🐮 Lolcow Melinda Leigh Scott & Marshall Castersen - Sue-happy couple. Flat earth conspiracists. Pretending to be Jewish. Believe Kiwi Farms is protected by the Masonic Order. 0-6 on lawsuits. Marshall is dead.

[LoverofPi]

WRONG. A victim owes nothing, absolutely nothing to the Sinner.

If person A is walking down the street and person B throws a rock at their head, does person A owe something to person B? Absolutely not!

If person A is injured in a car accident by person B does person A owe something to person? No, even a secular court would look at them like they are crazy for implying that. Person B owes person A damages.

Your thinking is corrupt, and against Hebraic ethics, to say the least

Who said anything about owe? That's not what Jeezy Creezy was on about. He's talking about doing good by other people regardless of how they treat you. Should they strike you, turn them the other cheek. Should they steal your coat, offer them your shirt as well. Demonstrate that you are the better person through deeds.
You're really not familiar with what Iesus Christos/ Yeshua bin Joseph/ Yeshy the Meshy was all about, Mel.

No, it's simply what one person owes to the other for sinning against them

But in your purported system, paying the debt absolves the sin, so forgiving the debt should do the same.

Forgive them what? Their sin debt according to Numbers 5:5-8.

No, just their sins. Jesus wasn't big into the whole renumeration for sin concept.

You're trying to make The Messiah into a false prophet. There is not one place in The Torah where anyone can forgive another human's sin.

And yet, Yeshua Christos McSonofMan said you should do it. He said you should treat others as you should wish to be treated. He said that forgiving someone their sin against you would make YHWH forgive your own. By Yeshua's own words, your refusal to forgive others their sins marks you as not among those that will be bless by El.

All sacrifices for sin were brought through the Temple door and laid on an altar, to make atonement for sin before Elohim. Not a single person had the power to forgive another's sin - not Moses, not priests, not prophets. No one but Elohim.

But El through the messiah commanded his followers to forgive one another, forgive apostates, enemies, heathens, everyone. El asks for a symbolic sacrifice of your grudges, for you to forgive others of their sins and let go of your grievances as atonement for your own sins.


I see BTW you've started using "the elohim" and "Christian Elohim" like it's a title. Again, Elohim is the name for a specific group of deities, later condensed into a singular deity, often also called YHWH or referred to as "God" by many of his followers. It is not a generic title or classification like god or christ is. It is a specific name, and you make yourself look very silly every time you use it incorrectly.

 

[Sir Dank-a-Lot]

in your typical narcissistic fashion,

The irony is strong with this one.

Moron.

 

[redcent]

So here's a story: a guy died and went to heaven. He met God, and God gave him a red hot burning steel ball. God said he can use this steel ball to take revenge on whoever wronged him in life by hitting them with it, but it was up to the guy to find his enemies, and once he was done he could go to heaven

So the guy takes the ball and it burns his hand, it hurts like hell, and the skin comes off, his muscles are burning. But the guy has a death grip and even with the pain he holds onto the hot steel ball. He sets off, wandering the Earth for years and years, all the time with the red hot steel ball causing him so much pain. He never makes it to heaven

Another guy dies and goes to heaven, God gives him the same instruction with the same red hot steel ball. But this guy drops the ball at once, saying he is moving on. God let's him into heaven that very moment

I pulled this story out of my ass

Alternatively you can also read Moby Dick

 

[SS Reichsmarshall]

Maybe. Might make Marshall too jealous?

Dont know, dont care. You're not my type.

 

[White Baby]

You're trying to make The Messiah into a false prophet. There is not one place in The Torah where anyone can forgive another human's sin.

Matthew 6, quoting Yeshua, literally states that you (the general, believing "you") have an obligation to forgive those who sin against you. The concept of "sin debt" does not exist.

Matthew 6 mentions nothing about the timeframe as such, or if the forgiveness of the one wronged against supersedes the ultimate forgiveness of Yeshua, and I'm pretty sure even a child would understand the difference between me forgiving my parent for their anger issues and Yeshua forgiving my parent for their anger issues. One improves a relationship between parent and child, the other is an assurance of relationship between Yeshua and His creation. The forgiveness of the average layman does not supersede the forgiveness of Yeshua.

It is funny to me, in a simultaneously frustrating way, that you insist on removing Paul's letters from your lexicon when Paul condemns most thoroughly every single flaw that you have. It makes me wonder if that's your primary goal in disavowing Paul's legitimacy.

LUKE 17:4
KJ21
And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, ‘I repent,’ thou shalt forgive him.”

MARK 11:25
KJ21
And when ye stand praying, forgive if ye have aught against any, that your Father also who is in Heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

 

[Deadpool]

It is funny to me, in a simultaneously frustrating way, that you insist on removing Paul's letters from your lexicon when Paul condemns most thoroughly every single flaw that you have. It makes me wonder if that's your primary goal in disavowing Paul's legitimacy

Oh I guarantee that's why she disavows him. She cherry picks parts for her pagan religion to justify her being an utter (cum) dumpster fire of a human being, and to make herself feel special and superior. Her insecurities are glaringly obvious, and her narcassim demands she do something to mask them from herself and everyone else. She manages to fool her self, but fails to convince anyone else.

Even @Marshall Castersen a literal manlet cuck doesn't buy it enough to respect her. He can't even be assed to sign a fucking piece of paper when she asks.

 

[TamarYaelBatYah]

We're not saying you can forgive sin. You can forgive someone for the way their sin negatively affected you though. It's like if someone asks me for an aspirin because of a headache from a brain tumor, and I give it to them, and it helps with the pain. I'm not curing the tumor I'm fixing the symptom.

This concept doesn't exist in The Torah

He's talking about doing good by other people regardless of how they treat you

That's not a concept that exists in The Torah. The Torah does NOT reward bad behavior, period.

You're trying to make Yahushua into a false Messiah

But El through the messiah commanded his followers to forgive one another, forgive apostates, enemies, heathens, everyone

He never taught that. That's your imagination again, not factual

The concept of "sin debt" does not exist.

Incorrect, it's Numbers 5:5-8

It is funny to me, in a simultaneously frustrating way, that you insist on removing Paul's letters from your lexicon when Paul condemns most thoroughly every single flaw that you have. It makes me wonder if that's your primary goal in disavowing Paul's legitimacy.

I've written an entire paper on why Paul is false. Has nothing to do with me personality.

Even those in Rabbinical Judaism can point out why Paul is false

Say, this guy for example...


(Rabbi) Tovia Singer

Even @Marshall Castersen a literal manlet cuck doesn't buy it enough to respect her. He can't even be assed to sign a fucking piece of paper when she asks.

Actually Marshall had doubts about Paul before we met. After he read my paper, he came over to the other side fully and rejected Paul's lies

 

[A Cardboard Box]

This concept doesn't exist in The Torah



That's not a concept that exists in The Torah. The Torah does NOT reward bad behavior, period.

You're trying to make Yahushua into a false Messiah





He never taught that. That's your imagination again, not factual





Incorrect, it's Numbers 5:5-8





I've written an entire paper on why Paul is false. Has nothing to do with me personality.

Even those in Rabbinical Judaism can point out why Paul is false

Say, this guy for example...


(Rabbi) Tovia Singer

Jesus Christ LITERALLY disagrees with you according to the Gospel. Either you believe in the Messiah or not.

 

[Spergichu]

He never taught that. That's your imagination again, not factual

Yes he did you fucking brainlet. @fnaarf literally posted SOME of the passages that he explicitly says to do this, which you've conveniently ignored in your response.

 

[Toasty]

This concept doesn't exist in The Torah



That's not a concept that exists in The Torah. The Torah does NOT reward bad behavior, period.

You're trying to make Yahushua into a false Messiah





He never taught that. That's your imagination again, not factual





Incorrect, it's Numbers 5:5-8





I've written an entire paper on why Paul is false. Has nothing to do with me personality.

Even those in Rabbinical Judaism can point out why Paul is false

Say, this guy for example...


(Rabbi) Tovia Singer

You are a liar who regularly promotes made up statements as facts, no one takes your bullshit into account.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

Getting back to the change in your marital status...

How hard did you have to beg Marshall to come back? Did Marshall insist on this new Master/Wife thing as a condition for coming back? Did Marshall ever sign your birth registration paperwork?

 

[LoverofPi]

This concept doesn't exist in The Torah



That's not a concept that exists in The Torah. The Torah does NOT reward bad behavior, period.

You're trying to make Yahushua into a false Messiah

It absolutely exists in the Torah/Bible. Heck, I'm pretty much just quoting Yeshua's teachings. Sounds like you're the one making him to be a false Messiah, Mel.

He never taught that. That's your imagination again, not factual

I actually quoted the simple text to you where he does.

Incorrect, it's Numbers 5:5-8

It's kind of funny how you support the idea of "Sin debt" based on a single line about making amends for having done wrong, but ignore basically entire books to assert that Jesus doesn't teach forgiveness.

I've written an entire paper on why Paul is false. Has nothing to do with me personality.

Even those in Rabbinical Judaism can point out why Paul is false

Say, this guy for example...


(Rabbi) Tovia Singer

An odd philosophical thought- is it more important that Jesus be real, be the messiah, or that his teachings cause us to be better people. For you, it would seem the messiah part is all that matters, and his teachings about how to treat other people are worthless.

 

[Karl der Grosse]

We've read your papers, Melinda. The writing quality is pedestrian, your conclusions are forced, and your citations are ridiculous. No scholar has ever cited one of your papers, and no scholar ever will. It's slightly better writing than your pay-to-publish 84 page booklet about sending your children outside to play, but it's by no means good writing.

Reading Melinda's writing is really starting to make me wonder about good ol' George Mason U. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they had enough of Melinda's shit and gave her a social pass degree, like CWC or Russel Greer got, just to get rid of her.

 

[Deadpool]

This concept doesn't exist in The Torah

So fucking what? The concept of cars, computers or cellphones don't exist in the Torah either and you happily use all 3. This is more of you cherry picking to justify your fucking awful personality, and behavior.

Actually Marshall had doubts about Paul before we met. After he read my paper, he came over to the other side fully and rejected Paul's lies

He doesn't know the Earth is round either. I wouldn't laud him for any intellectual decisions he makes. He's the only person I know dumber than you.

 

[Kosher Salt]

Fivehead doesn't even begin to adequately describe that picture... I'm sure you all know the one I'm referring to.

 

[White Baby]

This concept doesn't exist in The Torah



That's not a concept that exists in The Torah. The Torah does NOT reward bad behavior, period.

You're trying to make Yahushua into a false Messiah





He never taught that. That's your imagination again, not factual





Incorrect, it's Numbers 5:5-8





I've written an entire paper on why Paul is false. Has nothing to do with me personality.

Even those in Rabbinical Judaism can point out why Paul is false

Say, this guy for example...


(Rabbi) Tovia Singer

Respond to my fucking torah passages you fake Jew

 

[TamarYaelBatYah]

So fucking what? The concept of cars, computers or cellphones

Actually they do. It falls under property rights

We've read your papers, Melinda. The writing quality is pedestrian, your conclusions are forced, and your citations are ridiculous. No scholar has ever cited one of your papers, and no scholar ever will. It's slightly better writing than your pay-to-publish 84 page booklet about sending your children outside to play, but it's by no means good writing.

Reading Melinda's writing is really starting to make me wonder about good ol' George Mason U. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that they had enough of Melinda's shit and gave her a social pass degree, like CWC or Russel Greer got, just to get rid of her.

I've been cited by other scholars, and NO, I'm not telling you who, I'm not setting them up to be victimized by you.

You can talk shit about my writings all you want, you can produce no evidence against them


At least jewsforjudaism.org presents hard questions with facts. You're just clucking roosters and hens

Respond to my fucking torah passages you fake Jew

50% Ashkenazi to be exact

Getting back to the change in your marital status...

How hard did you have to beg Marshall to come back? Did Marshall insist on this new Master/Wife thing as a condition for coming back? Did Marshall ever sign your birth registration paperwork?

Marshall has never once tried to leave me. Even if I would be in a position to have to beg someone to return, I wouldn't be too proud to do it.

I happen to like Hispanic music. It is full of passion and lovers pleading for each other. It takes humility to tell someone you need them ("te necesito"), that your heart beats for them ("latiendo por to", that your heart aches for them ("te duele el corazon para ti"). All sorts of expressions that English love songs lack.
Proud Anglos think that being a desperate lover is a weakness, eh?

By covenant with him changed because of some personality conflicts we have. It's just a better fit.

Jesus Christ LITERALLY disagrees with you according to the Gospel. Either you believe in the Messiah or not.

It absolutely exists in the Torah/Bible. Heck, I'm pretty much just quoting Yeshua's teachings. Sounds like you're the one making him to be a false Messiah, Mel.



I actually quoted the simple text to you where he does.



It's kind of funny how you support the idea of "Sin debt" based on a single line about making amends for having done wrong, but ignore basically entire books to assert that Jesus doesn't teach forgiveness.




An odd philosophical thought- is it more important that Jesus be real, be the messiah, or that his teachings cause us to be better people. For you, it would seem the messiah part is all that matters, and his teachings about how to treat other people are worthless.

You try to Christianize The Messiah by inventing theology and then trying to get his words to fit

Instead, you should start at the beginning, which is The Torah, and understanding The JEWISH Messiah in context of The Torah

You do realize that The Messiah was a Torah observant Jewish man, right?

"Those who claim to be in him must walk as he walked" (1 John 2:6)

 

[Deadpool]

Actually they do. It falls under property rights

No that's talking about general property. It doesn't mention modern technology specifically. Nice try deflecting though.

I've been cited by other scholars, and NO, I'm not telling you who, I'm not setting them up to be victimized by you.

My guess is they're just people stupid enough to pay for a subscription to the bullshit academic site you post on. None of you are real scholars you're just morons paying to LARP as one.

 

[Burmese Rice Farmer]

Marshall has never once tried to leave me. Even if I would be in a position to have to beg someone to return, I wouldn't be too proud to do it.

I happen to like Hispanic music. It is full of passion and lovers pleading for each other. It takes humility to tell someone you need them ("te necesito"), that your heart beats for them ("latiendo por to", that your heart aches for them ("te duele el corazon para ti"). All sorts of expressions that English love songs lack.
Proud Anglos think that being a desperate lover is a weakness, eh?

By covenant with him changed because of some personality conflicts we have. It's just a better fit.

Mexican music ain't about love most of the time and I can tell you this from experience, it's mostly about getting drunk as shit, troubled relationships, narcos, riding out back on your ranch, guns, all that beaner redneck shit.
Well, at least real Mexican music is and not the Americanized trash you presumably listen to.

 

[Toasty]

I've been cited by other scholars, and NO, I'm not telling you who, I'm not setting them up to be victimized by you.

Oh, look, one of her " citations exist but it's a secret!" Cop outs. So no, no they don't.

Marshall has never once tried to leave me. Even if I would be in a position to have to beg someone to return, I wouldn't be too proud to do it.

Nah, he just leaves home, claims not to be your husband anymore, and won't communicate with you. Got it.