Alternative fashion discussion

[Goth Pierrot]

I saw someone claim goth was inherently political because goth came from the 60s/70s hippie culture which is just mind boggling how they managed to come to that conclusion

it's very obvious they're not involved in the scene or know anyone who was

 

[Moldy Fleshlight]

gen z goth sincerely believe that 80s goths got their inspiration from drag queens, which is objectively wrong when, a) most drag queens didn't wear the make-up they do now, back then, part from divine, and b) siouxsie sioux and others, were getting their inspiration from silent film stars and the graphic makeup looks from the 60s

That's how I was taught to do it. I never see those silent film stars and others mentioned, but it's very obvious they had an impact, since they wore the cool dark smokey shit first and were in early horror and avant garde films these artists liked.

The gen Z iteration of tradgoth makes me scratch my head, because it doesn't look traditionally like what 80s goths were doing at all, so that's one that's kind of funny to me. I have older friends who told me what they did with their makeup during this time. People weren't as refined or 'snatched', but nobody cared, because they weren't doing it for internet asspats. Instead, they would often get push back from normies about how they looked, sometimes violently, which is something I don't think a lot of younger goths or especially posers understand as something that happened. Hell, even I get sometimes dodgy push back as a goth in current year in the rural, backwards shithole places I've lived.

All that being said, the deathrockers are my favorite musical subgenre and subfashion, but I don't get to see many of them.

Spoiler: Fashion tax

 

[Brenda Holiday]

Speaking of silent film stars, Clara Bow is inspo... I try and do my hair like hers.

 

[Goth Pierrot]

I never see those silent film stars and others mentioned,

they will call you a fake goth for going for that look, and that's happened to me when i have posted on tiktok. they're such non conformist individualists that they all have a uniform, and tell you off for not wearing the uniform.

 

[Moldy Fleshlight]

they will call you a fake goth for going for that look, and that's happened to me when i have posted on tiktok.

I refuse to use tiktok for goth stuff. It's so superficial and they piss me off within 5 minutes of downloading that godforsaken Chinese app every time I try it. I lurk around FB and YouTube online for goth content outside of IRL and friends, and it's a little better. Decent goth content is hard to find. But someone I do like a lot is Mallory Heart. She posts stuff on YouTube doing 80s style tutorials, and I personally enjoy her shorts. She seems like the cool autist kind of goth that's similar to people I actually hang out with and know, rather than someone that just wants to look like us because its suddenly cool now that you see on tiktok.

Here's one example of one of her videos in case anyone wants to check her out:

 

[MIU]

How do you call this style of fashion?

I have never really seen a proper term to describe it when I think this goes extremely hard. The best I've heard it described is as a sort of male equivalent of lolita fashion but even that feels off because it doesn't really have the ageplay-ish tendencies of lolita fashion, not to mention there do exist male examples of lolita fashion and it looks nothing like this.

I love this look because it exemplifies male beauty without removing the masculinity.

 

[MIU]

Wait a minute this is the board for girls, i looked up "fashion" and saw this thread, sorry bout that

 

[Brenda Holiday]

not to mention there do exist male examples of lolita fashion and it looks nothing like this.

I can't imagine what that would look like.

Here's one example of one of her videos in case anyone wants to check her out:

Old post now but I started watching her after you posted her, I loooove her vids. It's nice to see someone know what they're talking about when it comes to vintage fashion, and fashion in general. I really need to learn the basics myself.

 

[MIU]

I can't imagine what that would look like.

It's called Ouji fashion, but it looks ultra gay and despite being a "male equivalent" I can basically only find women wearing it.

 

[Brandy [◉'']]

How do you call this style of fashion?

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I have never really seen a proper term to describe it when I think this goes extremely hard. The best I've heard it described is as a sort of male equivalent of lolita fashion but even that feels off because it doesn't really have the ageplay-ish tendencies of lolita fashion, not to mention there do exist male examples of lolita fashion and it looks nothing like this.

I love this look because it exemplifies male beauty without removing the masculinity.

Honestly, that looks mostly goth to me. I think there is a subset of goth called "Victorian Goth" that should be similar to what you are looking for although the eastern artist exaggerated certain parts of the style which you won't find iRL, like the billowing cape.

 

[Stabby_Pencil]

How do you call this style of fashion?

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I have never really seen a proper term to describe it when I think this goes extremely hard. The best I've heard it described is as a sort of male equivalent of lolita fashion but even that feels off because it doesn't really have the ageplay-ish tendencies of lolita fashion, not to mention there do exist male examples of lolita fashion and it looks nothing like this.

I love this look because it exemplifies male beauty without removing the masculinity.

gothic ouji fashion maybe?

 

[soryu2electricboogaloo]

Speaking of J-fashion substyles and the "wear whatever you want attitude" I see that mindset thrown away like crazy. I see a lot of lolita tier nitpicking in other communities now, like out of nowhere I just saw this idea thrown out that mori kei focuses on natural fibers (like sure, it's underlying) and now I see people going at others for wearing something that might be polyester, regardless if it's bought secondhand or is some known mori brand. I've seen people join communities and claim they're gyaru so they can only wear gyaru clothes (whatever that means tbh). People are just so scared of blending fashions, whether it be brands or colors or silhouettes or whatever, to fit this made up aesthetic. Maybe it's the lolita community who have scarred a couple or they're just that autistic, I really have no idea.

But someone I do like a lot is Mallory Heart. She posts stuff on YouTube doing 80s style tutorials, and I personally enjoy her shorts. She seems like the cool autist kind of goth that's similar to people I actually hang out with and know, rather than someone that just wants to look like us because its suddenly cool now that you see on tiktok.

I also enjoy watching Mallory's content! I really like how she tells everyone like "hey, you don't have to constrict yourself to stuff only made in the 80s, because people in the 80s also wore stuff from the past" and it makes total sense. She's one of the most rational of the modern fashionistas.

 

[Hongourable Madisha]

How do you call this style of fashion?

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I have never really seen a proper term to describe it when I think this goes extremely hard. The best I've heard it described is as a sort of male equivalent of lolita fashion but even that feels off because it doesn't really have the ageplay-ish tendencies of lolita fashion, not to mention there do exist male examples of lolita fashion and it looks nothing like this.

I love this look because it exemplifies male beauty without removing the masculinity.

It looks similar to New Romantic or Elegant Gothic Aristocrat.