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Agreement is finally in Number 10's grasp.

The text that's taken months of officials' blood, sweat and tears has been agreed, at least at a technical level.

Now a paper's being drafted to present to the Cabinet tomorrow ready for the government's hoped-for next step - political approval from Theresa May's team, even though many of them have deep reservations.

Remember in the last 24 hours some of them have been warning privately that what's on the table is just not acceptable, and will never get through Parliament. Some even believe the prime minister ought to walk away.

But the government machine is now cranking into action. With a text ready, their long-planned rollout can begin.
The BBC's chief political correspondent Vicki Young said some ministers had "deep concerns" about the shape of the likely agreement, which critics say could leave the UK trapped in a customs agreement with the EU.

She said they would have to decide whether they could support it, and if not, whether to resign from cabinet.

Leading Brexiteers have already condemned the draft agreement, Boris Johnson saying it would see the UK remain in the customs union and "large parts" of the single market.

He told the BBC it was "utterly unacceptable to anyone who believes in democracy". "Am I going to vote against it. The answer is yes," he added.

And Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said "given the shambolic nature of the negotiations, this is unlikely to be the good deal for the country".

'Failure to deliver'
Both the UK and EU want to schedule a special summit of European leaders at the end of November to sign off the reportedly 500 page withdrawal deal and the much shorter outline declaration of their future relationship.

Brussels has insisted it would only agree to put the wheels in motion for the summit if agreement can be reached on the issue of the Irish border.

Ambassadors from the remaining 27 EU states will meet in Brussels on Wednesday.

If a deal is agreed with the EU, Mrs May then needs to persuade her party - and the rest of Parliament - to support it in a key Commons vote.

Conservative Brexiteer Jacob Rees-Mogg said if details of the text reported by Irish broadcaster RTE were true, the UK would become a "vassal state" with Northern Ireland "being ruled from Dublin".

Such an agreement "failed to deliver on Brexit" and the cabinet should reject it, he told the BBC.

"I think what we know of this deal is deeply unsatisfactory," he said. "There seems to be growing opposition to these very poor proposals."

Meanwhile, following pressure from all sides of the Commons, ministers have agreed to provide MPs with a legal assessment of the implications for the UK of the Irish backstop and other controversial aspects of any deal.

Cabinet Office minister David Lidington said Attorney General Geoffrey Cox would make a statement to MPs and take questions ahead of the final vote on any Brexit deal.

MPs, he said, would get to see "a full reasoned position statement laying out the government's both political and also legal position on the proposed withdrawal agreement".

The Democratic Unionists' Westminster leader Nigel Dodds said he was pleased Parliament had "asserted its will" as it was imperative that all parties to the deal were clear in what way and for how long it would "legally bind" the UK.

Chequers minus it is. Whatever happened to no deal being better than a bad deal.

We should have been far more aggressive in negotiations with Brussels. They all but stated immediately after the referendum that they were going to bumrape us for having the temerity to leave, so we should have told them that unless and until they got serious, we'd basically go full on tax haven mode and steal all their big companies - and funnel money and support to Eurosceptics in Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland, and Hungary.

 

[Thomas Talus]

From Popbitch:



i can’t fap to this

Funny, I seem to recall a much more prominent lockdown shirker...

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Funny, I seem to recall a much more prominent lockdown shirker...

Which one?

Professor Neil Fergusson who's never predicted anything right in his entire fucking career?

Welsh Health Minister, Vaughan Gething who went for a picnic on a bench when the rules said you couldn't at the time?

Catherin Calderwood and her regular jaunts to her holiday home with her whole household?

Jeremy Corbyn who was pictured repeatedly with others at a table, or with his family or with other people during this lockdown?

Or Alistair Campbell, who the day after he's screechingly reported he'd dobbed Dom in to the Met was pictured arm clasped around a "fan" which he proudly posted on twitter before realising it and yanking it and is now drunkenly slurring while wearing stolen valour?

 

[Fareal]

Funny, I seem to recall a much more prominent lockdown shirker...

Bro, that is what you took from the horrifying image of sweaty, bug eyed sped Cummings jackhammering away atop the quivering, undulating flesh mass that is Allsopp?

This isn’t about politics, this is a crime against God and nature

 

[Return of the Freaker]

That’s what gets me about the media. They hate the dude’s gut and there are plently of legit ways to skewer him and they just don’t.

Because in their minds they'll step up with the ultimate gotcha they came up with while watching Ahmed rail their wife and totally own the fascists with a stunning mike drop moment like their favorite shitty YA hero

D E S P I T E B R E X I T

Over here in burgerland I know libtards who still think Brexit was somehow motivated by racism and that Britain is doomed to lose the NHS and sink into the sea without their precious unaccountable continental bureaucracy. The past 5 years have been an incredible insight into just how many people lack the capacity for independant critical thought

 

[Thomas Talus]

Bro, that is what you took from the horrifying image of sweaty, bug eyed sped Cummings jackhammering away atop the quivering, undulating flesh mass that is Allsopp?

This isn’t about politics, this is a crime against God and nature

Being a Yank, I have the distinct privilege and honour of having no idea what most British nomenklatura look like.

Fergusson was who I was referring to, the only other name on that list I know is Corbyn and I hadn't head about him being out and about.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

Laura Kusenberg of the BBC decided to whine on twitter about her wasting her question on Cummings as neither the Chief Medical Officer, nor Chief Scientist wanted to comment on political matters. The media's no longer being given follow up questions (as they were usually just the first question repeated ad infinitum) nice mix of people telling her to get stuffed. Very few leaping to her defence.

 

[Slimy Time]

Laura Kusenberg of the BBC decided to whine on twitter about her wasting her question on Cummings as neither the Chief Medical Officer, nor Chief Scientist wanted to comment on political matters. The media's no longer being given follow up questions (as they were usually just the first question repeated ad infinitum) nice mix of people telling her to get stuffed. Very few leaping to her defence.

It's almost as if this narrative is dead and no one wants to continue it, or there is a time, place and person for asking these sorts of questions. The CMO and CS during a Coronavirus briefing is certainly not it. That article from Spiked got it right about the state of the media, there are literal flesh robots. Not an ounce of timing or reactive thought, just hammer the same question at the wrong time and then moan when you don't get an answer and they don't want to give you another chance.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

It's almost as if this narrative is dead and no one wants to continue it, or there is a time, place and person for asking these sorts of questions. The CMO and CS during a Coronavirus briefing is certainly not it. You got it right with that article about the state of the media, there are literal flesh robots. Not an ounce of timing or reactive thought, just hammer the same question at the wrong time and then moan when you don't get an answer and they don't want to give you another chance.

It got funnier, as these tweets were all spat out rapid fire by Kusenberg, Robbinson and other Campaigners with a press pass meeja bods only to be slapped down by Whitty and Sir Patrick saying fuck off to being asked political bollocks because it's in their code of conduct.

They got far too used to complete piles of scum pretending to be humans like Olly Robbins, who was a civil servant and regularly pissed all over the code of conduct while in his civil service role because May was a pathetic and weak prime minister.

They both sound irritated as fuck in the vid:

 

[Slimy Time]

It got funnier, as these tweets were all spat out rapid fire by Kusenberg, Robbinson and other Campaigners with a press pass meeja bods only to be slapped down by Whitty and Sir Patrick saying fuck off to being asked political bollocks because it's in their code of conduct.

They got far too used to complete piles of scum pretending to be humans like Olly Robbins, who was a civil servant and regularly pissed all over the code of conduct while in his civil service role because May was a pathetic and weak prime minister.

They both sound irritated as fuck in the vid:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QqqR83AXiXk

It's almost as if it was the wrong time or place to ask those sorts of questions. I'm sure if they have no problem ambushing Cummings outside his house, then they can wait outside No.10 or wherever Boris is and ask him questions there. If they did what the Spiked article said, asked and responded on their feet with good questions, then it wouldn't have turned out like this. No one wants to see a journalist/campaigner scream about moralising nonsense, spouting off pre-prepared lines without any on the feet thinking.

It's like that recent press conference with Trump's new blonde press sec. One of the journos ask a pre-prepared "gotcha" question, she's done her work and answers it well, and the dumb fuck stares at her and audibly says "You were prepared for that?". No shit, that's her job, question is why are you not prepared with a follow up question or another area to tackle, instead of sitting there looking like the gormless idiot you are?

 

[soy_king]

It's like that recent press conference with Trump's new blonde press sec. One of the journos ask a pre-prepared "gotcha" question, she's done her work and answers it well, and the dumb fuck stares at her and audibly says "You were prepared for that?". No shit, that's her job, question is why are you not prepared with a follow up question or another area to tackle, instead of sitting there looking like the gormless idiot you are?

Got a link for that?

 

[Slimy Time]

Got a link for that?

 

[soy_king]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=z-gcQ1xx3Pg

It's about time that the media starts to get the same responses and level of respect that they have been giving to others for decades.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

It's almost as if it was the wrong time or place to ask those sorts of questions. I'm sure if they have no problem ambushing Cummings outside his house, then they can wait outside No.10 or wherever Boris is and ask him questions there. If they did what the Spiked article said, asked and responded on their feet with good questions, then it wouldn't have turned out like this. No one wants to see a journalist/campaigner scream about moralising nonsense, spouting off pre-prepared lines without any on the feet thinking.

It's like that recent press conference with Trump's new blonde press sec. One of the journos ask a pre-prepared "gotcha" question, she's done her work and answers it well, and the dumb fuck stares at her and audibly says "You were prepared for that?". No shit, that's her job, question is why are you not prepared with a follow up question or another area to tackle, instead of sitting there looking like the gormless idiot you are?

It's really bizarre, why and how did this happen? What pushed the media to become so pointlessly, needlessly hollow? Was it social media? They all desperate to push to have the instant gotcha moment to run for days on end? Do they want to beat Twitter somehow? Stay relevant to people who don't consume most of their media or have the brain of a eighteen month old with no sense of object permenance?

It just feels genuinely weird at this point to see how needless the media's making itself at the moment, its at the point the governments reorganised the briefings now so it's the govt talking first, then public questions, then the media on the basis most people are probably switching off after the useful and relevant questions have been asked. I'd find it fascinating to see the estimated viewing figures every time the MSM gets its chance to read out its prepared statements posing as questions.

It's also exposing how much spin editorial the media puts on simple fact reporting, people can see for themselves what's said at the briefings.

At least two news outlets are saying today that BoJo's "censoring" his CSO and CMO by their own refusal to join in trying to beat up Dom.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

I must say I like all the screaming about Cumminings of 'who would do such a thing?' as though the first thing people do when someone is worried and you think it is ok is not try to prove to them that things are ok.

A common defenc for people in accidents is ‘I thought it was ok, I was not having trouble

People don't tend to get checked up until they struggle to do their day to day routine regularly.

 

[Slimy Time]

It's really bizarre, why and how did this happen? What pushed the media to become so pointlessly, needlessly hollow? Was it social media? They all desperate to push to have the instant gotcha moment to run for days on end? Do they want to beat Twitter somehow? Stay relevant to people who don't consume most of their media or have the brain of a eighteen month old with no sense of object permenance?

It just feels genuinely weird at this point to see how needless the media's making itself at the moment, its at the point the governments reorganised the briefings now so it's the govt talking first, then public questions, then the media on the basis most people are probably switching off after the useful and relevant questions have been asked. I'd find it fascinating to see the estimated viewing figures every time the MSM gets its chance to read out its prepared statements posing as questions.

It's also exposing how much spin editorial the media puts on simple fact reporting, people can see for themselves what's said at the briefings.

At least two news outlets are saying today that BoJo's "censoring" his CSO and CMO by their own refusal to join in trying to beat up Dom.

I think "twittersation" and partisanship of public discourse has impacted reporting to a terrible degree. Getting soundbites that get a lot of likes and retweets and directing the mob seems to be more important than doing a half decent job at reporting. If you want to get a politician or official to look like a twat, best way of doing that is to give them enough rope to hang themselves. Instead they go for gotchas like this example or moral outrage like Cummings (SHOULD YOU RESIGN? DO YOU REGRET BREAKING LOCKDOWN?!!! etc).

Look at this US example. Do you take back what you said? What does this achieve other than trying to make her look bad? It's obvious to everyone that's what he's trying to do, and he got btfo because of it. If he asked something like "You said x on Fox News, that hasnt happened, has your position changed since then since entering your new role?" or something like that. Its a softer question, so if she goes with the full attack, she ends up looking like a bitch, as opposed to someone schooling an obvious asshole looking for a soundbite.

Look at Cummings - I thought my eyesight was bad so I went out for a drive as a reason why he left his house. Your eyesight was bad? Bad enough that you had to test it? And your idea of a test was to go driving? Do you always test your eyesight by going out for a drive? And it's possible you might be putting other people at risk by doing this? Fair to say that's reckless, isn't it? Same way it's reckless to go out when you and your family are sick etc.

Difference with this leading questioning is he makes himself look like a twat because he's possibly putting others at risk and might end up showing himself to be reckless or negligent. You don't get that at all with screeching at him to resign. It's why lawyers ask leading question in cross examination. He possibly looks like a twat making excuses or admitting to being thoughtless while the interviewer looks calm and professional. The media have lost this ability, going on outrage and reeeing to bang a point.

 

[Coccxys]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=z-gcQ1xx3Pg

That was glorious. Of course she was prepared for that dipshit, you walked right into it with your obvious question and all you could do was proclaim "you were prepared for that" when she nuked you from orbit.

On the wider topic I don't think Twitter (or any social media) is directly responsible for the low quality media we have, I think they're both symptoms of the same disease. Schools these days not only don't teach critical thinking skills they actively discourage questioning the narrative, that leaves people who don't know how to formulate a question that digs into the meat of what is being said. Both Twitter and modern journalists display this inability to apply basic critical thought to the world around them and what they "know" to be right.

 

[Judge Dredd]

I don't think Twitter (or any social media) is directly responsible for the low quality media we have, I think they're both symptoms of the same disease. Schools these days not only don't teach critical thinking skills they actively discourage questioning the narrative, that leaves people who don't know how to formulate a question that digs into the meat of what is being said.

I disagree. The news has been awful since 9-11 at least, if not longer. I knew the news was full of shit as a teenager when they were saying there was a terrorist around every corner and anyone who walked within 50 feet of a child was a pedo.

As for the schools, young people know the MSM is full of shit. It's the older boomer generation that think the big tech and MSM are some kind of authority on truth.

 

[Overly Serious]

On the wider topic I don't think Twitter (or any social media) is directly responsible for the low quality media we have, I think they're both symptoms of the same disease. Schools these days not only don't teach critical thinking skills they actively discourage questioning the narrative, that leaves people who don't know how to formulate a question that digs into the meat of what is being said. Both Twitter and modern journalists display this inability to apply basic critical thought to the world around them and what they "know" to be right.

Few things have a single cause. State schooling doesn't teach questioning authority well. But then the media perpetuate that state after school years. It's like handing on the baton and saying "you take it from here".

 

[April Ryan]

The moment the British media died was the death of Diana.

Instead of calmly documenting, or better yet stepping back and laughing at, the mind-boggling mass hysteria at the death of one over-privileged bimbo, the media completely fed into it, and shifted the entire concept of what news is.

Instead of a neutral description of events, potentially followed by a contextualizing of more complex or obscure concepts, most news is now bringing us the uninformed opinions of know-nothing nobody's, the BBC spending license-payer money on telling us what Jennifer from Margate thinks about the budget,

Social-media merely speed-up and simplified the process, meaning they could just scour twitter for idiot hot-takes rather than have to send out a camera crew onto a random high street to get them.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

The moment the British media died was the death of Diana.

Instead of calmly documenting, or better yet stepping back and laughing at, the mind-boggling mass hysteria at the death of one over-privileged bimbo, the media completely fed into it, and shifted the entire concept of what news is.

Instead of a neutral description of events, potentially followed by a contextualizing of more complex or obscure concepts, most news is now bringing us the uninformed opinions of know-nothing nobody's, the BBC spending license-payer money on telling us what Jennifer from Margate thinks about the budget,

Social-media merely speed-up and simplified the process, meaning they could just scour twitter for idiot hot-takes rather than have to send out a camera crew onto a random high street to get them.

American media fed into it pretty hard too. I was in elementary school then and I remember thinking it was sad, but I recall seeing stuff about Diana in our media like a year later and being like "why are they still talking about this?". People now complain about the US media caring too much about Will & Kate or Harry and the Deal or No Deal model, but I think they forget how our media obsessed over Diana.