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They went from "we know sex and gender are different!!1! no one is trying to erase sex!!!" to "acknowledging sex is literal violence" real quick.
It's fucking insane how what is considered acceptable language changes several times within a year. I remember it went from being, "sex and gender are different, trans people are biologically [male/female] but their gender identity is the opposite", to "don't say biological, you should say they have the body of a [male/female]", so flat out stealing intersex terminology (AMAB/AFAB and CAMAB/CAFAB), to deciding that biological sex is an arbitrary product of colonialism and gender identity matters more (even though their goddess Judith Butler was the one who proposed gender was a social construct), and now transwomen have decided they're the only people who matter so now people are pressured to disclose if they're "TME" (transmisogyny exempt) or "TMA" (transmisogyny affected) instead of male/female or "cis"/trans.

I think the distrust of the medical community is the oddest, saddest thing about a lot of trans discourse because it's encouraging the whole community to think doctors are trying to hurt them by treating their physical body as it exists.
It's weird how they both seem to hate and love doctors at the same time. They're against "gatekeeping" (AKA screening if people are actually mentally well enough to know what hormones even do) and consider any therapy that doesn't blindly validate someone's gender identity to be on par with gay conversion therapy, but at the same time the moment someone expresses discomfort with their body or sexuality they NEED to transition ASAP or else they'll kill themselves.

Ironically, while transmedicalists used to be the side on the trans debate that made somewhat more sense, the fact most of them trust doctors too much is why I find them annoying.

Debrah doesn't even hate transgender/transsexual people. She's not at all a radical feminist. In fact, Soh is rather sympathetic and empathetic towards genuine individuals with actual gender dysphoria. She just doesn't believe that gender is a social construct and that there are more than two genders.
Debra Soh is literally a moderate in the gender wars. She's supportive of teenagers and adults medically transitioning but also knows that puberty blockers are dangerous, and is fine with transwomen using women's public restrooms but not private biological female-only spaces or rape shelters. But I guess when it comes to supporting the troons it's either all or nothing...

I thought "The End of Gender" was an extremely engaging read, even if it's really just a long essay in the form of a book. She's pissing of both radfems and troons, so I think she's doing something right. It's funny that she's so controversial - she's basically just saying that there are also biological foundations for behaviour as well as sociological. I thought that we were over the "nature vs nurture"-debate and had acknowledged this a long time ago, but that just shows how much I know.
I actually liked that the book had takes that would piss both sides off, lol. I'm more often than not on the Radfem side so I disagreed with some things, but unlike the transactivists she had decent backing for her opinions so it was enough for me to understand where she was coming from.
 
Debra Soh is literally a moderate in the gender wars. She's supportive of teenagers and adults medically transitioning but also knows that puberty blockers are dangerous, and is fine with transwomen using women's public restrooms
Supporting the trooning of teens and adults (without exception) and men in womens restrooms is not moderate. I don't give a fuck what Soh does. She is still supporting a dangerous ideology.
 
I actually liked that the book had takes that would piss both sides off, lol. I'm more often than not on the Radfem side so I disagreed with some things, but unlike the transactivists she had decent backing for her opinions so it was enough for me to understand where she was coming from.
Debra Soh made a really good point that the activism science, regardless of the political stance, isn't really science at all. It's just political dogma masquerading as something scientific. Which I find true because neither side, (even though a lot of the GC Feminists and RadFems are quite logical and rational individuals) can really back up the claim of "gender is a social construct" or even properly define it. It all just goes back to talking points relating to terms like "capitalism", "cis heternormative patriarchy", "male supremacy", etc.
 
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Supporting the trooning of teens and adults (without exception) and men in womens restrooms is not moderate. I don't give a fuck what Soh does. She is still supporting a dangerous ideology.
Debra has been quite vocal about being against transactivism and supporting those who are against it and disagree with it. She's also completely against MTF's playing in women's sports and the redefining of lesbians by others who aren't lesbians (namely AGP "transbians"). Just because you don't 100% agree with everything she's said doesn't mean she completely supports the ideology.
 
HER app dump
some actual girls for a change

This one is Ellen/Elliot Page's fault. Like, literally her fault.
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Emily has been seen before, but she's smeared on a mascara goatee, so the situation is escalating.
The Ashley to Aiden pipeline
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The Ashley to.. Ryan? pipeline (girls at least change your name in the app it's not hard)
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"Funny tender queer scout ENBY transmasc ENFP, ADHD, bratty fox, subby switch, GGG, kitchen table poly relat anarchy"
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Both of these pube beards made me very uncomfortable
45-year-old mom, trooned at age 41, gives me extreme uncanny valley reaction even with the beard.
"I describe my gender identity as... Trans masc. I'm a guy- with boobs and a vag. Best of both worlds, really." lol this bitch
FTM correctly says that the autogynephile creeps are bad for the whole lgbt, is shouted down as a twanzphobe
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Good luck, Skinny, you seem too based for your own community. Hope you come to your senses before you chop anything off.
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mods caught that comment pretty quick but thanks for the laugh, Mari :story: Love when you can see the discontent before it is quickly swept under the rug

This is just a cascade of horrors.

Why the hell would any right-minded lesbian go near this shit circus of an app?
 
I think this could be a worthy lolcow
 

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HER app dump
some actual girls for a change

This one is Ellen/Elliot Page's fault. Like, literally her fault.
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Emily has been seen before, but she's smeared on a mascara goatee, so the situation is escalating.
The Ashley to Aiden pipeline
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The Ashley to.. Ryan? pipeline (girls at least change your name in the app it's not hard)
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"Funny tender queer scout ENBY transmasc ENFP, ADHD, bratty fox, subby switch, GGG, kitchen table poly relat anarchy"
:stress:
Both of these pube beards made me very uncomfortable
45-year-old mom, trooned at age 41, gives me extreme uncanny valley reaction even with the beard.
"I describe my gender identity as... Trans masc. I'm a guy- with boobs and a vag. Best of both worlds, really." lol this bitch
FTM correctly says that the autogynephile creeps are bad for the whole lgbt, is shouted down as a twanzphobe
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Good luck, Skinny, you seem too based for your own community. Hope you come to your senses before you chop anything off.
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mods caught that comment pretty quick but thanks for the laugh, Mari :story: Love when you can see the discontent before it is quickly swept under the rug
From "Marlo's" section:
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The first three are practically interchangeable, good lord. LGBTQ+++ pride themselves on nonconformity, but they're as terrified to stand out from their own little tribes as any obnoxious hipster would be
 
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I always like to check out the threads on r/AskTransgender that were obviously made by teens. You can see the cult in action as the commenters groom / give awful advice to confused kids.
You are valid uwu! Your parents are transphobes! Move out ASAP and cut them out of your life! Go to r/TransDIY for tips on buying shady hormones off the internet! (etc, etc...)

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This kid happens to have early-onset male pattern hair loss, yikes. And he thinks/hopes HRT can reverse this somehow... Good luck with that!

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More lies the cult told him.
"Every trans person can eventually pass if you just keep chasing that dragon! ;) And when you've ruined your life several years later after butchering your body and alienating all your friends & family, just join the 41% and we'll be sure to use your death as a talking point against the evil transphobes! :)"

He also has a post history full of selfharm and suicidal ideation, lovely.
As far as I can tell, he's just another modern-day failed male who thinks maybe he can succeed as a woman instead. The cult, naturally, has told him that transitioning will solve all his problems.
Trust us! It will totally cure your depression "gender dysphoria" and reverse your premature hair loss. :)
POV: You're a 15 year old confused male on reddit
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ask/comments/m8h2c1/my_11yo_daughter_told_me_today_that_her_pronoun/
Social contagion strikes again. An 11-year-old girl thinks she's trans, and her confused mother decides that asking for advice on Plebbit is a good idea. 🤦‍♀️ You probably already know how this will turn out...

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A trans witch (not even kidding) immediately jumps in to recommend r/AskTransgender for official, cult-approved advice. Even throws in a jab about the evils of CONVERSION THERAPY, which is code for any therapy that doesn't encourage trooning out ASAP.
The confused mother thanks the nice witch for the help, isn't that wonderful! :)

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https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/m8iddx/what_should_i_do_to_support_my_11yo/
And so here we are on r/AskTransgender. Interestingly, this is apparently her second attempt at posting here; she deleted her first post after the commenters attacked her for some reason. Again, "conversion therapy" gets brought up. Troons are really conniving about this, and it disgusts me. They consider any therapist who isn't "gender-affirming" and doesn't rubber-stamp transitions to be just as bad as those electric-shock gay conversion therapy kooks.

This will get too long if I screencap the replies, so check them out for yourself if you're interested. They basically all say that OP needs to be "supportive" (enabling) of her child trooning out. One comment even tells OP to "formally, explicitly, clearly apologize" to her 11-year-old basically for wrongthink. WTF? :lunacy:


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https://www.reddit.com/r/cisparenttranskid/comments/m8jg7f/my_11_year_old_just_told_me_there_preferred/
OP also posted in another troon-affiliated subreddit. See how the troons have already made her feel like the bad guy who needs to repent? It's fucked up.

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This little girl is doomed.
 
The more I visit this thread. The more I lose faith in humanity.

Where did we go wrong bros? When did trooning out become hip for mental rejects?
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/ask/comments/m8h2c1/my_11yo_daughter_told_me_today_that_her_pronoun/
Social contagion strikes again. An 11-year-old girl thinks she's trans, and her confused mother decides that asking for advice on Plebbit is a good idea. 🤦‍♀️ You probably already know how this will turn out...

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A trans witch (not even kidding) immediately jumps in to recommend r/AskTransgender for official, cult-approved advice. Even throws in a jab about the evils of CONVERSION THERAPY, which is code for any therapy that doesn't encourage trooning out ASAP.
The confused mother thanks the nice witch for the help, isn't that wonderful! :)

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https://www.reddit.com/r/asktransgender/comments/m8iddx/what_should_i_do_to_support_my_11yo/
And so here we are on r/AskTransgender. Interestingly, this is apparently her second attempt at posting here; she deleted her first post after the commenters attacked her for some reason. Again, "conversion therapy" gets brought up. Troons are really conniving about this, and it disgusts me. They consider any therapist who isn't "gender-affirming" and doesn't rubber-stamp transitions to be just as bad as those electric-shock gay conversion therapy kooks.

This will get too long if I screencap the replies, so check them out for yourself if you're interested. They basically all say that OP needs to be "supportive" (enabling) of her child trooning out. One comment even tells OP to "formally, explicitly, clearly apologize" to her 11-year-old basically for wrongthink. WTF? :lunacy:


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https://www.reddit.com/r/cisparenttranskid/comments/m8jg7f/my_11_year_old_just_told_me_there_preferred/
OP also posted in another troon-affiliated subreddit. See how the troons have already made her feel like the bad guy who needs to repent? It's fucked up.

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This little girl is doomed.
"Puberty blockers are totally reversible and have very few side effects."

Damn it all to hell. Thanks for destroying this little girl's life, Reddit.
 
"Puberty blockers are totally reversible and have very few side effects."

Damn it all to hell. Thanks for destroying this little girl's life, Reddit.
Waiting the 10-15 solid years to be proven right feels extra bad because of all the kids who will get destroyed because of this. But I really think that's what it's going to take at this rate, the physical fallout as people's bodies start failing them early from puberty blockers and HRT and more people get the giant mistake that is SRS. The grooming and fucked up social shit is too easily swept aside, but when these skyrocketing numbers of trans kids enter adulthood and start dropping like flies they'll have a hard time spinning it.
 
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