[8 July 18] Phil "packing heat" - Substitute phallus in his pants

[wellthathappened]

In the event that Phil goes postal, probably the only person who will be at high risk is Toren.

He will survive the barrage of pellet gun rounds.

 

[Some Manajerk]

Stupid question possibly, I'm non-US based, is the sale of ammunition regulated, or just the firearm itself? How hard is it to get ammunition in the US, especially where he is?

You can buy ammo in the mail here, and have it shipped to you. Admittedly you are going to have to sign for it and shipping tends to be rather pricy, but its handy if you're like me and mainly use older firearms with calibers my dealer don't stock regularly. Especially if you keep an eye out for when you get a huge flood of old surplus ammo hitting the market, like the 8mm from Romania did a few months back.

 

[nvrwastetree]

The last thing a gun dealer is gonna do is sell a gun to someone with an ANTIFA shirt on. If something goes down the dealer would probably be dogpiled by his own clique for doing so.

They probably wouldn't even let him browse or touch any of the display firearms if he came walking in with the "DIE CIS SCUM" shirt he loves to wear but never wash. I'm honestly surprised @Club Sandwich didn't kick him out of the store when. He started to act suspicious, or ask for further clarification when he started to get overexcited about the guns he sells.

Spoiler: ammo

shifty looking guys with hesitation in speech and manner not asking questions for the product, the paperwork, or the shop owner, in addition to paying with someone else's cash is kinda weird. cash alone isn't an indicator.


for many that are cash strapped, i generally point them at certain glock and 1911 "kits" i sell. includes the full size (or compact, depending) 9mm or .45, plus a .22LR conversion kit for inexpensive plinking. a firearm without ammunition is a useless lump of metal. a firearm without regular practice is a liability. $100 for a half case of 9mm is an average price, and unless you're blowing through it in a day, it'll last a month or more for the average shooter that fires off a mag or two on a weekend.

if you are more serious about shooting, you will budget for it and spend the money to meet your own needs. before i was doing it for a living, i probably spent $500-$1000 each month on ammunition alone. because i'm serious about my shooting.

one question i have is that if Phil is toting around a pellet gun, is he aware that any crime performed while he has one will be treated as if it were a real gun? some jurisdictions have a prohibition on any sort of weapon, pellet guns included, for carrying around as it's listed as a public nuisance ordnance. does he honestly expect to shoot a guy talking on his cell phone near him for "transphobia" then get away with it because "it's a loophole! it's not a real gun! neener!"?

Nah, to be honest, Phil is pretty fucking dumb when it comes to laws, and he probably thinks he will get away with it because of some sovereign citizen or unknown tranny law him and a few of his equally tarded friends spread amongst themselves. Nojoke, if Phil ever gets arrested for shooting or waving that stupid pellet gun around, no one will post anything like "free Izzy now!!" Because no one cares. Phil will eventually be released from jail a couple weeks later, then post some autistic rant about how jail was awesome, about how he kicked the biggest dog in the yards ass, and how he now has half the inmates of the Oregon correctional detention center as friends whom have his back (see: fucked Phil in the trench in jail)

 

[AnOminous]

Ammunition usually afaik isn't regulated, just hella expensive.
You can buy a flamethrower for the right price.

Depends on the kind. There are some federal laws about armor piercing ammunition, and some states ban coating bullets with certain things like teflon. There's occasionally a controversy about kinds of bullets that are often called "cop killer" bullets (like Black Talons) by the media with little regard for what actual purpose they have.

 

[GnomeofDoc]

Depends on the kind. There are some federal laws about armor piercing ammunition, and some states ban coating bullets with certain things like teflon. There's occasionally a controversy about kinds of bullets that are often called "cop killer" bullets (like Black Talons) by the media with little regard for what actual purpose they have.

A lot of the the “cop killer” stuff is just meme rounds that are one ridiculously expensive two standard ball is good enough three. Just buy regular hollow points.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Spoiler: this is getting far off topic

You can buy ammo in the mail here, and have it shipped to you. Admittedly you are going to have to sign for it and shipping tends to be rather pricy, but its handy if you're like me and mainly use older firearms with calibers my dealer don't stock regularly. Especially if you keep an eye out for when you get a huge flood of old surplus ammo hitting the market, like the 8mm from Romania did a few months back.

some states regulate internet sale of ammunition. you do not usually need to sign for assembled ammunition - just the powder if you buy powder. ammunition is shipped as ORM-D pursuit to DoT requirements for packaging and transportation. powder (smokeless and blackpowder and substitutes) have slightly different transportation requirements as they are lumped in with other explosive material. i manufacture and sell ammunition, although i don't really ship it anywhere.

ammunition, like gasoline, is an ongoing expense, that is part of firearms ownership. it isn't typically expensive outside of particular boutique cartridges. a small "brick" of .22LR is $6 or so. a box of 9x19 NATO is about $10, and a box of .308 Win is about $18. by contrast, something more exotic like .338 Lapua Magnum from Norma with a Sierra Match Game King bullet is about $4 per cartridge, or $80 for a box of 20.

Depends on the kind. There are some federal laws about armor piercing ammunition, and some states ban coating bullets with certain things like teflon. There's occasionally a controversy about kinds of bullets that are often called "cop killer" bullets (like Black Talons) by the media with little regard for what actual purpose they have.

current federal law for domestic manufacturing and sale precludes "armor-piercing" handgun ammunition from general sale to the public. armor-piercing being defined as a series of construction qualifications, and not on purpose or any actual ability to pierce armor. much like some states regulate the coloring of guns (preventing a manufacturer from making one that looks like a toy), i only know of a couple that forbid possession of various types of jackets on bullets. Alabama forbids brass/steel jacketed teflon coated projectiles for example, but that does nothing for teflon coated lead-alloy, or brass jacketed expanding hollow point bullets.

generally, gun laws are written by people that are ignorant of firearms, so they are largely an incomprehensible combination of being expensive, impossible, or ineffective.

i remember when Winchester's Black Talons were on sale and withdrawn from the market. still have a few boxes. they were a Lub-A-LLoy copper/zinc metallic wax coated projectile meant to save weight, reduce price, and leave no copper fouling. some gangbanger got shot with a few, and the surgeon that pulled the bullets had some mouthpiece saying how awful they were to pull out due to them fragmenting badly in flesh (they were very shitty hollow points that flowered open in a way that let the wax coating split apart into sharp edged little "talons"). so there was a big outcry and they were pulled off the shelves... only for a better version to be sold as the Winchester Ranger-T not even a year later and of course, no one fucking cares except the bitter gunowners thrown under the bus by idiots yet again.

A lot of the the “cop killer” stuff is just meme rounds that are one ridiculously expensive two standard ball is good enough three. Just buy regular hollow points.

mostly true. in certain narrow circumstances you will want to use something other than ball, but for the most part, the 50 round boxes of generic "defense" hollow points are fine for use vs any of the really boutique ammunition. as always, you should choose the right ammunition for your target and firearm that is both affordable and reliable.

is there a link to when Phil was threatening the guy on facebook or whatever?

 

[millais]

He will survive the barrage of pellet gun rounds.

ha ha true, he has a thick enough layer of blubber to ward off the worst of it

 

[DragoonSierra]

Spoiler: ammo

shifty looking guys with hesitation in speech and manner not asking questions for the product, the paperwork, or the shop owner, in addition to paying with someone else's cash is kinda weird. cash alone isn't an indicator.


for many that are cash strapped, i generally point them at certain glock and 1911 "kits" i sell. includes the full size (or compact, depending) 9mm or .45, plus a .22LR conversion kit for inexpensive plinking. a firearm without ammunition is a useless lump of metal. a firearm without regular practice is a liability. $100 for a half case of 9mm is an average price, and unless you're blowing through it in a day, it'll last a month or more for the average shooter that fires off a mag or two on a weekend.

if you are more serious about shooting, you will budget for it and spend the money to meet your own needs. before i was doing it for a living, i probably spent $500-$1000 each month on ammunition alone. because i'm serious about my shooting.

one question i have is that if Phil is toting around a pellet gun, is he aware that any crime performed while he has one will be treated as if it were a real gun? some jurisdictions have a prohibition on any sort of weapon, pellet guns included, for carrying around as it's listed as a public nuisance. does he honestly expect to shoot a guy talking on his cell phone near him for "transphobia" then get away with it because "it's a loophole! it's not a real gun! neener!"?

so even if its vandalism and he doesnt use it he could still get slapped with a gun charge?

 

[Club Sandwich]

so even if its vandalism and he doesnt use it he could still get slapped with a gun charge?

possibly; but unlikely. a better example is brandishing at someone on the street - it would be an offense on the same level as if it were a real firearm.

 

[nvrwastetree]

Spoiler: this is getting far off topic

some states regulate internet sale of ammunition. you do not usually need to sign for assembled ammunition - just the powder if you buy powder. ammunition is shipped as ORM-D pursuit to DoT requirements for packaging and transportation. powder (smokeless and blackpowder and substitutes) have slightly different transportation requirements as they are lumped in with other explosive material. i manufacture and sell ammunition, although i don't really ship it anywhere.

ammunition, like gasoline, is an ongoing expense, that is part of firearms ownership. it isn't typically expensive outside of particular boutique cartridges. a small "brick" of .22LR is $6 or so. a box of 9x19 NATO is about $10, and a box of .308 Win is about $18. by contrast, something more exotic like .338 Lapua Magnum from Norma with a Sierra Match Game King bullet is about $4 per cartridge, or $80 for a box of 20.


current federal law for domestic manufacturing and sale precludes "armor-piercing" handgun ammunition from general sale to the public. armor-piercing being defined as a series of construction qualifications, and not on purpose or any actual ability to pierce armor. much like some states regulate the coloring of guns (preventing a manufacturer from making one that looks like a toy), i only know of a couple that forbid *possession* of various types of jackets on bullets. Alabama forbids brass/steel jacketed teflon coated projectiles for example, but that does nothing for teflon coated lead-alloy, or brass jacketed expanding hollow point bullets.

generally, gun laws are written by people that are ignorant of firearms, so they are largely an incomprehensible combination of being expensive, impossible, or ineffective.

i remember when Winchester's Black Talons were on sale and withdrawn from the market. still have a few boxes. they were a Lub-A-LLoy copper/zinc metallic wax coated projectile meant to save weight, reduce price, and leave no copper fouling. some gangbanger got shot with a few, and the surgeon that pulled the bullets had some mouthpiece saying how awful they were to pull out due to them fragmenting badly in flesh (they were very shitty hollow points that flowered open in a way that let the wax coating split apart into sharp edged little "talons"). so there was a big outcry and they were pulled off the shelves... only for a better version to be sold as the Winchester Ranger-T not even a year later and of course, no one fucking cares except the bitter gunowners thrown under the bus by idiots yet again.


mostly true. in certain narrow circumstances you will want to use something other than ball, but for the most part, the 50 round boxes of generic "defense" hollow points are fine for use vs any of the really boutique ammunition. as always, you should choose the right ammunition for your target and firearm that is both affordable and reliable.

is there a link to when Phil was threatening the guy on facebook or whatever?

So there's a couple threads if you search "Michael Sandell" up in the search bar. I'll include some below

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/9-2-15-phil-resorting-to-threatening-michael-sandell.12300/

Where Phil threatens to call his work and get him fired

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-8-29-tweaker-still-in-phils-autistic-crosshairs.12122/

Where Phil blames everything on said person

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/5-7-16-phil-calls-us-out-and-threatens-his-exs-job.20493/

Where Phil threatens the person's job...again

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/8-22-16-phil-has-homicidal-ideation-re-tweaker.23682/

I think the above post had people in it telling Sandell to contact Portland police because Phil was basically stalking the dudes apartment

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/8-13-2016-phil-threatens-kiwi-associates.23342/

Where Phil threatens us unless null removes threads.

Most of these can be found between pages 10-15 of this subforum. Part of the reason why Phil does this shit is due in part to stress, and him not being capable of coping with the situation, or knowing how to correctly deal with it. The other half is due to him attempting to be a internet tough guy and failing miserably. Even though we know Phil is a gigantic pussy, and even if some how he was lucky to get his shit stained hands on a gun, he would never use it, or end up shooting himself with it, or he would end up posting edgy picture with it, posting them to Facebook issueing death threats, end up being reported, possibly getting a visit from the FBI/Portland PD patryvan, then shitting himself and posting a autistic rant on Facebook like he always does. Even though we laugh at him because he's making an ass of himself, one day, someone will end up taking the threats seriously enough to call the cops/FBI, and just maybe that visit will scare Phil enough to get him to stop making these empty threats.

 

[Adamska]

Phil won't stop given he was too retarded to stop after the Secret Service guys questioned him. He'll just keep doing it as soon as his reptile brain forgets the experience. He'll only stop when he finally dies, thus making the world a genuinely better place.

 

[nvrwastetree]

Spoiler: this is getting far off topic

some states regulate internet sale of ammunition. you do not usually need to sign for assembled ammunition - just the powder if you buy powder. ammunition is shipped as ORM-D pursuit to DoT requirements for packaging and transportation. powder (smokeless and blackpowder and substitutes) have slightly different transportation requirements as they are lumped in with other explosive material. i manufacture and sell ammunition, although i don't really ship it anywhere.

ammunition, like gasoline, is an ongoing expense, that is part of firearms ownership. it isn't typically expensive outside of particular boutique cartridges. a small "brick" of .22LR is $6 or so. a box of 9x19 NATO is about $10, and a box of .308 Win is about $18. by contrast, something more exotic like .338 Lapua Magnum from Norma with a Sierra Match Game King bullet is about $4 per cartridge, or $80 for a box of 20.


current federal law for domestic manufacturing and sale precludes "armor-piercing" handgun ammunition from general sale to the public. armor-piercing being defined as a series of construction qualifications, and not on purpose or any actual ability to pierce armor. much like some states regulate the coloring of guns (preventing a manufacturer from making one that looks like a toy), i only know of a couple that forbid *possession* of various types of jackets on bullets. Alabama forbids brass/steel jacketed teflon coated projectiles for example, but that does nothing for teflon coated lead-alloy, or brass jacketed expanding hollow point bullets.

generally, gun laws are written by people that are ignorant of firearms, so they are largely an incomprehensible combination of being expensive, impossible, or ineffective.

i remember when Winchester's Black Talons were on sale and withdrawn from the market. still have a few boxes. they were a Lub-A-LLoy copper/zinc metallic wax coated projectile meant to save weight, reduce price, and leave no copper fouling. some gangbanger got shot with a few, and the surgeon that pulled the bullets had some mouthpiece saying how awful they were to pull out due to them fragmenting badly in flesh (they were very shitty hollow points that flowered open in a way that let the wax coating split apart into sharp edged little "talons"). so there was a big outcry and they were pulled off the shelves... only for a better version to be sold as the Winchester Ranger-T not even a year later and of course, no one fucking cares except the bitter gunowners thrown under the bus by idiots yet again.


mostly true. in certain narrow circumstances you will want to use something other than ball, but for the most part, the 50 round boxes of generic "defense" hollow points are fine for use vs any of the really boutique ammunition. as always, you should choose the right ammunition for your target and firearm that is both affordable and reliable.

is there a link to when Phil was threatening the guy on facebook or whatever?

I know it should've been included with the previous thread post I made, but the thread link below includes commentary on when Michael Sandell was convinced by other users here to go to the police with the threats made against his life by Phil.

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/ok-yo...ollect-screenshots-to-take-to-the-cops.22882/