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- 6 Lip 2020
I must be a boomer now, I can't keep up with the amount of new genders being released. It's like the fucking marvel movies at this point, each one has 5 sequels.
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- Dołączono
- 17 Kwi 2018
It's because (to no one surprise) she's autistic, this is why she has a very hyper-feminine body language, when you struggle to understand how women behave but then you suddenly feel like a "xenogender trans demi-boy" shit, it's kinda hard to switch to a more manly behavior.
edit: You should watch her video titled "do i think the same as other gay men?" and see her REEEing to gay men who prefer masculine men.
Father Brown
kiwifarms.net
- Dołączono
- 29 Maj 2020
I think you misunderstand the point of something being socially constructed. It isn't so much a comment on the nature of the thing but rather on how it is framed and interpreted; it's a question of mental processes, inter-subjectivity and language as opposed to the underlying objective facts.
The key feature of your examples is not social constructedness but rather historical contingency and present arbitrarity. In general, social constructs are not arbitrary but rather positively useful in allowing us to understand an otherwise incomprehensibly complex reality.
The fundamental particles that together form what we call Jimmy's chromosomes are plenty real but our shared interpretation of them as being 'male' and of Jimmy being a 'man' arises through the social construction of them as such. Sex being socially constructed is why Jimmy can't meaningfully say "I think I am a woman [he actually doesn't but w/e] and therefore I am one". It's also why breathlessly gibbering about "muh intersex folx" won't make sex any less binary in practice.
In fact whether something is socially constructed is almost always irrelevant and the first question you should always ask when someone says X is socially constructed is "So?" since it forces them to lay out what they actually think. Now, in my experience TRA-types most often haven't thought anything at all but rather just heard the phrase and decided that this was a Correct Answer which legitimated whatever it is that they want to believe.
Garbage.Theory
kiwifarms.net
- Dołączono
- 24 Lis 2020
I like the term “microlabels” because it reminded me of what bothers me about this sort of thinking.
Taxonomy (no really, bear with me)
There’s two ways to approach taxonomy when you’re doing biology.
The “essentialism” way which is “a place for everything and everything in its place.” Have a species with some slight morphological variation? MAKE A NEW CATEGORY. Oh this bird sings a bit differently? OMG NEW SPECIES. I kid, but it’s actually the way humans tend to think. We loves a good pattern and we loves categorizing to find it.
the second way is the “population” way which is annoyingly laissez faire because it just admits “fuck it, species have variation, let’s not go nuts here”. Scientists try for this sort of thinking because suprise suprise nature doesn’t give a crap about your boundaries.
translated into SJW speak? You’ve got your “essentialism”, aka microlabels, and your “population”, aka things are a spectrum. Trouble is they’re trying to have the cake and eat it to. To accept a spectrum of anything (gender, sexuality, neurotypicality, whatevs) you have to accept that the categories you use are diagnostic only, and will never really capture any one individual. Best to define the main boundaries and just roll with it if you’re in the middle somewhere. But some folks want a million labels on things and that way lies madness, nature doesn’t want to fit into those so there will be ever increasing fracturing until no one is like anyone else.
So yeah. Weirdly enough I’m arguing for the spectrum model here. Because once people aren’t forced to think “I have to be this or that” they can just relax and be themselves. Maybe sometimes that’s trans but I bet a lot of times it’s not gonna be.
Taxonomy (no really, bear with me)
There’s two ways to approach taxonomy when you’re doing biology.
The “essentialism” way which is “a place for everything and everything in its place.” Have a species with some slight morphological variation? MAKE A NEW CATEGORY. Oh this bird sings a bit differently? OMG NEW SPECIES. I kid, but it’s actually the way humans tend to think. We loves a good pattern and we loves categorizing to find it.
the second way is the “population” way which is annoyingly laissez faire because it just admits “fuck it, species have variation, let’s not go nuts here”. Scientists try for this sort of thinking because suprise suprise nature doesn’t give a crap about your boundaries.
translated into SJW speak? You’ve got your “essentialism”, aka microlabels, and your “population”, aka things are a spectrum. Trouble is they’re trying to have the cake and eat it to. To accept a spectrum of anything (gender, sexuality, neurotypicality, whatevs) you have to accept that the categories you use are diagnostic only, and will never really capture any one individual. Best to define the main boundaries and just roll with it if you’re in the middle somewhere. But some folks want a million labels on things and that way lies madness, nature doesn’t want to fit into those so there will be ever increasing fracturing until no one is like anyone else.
So yeah. Weirdly enough I’m arguing for the spectrum model here. Because once people aren’t forced to think “I have to be this or that” they can just relax and be themselves. Maybe sometimes that’s trans but I bet a lot of times it’s not gonna be.
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- 26 Maj 2020
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- Dołączono
- 13 Wrz 2020
FtM Jessica "Riley" Behrens has mini-stroke from covid, goes viral. Surely her hormone cocktail played no role.
https://twitter.com/RileyBehrens/status/1333230792206553089
Arrested in October:
https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1317993996703002624
Suing Maricopa jail for discrimination following a July arrest (for throwing rocks at cops) because they kept her in a women's holding cell.
"I would have rather been kept in isolation than with anybody else," Behrens said. "It was the most shameful, frustrating, hurtful and humiliating experience I've had since coming out."
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ty-discrimination-mcso-jail-staff/3324206001/
Manlet:
https://twitter.com/RileyBehrens/status/1333230792206553089
Arrested in October:
https://twitter.com/mrandyngo/status/1317993996703002624
Suing Maricopa jail for discrimination following a July arrest (for throwing rocks at cops) because they kept her in a women's holding cell.
"I would have rather been kept in isolation than with anybody else," Behrens said. "It was the most shameful, frustrating, hurtful and humiliating experience I've had since coming out."
https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ty-discrimination-mcso-jail-staff/3324206001/
Manlet:
- Dołączono
- 4 Gru 2018
Oh boo hoo hoo first world Ivy Leaguer has to be housed with women at the county lock up. That’s what she finds humiliating— not being caught throwing rocks at cops.
Guess what sweetheart— you’re in jail. You don’t get to choose. Be thankful the COs has enough sense not to toss you in with the men; though fuck knows at this point some of these militant and insane FTMs could use a good reality dose.
- Dołączono
- 23 Lut 2019
OUCH MY BALLS AAAAAAAA
- Dołączono
- 31 Sty 2015
He made a video about his problems after srs and heavily implied that he regrets it.
- Dołączono
- 23 Lut 2019
The most masculine person in the entire fucking room is ironically the person who was supposed to be a woman. Heh
grandpasatan
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- 26 Sie 2016
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- 28 Sie 2019
Noticed this girl in the thumbnail:
She and her friends' body language throughout the video did not disappoint:
There's that "vessel" talk again. Tell again how this isn't a cult?
- Dołączono
- 6 Lip 2020
Youtube: we have to ban Belle Delphine!
Also Youtube: let's let trannies penetrate themselves on camera and not be age restricted!
- Dołączono
- 5 Sie 2020
Every time I see a tweet that tries to troonsplain how it's "basic biology," and "sex is a spectrum with countless traits and variations," I fail to understand why I should care. Normal people don't know enough about biology to definitively shut down troon ideology, but still recognize that chopping your dick off and demanding everyone call you a lady is not normal. And if you told the average person that they aren't really the sex they were assigned at birth because they have elevated hormones or whatever, they wouldn't take you seriously and would still think you're a freak.
- Dołączono
- 10 Paź 2017
I was reading something about an unrelated cow today and something a psychiatrist said really struck me as applying to troons.
To me that is what separates out folks I think that are genuinely transgender and troons. I have a good friend who is trans. Other than him telling us "hey, I'm trans" the subject rarely comes up. To look at his social media, there are mentions of his job, cats, and hobbies and zero about his gender. I genuinely believe he is legitimately trans. (Plus he transitioned in 2002, way before transtrenders.)
That seems to describe 99% of the troons I have encountered. Being trans is their whole identity. Troon gives them a ready made personality and identity so they don't have to figure out who they are.
To me that is what separates out folks I think that are genuinely transgender and troons. I have a good friend who is trans. Other than him telling us "hey, I'm trans" the subject rarely comes up. To look at his social media, there are mentions of his job, cats, and hobbies and zero about his gender. I genuinely believe he is legitimately trans. (Plus he transitioned in 2002, way before transtrenders.)
Rate me MATI, but it drives me nuts when they use the "gotcha" claims like "but some women were born without a uterus", "but some women are taller than 6ft", "but some women don't get their period anymore"... that may be true, but does not negate the fact you have a dick and balls. Like, are they trying to insinuate that THEY were a woman who wasn't born with a uterus? It's never been about one specific feature (height, menstruation, childbirth, boob size, voice, etc.) that makes someone female. It's the whole package and while some women may be missing one/two features, troons are missing the whole damn thing.
Some Africans are born with albinism... that doesn't make me black.
- Dołączono
- 22 Lip 2020
I believe like there's no "genuine" trans, in the sense that there's "male soul" or "female soul" inside someone and that the body became mismatched from it, and this is apparent if you live in a country where the concept of gender transition is framed completely in a different way and start to compare it with western/developed nations definitions and see the holes in idea. We may get trannies that seem sane and not use trans identity as a copout. We may get people who find it easier for them to live as opposite gender but the concept of being trans can only exist within a culture. Being trans is a philosophical and bureaucratic identity that you can not even subscribe to it even if you look like one. In theory, you can get all HRT and surgery and dress in the way that is seen of different gender and say you're still your sex because you don't identify as opposite gender.
If you define being trans on the basis of gender dysphoria. In my personal opinion, it is no different from other body issues like anorexia or wanting to cut your limbs off. But trans became an identity because gender is steeped deeper in human psych. It is a shorthand for sex, and so is an important part of human society because it signals for reproduction possibility in the way that other body issues doesn't. It is easy to confuses these signals when a large part of it is how you dress and behave - a few pages back I mentioned that crosdressing women in the past, passed as men in the way that they won't as easily in modern times because people didn't know how to discern one based on cultural gender cues.
But as more people transitioned, the concept is going to breakdown soon as it becomes easier to clock trannies due to exposure or people en masse realise there are more than superficial characteristic that make someone male or female. Not to mention the people who would go in for it for the sake of body modifications (some pages back talks about men who wants dick chopped off but still identify as men) but without the "identity" or detransitioners. Some superficial changes from hormones may not fool people anymore. So as the concept of gender change, the concept of being trans would also change
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- Dołączono
- 10 Lut 2020
What do you mean, "they didn't know?" Surely whatever culture it was, whether it's ancient China with Mulan or medieval France with Joan of Arc, could recognize a female of their culture from a male of their culture the same way we recognize males and females in our modern day cultures. Their culture might be different, but surely someone raised up to be a woman in medieval France would behave like a medieval French woman, even if she's dressed as a male soldier. Or do you mean that those medieval French soldiers didn't have as much experience with identifying crossdressing women as modern-day people would, because we have more access to materials that help us identify crossdressing women, like forums where people talk about it for 1700 pages?
- Dołączono
- 31 Gru 2018
on the ethics of "outting" a trans person:
rip to the dead name, f:
"now, I'm pansexual" thanks HRT:
also, how to get on the no-fuck-list:
oh, a furry too because of course:
rip to the dead name, f:
"now, I'm pansexual" thanks HRT:
also, how to get on the no-fuck-list:
oh, a furry too because of course:
- Dołączono
- 22 Lip 2020
I meant the latter, that medieval soldiers didn't have much experiences identifying crosdressing women as modern day people would. And if you transported that female soldier into the modern day time, people may readily see her as female. Remember that James Barry/Margaret Ann posed as a male doctor until her death and while people did noticed her high voice, it didn't click in most of her colleagues that she was actually a women. Gender roles in Victorian era was strict to that point.
Women on roids seem to easily pass as men in the current time to most people because they gained some characteristics most people use to recognise as male. But that heuristic is culture dependent and we see from many farmers here that after being exposed to TIFs, after a while they become pretty easy to clock and the illusion of passing they had in the past will fades away. Especially now how troons reign the media, that eventually people will get used to them enough to know what to look for.
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