U.S. Riots of May 2020 over George Floyd and others - ITT: a bunch of faggots butthurt about worthless internet stickers

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Portland antifa and their boosters not happy after getting kettled and arrested last night while breaking windows in residential areas.

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Ya know, if I had been having my family's name and faces in the news for almost a year, and then it became widely known that we just got millions of dollars...I might be a little nervous that some group known for Burning Looting and Murdering might decide to target us. Not to mention every broke-ass cousin in existance would come around with a hand out.
Don't worry the money is already spent before it even got deposited into their accounts. Gotta get da blang y'all.


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Na, that I'm just a bit bored of /pol/ jumping onto kiwi and "Chauvin dindu nuffin wrong" so Ill jump into the thunderdome for a bit because this shouldn't just turn into a hugbox
Thank you for your service sir, what would we do without you.
But once the guy is actually starting to loose breath and your fellow officers are saying "dude, something is fucked up"

Where do his fellow officers say that? Because I went back to the bodycam and couldn't find it. The closest thing is a guy saying "Should we move him to his side. I'm worried about delirium." and Chauvin (or the other officer) responds with "Yeah, that's why I called the EMTs".
This is before George stops "responding" mind you so it's not like that was the reason for him to ask it.

You're implying you never, never, under any circumstances take your knee off the guys neck?
The period between Floyd "calming down" and the EMTs arriving is around 3, maybe 2 and a half minutes. In that period George is still moving about but way less than he did, and he stops talking. First of all, that's a relatively short period of time, and they're dealing with the group of onlookers who are trying to get closer and shouting things at them. That's the reason Chauvin is looking around constantly, to make sure someone isn't about to jump them or do something stupid.

You're looking at this as a person who sees a crisis event like this once, Imagine this is your arrest number 523 and maybe the 16th call you had today, some guy is resisting probably on drugs saying he can't breathe. You get him down on the ground because he asked, you put him in a textbook restraint with a knee on his upper back/neck. He keeps saying he can't breathe and that you're killing him, so are his fellow democrats that have gathered around you. You've had this kind of shit happen all the time, you're taught to maintain composure and not give in to the worry, they all say they're dying after all. Now the guy keeps speaking shouting ect, you've already called the ambulance, some guy is trying to get closer and you're telling him to stand back. Meanwhile the guy you're arresting stops being as responsive, he still moves about but not nearly as much as before. Do you A) assume that he ingested fentanyl has a heart condition and will die in the ambulance that's arriving if you don't remove his knee (mind you there's no proof this would have helped) or B) assume the guy got tired of bitching and is slowly calming down.

To answer your question, no none is implying that you never loosen a restraint. What's being said is that in this period of 3 minutes completely backing off this already most-likely mild restraint with a non-compliant drugged up 6'4'' man and presumably giving him CPR is not a reasonable judgment call to expect someone to make.

Mind you that when the EMTs arrive, Chauvin still has the restraint on and only moves his knee slightly so the EMT can check the pulse. The EMT doesn't freak out at him or act as if this is some horrible thing. It is expected, it is standard procedure.
 
In that period George is still moving about but way less than he did, and he stops talking
There you go.
Do you A) assume that he ingested fentanyl has a heart condition and will die in the ambulance that's arriving if you don't remove his knee (mind you there's no proof this would have helped) or B) assume the guy got tired of bitching and is slowly calming down.
You don't know, and you don't assume- you restrain him another way, seems pretty obvious when his breathing is getting more shallow, moving way less, talking softer and less that something is up. Other cops concern at this point says a lot too.
To answer your question, no none is implying that you never loosen a restraint.
Several people seemed to be, actually
and presumably giving him CPR is not a reasonable judgment call to expect someone to make.
Noone is suggesting giving him CPR, however.

The entire thing is, you don't know whats going on, but you seem to imply that the only possible way to restrain him was knee-on-neck. Its procedurely not, and especially not once his breathing is getting dangerously shallow.
 
There you go.

You don't know, and you don't assume- you restrain him another way, seems pretty obvious when his breathing is getting more shallow, moving way less, talking softer and less that something is up. Other cops concern at this point says a lot too.

Several people seemed to be, actually

Noone is suggesting giving him CPR, however.

The entire thing is, you don't know whats going on, but you seem to imply that the only possible way to restrain him was knee-on-neck. Its procedurely not, and especially not once his breathing is getting dangerously shallow.

Since you're intentionally avoiding addressing certain points I made I assume you're more invested in having a "both sides have points" attitude than the truth.

No one is implying that it's the only way to restrain him, it's just the way they decided to do it since it's a very secure hold, avoids too much contact and allows you to look around and stay alert. (And also since he asked to be laid down)

His breathing getting shallow is not something they can be sure of, the things you mention such as moving less, talking less are things I mentioned because they happen very often in arrests when the criminal gives up. The adrenaline starts calming going down. Especially when they are held down and can't struggle too much.

The cops concern which amounts to "Should we turn him on his side, oh no? Ok" isn't a sign that Chauvin was wrong. The guy was a trainee, Chauvin had the experience and he was probably right in that situation.

I look forward to seeing what partial sentences and "implications" you can extract from this post.
 
Since you're intentionally avoiding addressing certain points I made I assume you're more invested in having a "both sides have points" attitude than the truth.
Which points am I avoiding?
No one is implying that it's the only way to restrain him
Okay, than if theres more than one way- why not move to a safer one? The only reason I can see why not, is if it would be the only way, or safest. If its neither the only way, and not the safest for someone who is breathing more shallow- surely you can switch
His "breathing" getting shallow is not something they can be sure off, the things you mention such as moving less, talking less are things I mentioned because they happen very often in arrests when the criminal gives up
Yeah but "should we do something"
>The EMTS are coming

Isn't really good enough, you should probably move body to a better position in the meantime
The cops concern which amounts to "Should we turn him on his side, oh no? Ok" isn't a sign that Chauvin was wrong. The guy was a trainee, Chauvin had the experience and he was probably right in that situation.
Evidently not, considering most police associations pretty much agree "yeah, the knee on neck went on for far too long"
I can't see outside of my ideological blinders, and would love it if you fucked me in the ass
Thank you, I may
 
Pretty dangerous, considering the state can pretty easily use this to suppress criticism by labelling it as an "insult that could cause people to act violent"

I get where theyre coming from;

but what happens when you have a blue mayor send police out to stomp lockdown protestors, someone calls them a bunch of tyrannical cunts, and then "sorry sir, that could lead to a violent response so you have to be arrested now".

Its like the UK, but done for the "right" right wing reasons now, but opening the way in for potential future abuse.
 
Which points am I avoiding?

Okay, than if theres more than one way- why not move to a safer one? The only reason I can see why not, is if it would be the only way, or safest. If its neither the only way, and not the safest for someone who is breathing more shallow- surely you can switch

Yeah but "should we do something"
>The EMTS are coming

Isn't really good enough, you should probably move body to a better position in the meantime

Evidently not, considering most police associations pretty much agree "yeah, the knee on neck went on for far too long"

Thank you, I may
I'm starting to realize you are simply in this thread to pick fights. How about come back to it after more evidence is out to see who was wrong/right instead of clogging up a page?
 
I'm starting to realize you are simply in this thread to pick fights. How about come back to it after more evidence is out to see who was wrong/right instead of clogging up a page?

Its kind of a fun byproduct when people keep tagging me; but no- if someone wants to argue "Chauvin dindu nuffin wrong" Ill point to the places within the case where he frankly did.
 
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