not like I'm spending my excess money on anything else, and yes, even with my low paying job, I still have a decent amount of excess money, nothing too crazy though

Sounds like you're a lot more optimistic than me at least which is probably good for your ability to function. I always expect the worst so even safe investments make me nervous.

It kind of is, but I never really said that you'd have to be upper-middle class for this.

For most guys maybe, but I have nothing going in my favor. I can't even get interactions with women when everyone else treats that as a nonissue.

Partially by your appearance and how you carry yourself. And what you're driving, to an certain extent.

No amount of money is going to change how I carry myself and there is only so much that can realistically be done to fix my appearance, I don't want to be one of those retards dumping hundreds of thousands of dollars into constant surgeries and revisions, besides that I'm very risk averse and fear wasting money on a bad job especially considering I'm not really aware enough to know all the minor details that need to be fixed.

Oh, this is the "Square Zero" situation. From the way you were whining about this, the other week, I'd assume that you were just being shot down

Those are basically the same thing in the dating site era. I have to be desired to even be able to interact and matches are incredibly rare. I've tried going out like people tell me but in those cases I'm to focused on not making a mistake to be able to do anything.

Technically, you could practice by flirting with them. But again, STDs with the added possibility that her pimp might beat the shit out of you if he's genuinely more retarded than you are

I could try flirting with a LLM as well and it would be cheaper and just as useful as practice, not only that but at least the LLM will be fluent in English.