Truly changing sex is possible, says Berkeley trans scholar Grace Lavery


When Grace Lavery joined UC Berkeley’s English department in 2013, she didn’t know that she would become one of the most followed trans scholars in the world on social media and an outspoken advocate for the trans community.

An associate professor of Victorian literature, Lavery first became interested in trans studies after reading the work of George Eliot, a 19th-century writer — born Mary Ann Evans, who went by a masculine pseudonym.

“There was this thread that I couldn’t stop pulling on,” said Lavery. “We know that Eliot was read as a male writer by many, many people and wanted to be read as a male writer. Those things are interesting and important. It was something that I thought very deeply about.”

After reading several unsatisfactory explanations about why Eliot used a masculine pseudonym, Lavery began to do her own scholarly research on the subject and is now one of Berkeley’s experts on trans studies.

In 2018, Lavery came out as trans at Berkeley — something she felt she had to do in order to give Berkeley her best work. “Being a professor at Berkeley is the best job in the world,” said Lavery. “It’s an incredible honor and gift and privilege to work in such an environment. I had this tremendous sense that I had to figure out how to live, how to be honest with myself.”

Lavery, a member of the Chancellor’s Advisory Committee on the LGBTQ Communities at Cal, edits
Transgender Studies Quarterly and writes “The Wazzock’s Review” for the newsletter platform Substack. She is also the author of the book, Please Miss (2022), and is working on her next book, Pleasure and Efficacy: Feminism, Psychoanalysis and Trans Embodiment.

Berkeley News spoke with Lavery, who has been living in Brooklyn, New York, with her partner during the pandemic, about her work in trans feminist studies, the challenges and “life-affirming” surprises that she said she has encountered during her own transition and how allies can help to protect trans rights that are under attack in the U.S.

Berkeley News: Your work in trans feminist studies focuses on the belief that transition works — that it is truly possible to change sex. Can you talk more about what you’ve found in your research? Did you begin to explore the idea during your own transition?​

Grace Lavery: I suppose, on some level, I’m bound to cop to that: Research is me-search, as they say. I think what my research has come to demonstrate is that for the past 150 years or so, roughly since the time that people started performing transition or transitioning or whatever you want to call it, there has been this enormous public effort or attempt to produce a cast-iron reason why it doesn’t work or why it is suspicious.

There is a kind of conservative feminist position that argues that sex is set in stone, is assigned at birth. And I don’t agree with that. Most scientists I’ve spoken to seem pretty comfortable with the idea that sex, like any other biological category, is not a cast-iron law, but rather a sort of set of contingencies that can be played with and culturally reinforced or not culturally reinforced.

What I’m really interested in is thinking about the ways in which trans people have helped each other to learn better ways to transition, to effectuate the sex changes we are attempting to pursue. And I’m interested in exploring the ways in which people have, in fact, transitioned and lived entirely unprecedented lives, how it entirely and radically shifted their experience of the world.

What are practical tools that you have learned, or are still learning, from other trans people for how to transition better, to effectuate a sex change better?​

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Lavery’s work in trans feminist studies focuses on the belief that transition works — that it is truly possible to change sex. (Photo courtesy of Grace Lavery)
One of the first things that leaps to mind is a disappointing example, which is when I was first beginning to look into how to train my voice. And, you know, it’s actually a place where I feel a great deal of self-consciousness. I feel like my voice is very masculine in a way that my appearance isn’t. When I walk down the street and I get addressed in a gendered way, then I’m more likely to be called ma’am than sir. But on the phone, I’m almost invariably called sir, and so that’s kind of complicated.

One of the things that I encountered in some of the literature when I was beginning to transition was that people would say, “If you want to be treated as a woman, speak less and ask more questions and direct comments more specifically to other individuals.” And I was like, “Well, to me, that feels fairly misogynist, actually” — that I was supposed to make myself smaller, and I’m not really prepared to do that. I do understand how these things work, but that’s not a deal I’m willing to make.

I think there are other things that you can do, which have to do with moving your mouth forward and sort of putting your palate in a particular position. I’m not very good at them. But I would say that my voice has changed in some sort of strange byproduct of some of the other psychosocial dimensions of transition.

Also, early in my transition, I didn’t know what I looked like — what I was trying to look like — so, it was kind of a desperate and confusing time. But I felt like I had to put on makeup. So, you know, I had to learn how to put on eyeliner. I am really grateful that I was living in the East Bay, where a lot of the trans community was really welcoming to me. I made some incredible friends who could answer questions like, “How does one apply eyeliner?” Or, “How does one stop the Sephora lip stain from spilling in your handbag?” Little bits of knowledge that circulate horizontally among women, which trans women need, but don’t always know how to find out.

What has been most surprising to you during your own transition?​

What continues to astonish me is that, for me, a hormonal transition and social transition has been an incredibly, unexpectedly pleasure-giving and life-affirming experience. More or less, since I started taking estrogen, I have been happier, so much more at ease with myself and with other people. Something in my chest just changed. Now, I sit differently, I want different things, I speak to people in different ways. I really didn’t think that was going to happen.

I would ask people if I seemed like a different person. And from those who knew me well, I would often get the same answer, which is: “You’re like yourself, only more so.”

And so, that’s part of the work, as well — to just let people know that there are things you can do, and they might really make a difference in how you feel about yourself and about the world and your part in it. I don’t think that we know how to talk about the profound effects that hormones have on our ways of engaging and socializing with the world. Certainly, I was not anticipating the overhaul that they would produce in me.

Have you always known that you were trans?​

It’s such a complicated question. I ask myself this all the time because there’s this famous expectation that trans women always knew. It does happen. It’s real. But I didn’t always know.

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At the age of 11, Lavery was sent to an all-boys school. “I felt alienated by boys,” said Lavery. “I was profoundly afraid of the idea that I might one day grow up to become one of them.” (Photo courtesy of Grace Lavery)
I was born in 1983 and spent the first 14 years of my life in a village called Astwood Bank just outside of a town called Redditch in England. I was raised by my mother and my grandmother. At the age of 11, I was sent to a selective boys school called King Edward’s School. When I think about that, I actually feel more grateful than otherwise, because when I arrived, everyone sort of knew that I wasn’t really supposed to be there.

I felt alienated by boys. I was profoundly afraid of the idea that I might one day grow up to become one of them, hostile to the idea of men and grateful that I didn’t have any men living in the home where I was growing up.

I wish I had known I was trans. The thing is, I never knew the opposite. I often suspected. But I didn’t know any trans people when I was a kid, so I didn’t know that there was anything worth knowing. With a bit of luck, hopefully that’s no longer the case for trans kids.

Where are we today with trans rights in the U.S.? And where do you want to see us in the next five years?​

We’re in the midst of a massive backlash against trans civil rights, which is terrifying. We’ve seen bills go through state houses — in Arkansas and Georgia and Iowa — that come darn close to criminalizing the provision of transition-related care, that basically delete an entire field of medicine.

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that it’s happening at the same time as the renewed push against abortion, which will, I think, likely lead to the loss of Roe v. Wade and the criminalization of abortion across much of the country. Those are two parts of the same argument. They are a question of what kind of biopolitical control the state can exert over individuals. Can it prevent them from having an abortion? Can it force them to carry children to term? And can it prevent them from changing sex and force upon them unwanted puberty? Those are political questions around which I think feminists need to unite and demand abortion and transition on demand and without apology.

That’s why feminism remains one of the crucial categorical terms in my own research and my own activism. The problem is that it’s precisely that alliance between trans people and feminists that is being most aggressively eroded by the work of conservative feminists who are attempting to sort of expunge trans women, especially from feminist organizations.

So, where do I hope we are in five years? I just hope we’re where we are now. I hope things haven’t gotten any worse. And then, when we have defeated this insurgency of conservative, anti-LGBT, anti-queer, anti-trans, anti-sex feminists — it’s a small contingency within feminism, but enormously influential online, and a lot of them are men — when we defeat that constituency, then we can begin to think about longer-term organizing goals. But our first goal has to be to protect trans kids and protect the right to abortion. Those are the two things that, for me, go hand in hand.

What can allies do to support and protect trans rights and trans communities?​

There are plenty of organizations that could very well do with your money. The Sylvia Rivera Law Project (a collective organization that works to guarantee that all people are free to determine their own gender identity and expression) is a really, really important one. But I think, also, a great thing to do is to find trans women in your community who are looking for help with shelter and surgery, and then try to defray their costs by contributing to their GoFundMe campaigns.

In terms of one’s labor and one’s energies, find where trans people are in your community and make friends with them. Just make sure that you are doing everything to affirm everyone in your life, to affirm self-orientation and self-determination of gender. It just seems like it’s one of the few political battles where the fight is between a version of total control and a version of total freedom.
 
It's telling that most trannies argue today that "gender isn't sex, know the difference bigot!" and this article is bait-and-switching, treating 'sex' verbally as 'gender.' These people can't agree on the terms or are willfully misusing them, which destroys any scholarly or scientific credibility that they're grasping for.
 
- There is too much variation, both physically and psychologically to label people either male or female. There are endosex and intersex males and females and four basic gender identities; agender , bigender, cisgender and transgender.
Nah it's actually really easy to tell people apart and label them with virtually 100% accuracy. You see, humans are divided into two categories: male and female. Penis and testicles means male, while vagina, ovaries and a uterus means female. No variation at all. Babies born with bits of both have extremely rare birth defects.

"Agender," "bigender," and "transgender" are psychological delusions and aren't actually real things. Kind of like the stuff a schizophrenic person thinks their toaster is saying to them. You're welcome!
 
What is her major if she's a trans scholar?


Oh so she has an associates in literature and was inspired to study troonism by a fucking woman with a pen name, who's own Wikipedia article hasn't been vandalized like 'Public Universal Friend', due to the fact female writers of the time were expected to write gay whimsical shit.


Curiously her article is headed George Elliot, so they may troon her out anyways.
An associate degree and an associate professor are different things. An associate professor is essentially a mid seniority professor. They get it after being promoted from assistant professor. At any university the bare minimum for a professor position is a bachelor in a relevant field and a further master or PhD is required or heavily favored at most institutions. (There's lots of nuances to this such as what classes they're teaching, what research they're doing, whether they'll be grad student advisors, and industry experience) I suspect this is true of a large university like Berkeley, but nobody in their English department lists their degrees in their faculty profile.

An associate degree is a two year degree. They're generally used for either technical training or for people that are bailing out of college early but still want a piece of paper for it. They won't get you anywhere in academia.
 
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Nah it's actually really easy to tell people apart and label them with virtually 100% accuracy. You see, humans are divided into two categories: male and female. Penis and testicles means male, while vagina, ovaries and a uterus means female. No variation at all. Babies born with bits of both have extremely rare birth defects.

"Agender," "bigender," and "transgender" are psychological delusions and aren't actually real things. Kind of like the stuff a schizophrenic person thinks their toaster is saying to them. You're welcome!
You are horribly misinformed and grossly ignorant of the science of sex and gender. You really should get current instead of boldly saying things that are completely false. Hermaphroditism is rare, but it's not a defect; just an atypical genetic expression.

It's telling that most trannies argue today that "gender isn't sex, know the difference bigot!" and this article is bait-and-switching, treating 'sex' verbally as 'gender.' These people can't agree on the terms or are willfully misusing them, which destroys any scholarly or scientific credibility that they're grasping for.
"Sex" is determined by one's gonads and has little to do with a person's gender identity, which is determined by a mosaic of structures in the brain. In most people, their innate gender identity mostly matches their sex, but masculinity and femininity manifest on a spectrum, not one or the other, and some people , like me, end up completely cross wired between their sex and gender. Think of all the physically effeminate boys and masculine girls that have always been around you. Why are they stigmatized and oppressed for just being themselves?

The reality is far too complex to be all tied up into this strict, heteronormative sex/gender binary bag.

Sex organs, sexual orientation, gender identity and gender roles need to be looked at separately to understand the full spectrum of human sexuality.
Sometimes I see comics or drawings where trannies are drawn with obvious stubbles and I think, “They may be fat and ugly but they at least remember to shave, come on.” But then a tranny comes along to prove me wrong!
it's a fashion thing. Times change. Conchita Wurst made beards fashionable on trans women and numerous cis women are growing their beards out. The Overton Window has shifted drastically in the past ten years along with medical knowledge, making this sort of transphobic reasoning socially unacceptable, politically incorrect speech.
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This article is an absolute trashfire. No father, because of course. Grateful for not having a father because he hates men from a young age. Made no effort to connect to boys his age, fearful that he would grow up to be one of them.

Lavery and substantially all trannies prove that self-hating men are worse on all fronts than men who have self-respect. They impose more on others, are many times more entitled, and are many times more worthless than an average man.

Lavery and his ilk provide nothing of value to humanity. Lavery, in particular, is a creepy, controlling abuser of his "husband".
 
SPERM CELLS = MALE GAMETE
THEREFORE IF YOU PRODUCE OR HAVE EVER PRODUCED SPERM
YOU'RE MALE
THAT'S IT
END OF QUESTION

There's not 3rd option and you cannot go from producing sperm to having eggs. And yes, infertile people or intersex people are still male or female because without the defining factor (sperm or eggs) they lean towards the gender based on their equipment.

But if you have or have ever had the defining factor of your gender, be they sperm of egg cells, then too bad nigga, you're either male if sperm or female if eggs. And that will never change, no matter the makeup or dresses you wear. No matter what bodypart you mutilate

This is the case not just for humans, but even for virtually all mammals and most birds. Even they understand what a male and what a female is, without having language. It's as clear cut as anything.

I swear, this troon shit was already laughable when it was "I have a female soul in a male body" but outright claiming you're biologically female? Get the fuck out lmao
 
Yeah that's all bullshit and what I said was correct.

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do go on, derp. how does this fit in your recto-cranially inverted world view?
SPERM CELLS = MALE GAMETE
THEREFORE IF YOU PRODUCE OR HAVE EVER PRODUCED SPERM
YOU'RE MALE
THAT'S IT
END OF QUESTION

There's not 3rd option and you cannot go from producing sperm to having eggs. And yes, infertile people or intersex people are still male or female because without the defining factor (sperm or eggs) they lean towards the gender based on their equipment.

But if you have or have ever had the defining factor of your gender, be they sperm of egg cells, then too bad nigga, you're either male if sperm or female if eggs. And that will never change, no matter the makeup or dresses you wear. No matter what bodypart you mutilate
doctors don't agree with you. https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...6uaK9v6zXDTibqy4zs83N-HqSfMwy-wBJB9Q7DktMvmek
 
do go on, derp. how does this fit in your recto-cranially inverted world view?

doctors don't agree with you. https://blogs.scientificamerican.co...6uaK9v6zXDTibqy4zs83N-HqSfMwy-wBJB9Q7DktMvmek
Your link doesn't even disprove anything lmao, it simply says there's more than XX or XY and I never claimed otherwise. They define sex purely by chromosomes, but the sex gametes are a far more logical standard, which is used just as often and works for humans, almost all mammals AND most birds

Intersex doesn't disprove it, the vast majority of them are still intersex male or intersex female. If they're infertile they fall outside of the spectrum because they lack the defining factors of each sex, sperm and egg cells. It doesn't make them a 3rd option, because they can't procreate. But are all intersex even infertile? Because if not, then it's not even a discussion.

I'm sorry, troons are not, and will never be, women. The vast majority of, if not virtually all, humans agree with this. Even animals without language know what females and males are.

This attempt at "but some humans have xxy therefore troons are now women" is a pointless endevour. It's bullshit, everyone sees through it, based on twisting science (like using xx and xy as bases rather than sex gametes) and it's overal the shittiest form of gaslighting known to man
 
Men with middle eastern blood make bad Trannies because even if a Arabic man shaves his face fully and completely as smooth as possible he has a full five o’clock shadow 30 minutes later after shaving.
 
Your link doesn't even disprove anything lmao, it simply says there's more than XX or XY and I never claimed otherwise. They define sex purely by chromosomes, but the sex gametes are a far more logical standard, which is used just as often and works for humans, almost all mammals AND most birds
please get current . you're standing on a rudimentary understanding of obsolete high school level Biology. It's just not nearly that simple and there is no just and rational reason to stigmatize gender non-conforming people just because they're GNC.
The one getting pregnant is a woman, not a man. She has ovaries and a uterus. It fits perfectly fine and I'm still correct.
no, you're still standing on obsolete biology and abnormal psychology. please get current and read the report i linked above.
 
You know, Tommy, I preferred you spamming up your own threads. You're not teaching anyone anything; what is there to learn from a well known fantasist and liar other than the valuable lesson of knowing when not to listen?

As for the article.... Cope, seethe and dilate you five-o'clock ogre, your own credentials write you off as worth listening to. You would probably be ten times more believable if you left out every little narcissistic detail about yourself. Dumb fucking troon. Stick to the science if you want to be taken seriously.
 
please get current . you're standing on a rudimentary understanding of obsolete high school level Biology. It's just not nearly that simple and there is no just and rational reason to stigmatize gender non-conforming people just because they're GNC.

no, you're still standing on obsolete biology and abnormal psychology. please get current and read the report i linked above.
Here's one for you, faggot:


Sperm is male, egg is female. You're male, and you will never be female. Your link yet again disproves nothing. Yeah sometimes males can have brains that look similair to the ones females tend to have. Doesn't fucking matter because you're still biologically male, and will always be
 
Your link doesn't even disprove anything lmao, it simply says there's more than XX or XY and I never claimed otherwise. They define sex purely by chromosomes, but the sex gametes are a far more logical standard, which is used just as often and works for humans, almost all mammals AND most birds
please get current . you're standing on a rudimentary understanding of obsolete high school level Biology. It's just not nearly that simple and there is no just and rational reason to stigmatize gender non-conforming people just because they're GNC.
You know, Tommy, I preferred you spamming up your own threads. You're not teaching anyone anything; what is there to learn from a well known fantasist and liar other than the valuable lesson of knowing when not to listen?

As for the article.... Cope, seethe and dilate you five-o'clock ogre, your own credentials write you off as worth listening to. You would probably be ten times more believable if you left out every little narcissistic detail about yourself. Dumb fucking troon. Stick to the science if you want to be taken seriously.
I'm not transsexual, you deranged, fucking toxic transphobic talk ing turd. I'm an intersex female seeking to mate with an intersex male. I have male junk and have no problem being accepted as a dyke with a dick. go argue with transsexuals, derp.
Here's one for you, faggot:


Sperm is male, egg is female. You're male, and you will never be female. Your link yet again disproves nothing. Yeah sometimes males can have brains that look similair to the ones females tend to have. Doesn't fucking matter because you're still biologically male, and will always be
lol. a somewhat dated curriculum on reproductive biology, disproves nothing I've said about the psychology of gender. i am only male below the belt, but that is something a close, minded person like yourself conditioned with obsolete biology, debunked pseudoscience and paranoid delusions, probably deeply seated in homosexual and transgender urges you suppress, is not likely to ever comprehend.
 
lol. a somewhat dated curriculum on reproductive biology, disproves nothing I've said about the psychology of gender. i am only male below the belt, but that is something a close, minded person like yourself conditioned with obsolete biology, debunked pseudoscience and paranoid delusions, probably deeply seated in homosexual and transgender urges you suppress, is not likely to ever comprehend.
If male and female are apparantly so hard to define and so vague, then how come a male dog knows exactly which dogs are female?

Also nice try just linking the same bullshit link you already posted. Again, it doesn't disprove my point. The gametes define sex, they still do and always will and you will never be a woman. But fuck it, just answer the question.
 
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