Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

I'm still flabbergasted they made Vi Moradi a main character in the parks. She's just a nobody who appeared in two books, right? If they wanted a nobody, they should've picked Master Bayts instead.
I guess he's part of old Star Wars and Disney wants to nuke all that, though. :(
 
I'm still flabbergasted they made Vi Moradi a main character in the parks. She's just a nobody who appeared in two books, right? If they wanted a nobody, they should've picked Master Bayts instead.
I guess he's part of old Star Wars and Disney wants to nuke all that, though. :(

LOL she wasn't invented as a new character exclusive to the parks? News to me!
 
So if the leaks are true, then with palpatine being alive, palpatine having children, and the solo kid falling to the dark side, disney is really just the Vong short of including every part fans hated about the old EU into canon without any of the good parts
 
So if the leaks are true, then with palpatine being alive, palpatine having children, and the solo kid falling to the dark side, disney is really just the Vong short of including every part fans hated about the old EU into canon without any of the good parts
And at least Jacen had quite a bit of build up to falling, we have three shitty flashbacks of the same event for Kylo.

On a slightly related note, I'm still waiting for Black Series to put out a Jacen figure. Thanks for putting out Jaina and then doing no one else!
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Zorri Bliss. More like Zorin Blitz. What did JJ mean by this?
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Well Phasma was named after Phantasm, so maybe this is another horror reference?

I've never heard JJ talk about any experience with anime and manga though.
 
I wish I had seen this sooner.

LOL she wasn't invented as a new character exclusive to the parks? News to me!
There's a bunch of news about how lame Galaxy's Edge is. I did a breakdown of the park in May starting around page 500 of this thread if you're interested where I even talked about shit no one else online was covering.

@Kurosaki Ichigo also just posted some pics and info of his experience at the park in the Disney General and its still lukewarm.

So if the leaks are true, then with palpatine being alive, palpatine having children, and the solo kid falling to the dark side, disney is really just the Vong short of including every part fans hated about the old EU into canon without any of the good parts
That's pretty much what they did. I talked about this pages ago in that Disney brought back the worst elements and kept none of the good or decent ones, and the good ones they did bring back was only for the sake of butchering them, like Thrawn, Dash Rendar and also Han's backstory. And for some fucking reason they brought back Jaxxon and made him a major character in the Disney Wars IDW comics. And the Vong are still canon under Disney, they just renamed them the Grysk and took away the only interesting thing about them aside from their hellraiser looks and xenophobia, that being their war cult and their organic tech.
 
I wish I had seen this sooner.


There's a bunch of news about how lame Galaxy's Edge is. I did a breakdown of the park in May starting around page 500 of this thread if you're interested where I even talked about shit no one else online was covering.

@Kurosaki Ichigo also just posted some pics and info of his experience at the park in the Disney General and its still lukewarm.


That's pretty much what they did. I talked about this pages ago in that Disney brought back the worst elements and kept none of the good or decent ones, and the good ones they did bring back was only for the sake of butchering them, like Thrawn, Dash Rendar and also Han's backstory. And for some fucking reason they brought back Jaxxon and made him a major character in the Disney Wars IDW comics. And the Vong are still canon under Disney, they just renamed them the Grysk and took away the only interesting thing about them aside from their hellraiser looks and xenophobia, that being their war cult and their organic tech.

Man, it really says something when I am perfectly willing to say that I liked the Solo film (I know why people hate it, but honestly I found it inoffensive enough...except for the weird thing with the robot thinking Lando is in love with her and then her death scene where she almost appears to be right about the whole affair before he promptly merges her into the Falcon itself) and everything being described here sounds like California Adventure Mk.1 tier levels of shit.

It does remind me of why Star Tours, once my favorite ride in all of Disney, went from that to being something I want nothing to do with. The original was a fucking masterpiece - it was a SW set experience where absolutely no attempt was made to make it seem like your little trip to Endor was going to end at all well, let alone with you alive. You had physical props galore like the luggage trays moving in and out, the naked America Sings geese robots bitching about everything under the sun, and the 'prep' monitors on the screens making it truly feel like you were at a spaceport or whatever. Then, the actual ride you had this plucky pilot (Who still had a 'remove before flight' tag no less!) who can't even get into space right without nearly crashing half a dozen times, flies past your destination, crashes through an ice meteor, blunders right into an active warzone against what I think was the Death Star III and of course this pilot risks his life and the lives of everybody on his shuttle to take part in a bombing run...and then for one last parting shot, nearly gets you all killed after you land by smashing into a loaded fuel tank. And then CP30 pops on as the ride prepares to cycle passengers like absolutely nothing at all went wrong whatsoever. Oh, and as an added fun detail, if you looked at the motion simulator vehicle before you boarded, it was all nice and pristine...now, if you looked on the other side when you disembarked, it looked exactly like what you would expect it to look like after all the shit it (and you) went through. The only real problems I had with the ride were what the actual fuck were CP30 and R2D2 doing working for some space travel agency but I was willing to overlook it since obviously they needed some recognizable characters to show up. Things like the bombing run were recognizable and yet could easily have happened again given the Death Star still had the same weak spot as before - everything else about the ride was quintessentially Star Wars and yet was something inherently unique and not just retelling the film narrative again.

The current version is a bastardization of everything that made Star Tours great. Now it actually does try to spin bullshit from the first moment about how great your experience is going to be, everything looks fucking plastic, the robots aren't bitching about reality, and now your pilot is actually competent and can walk (and yet somehow is less advanced than Rex, who now simultaneously sits broken and defective in the queue line and is the DJ on Batuu?). The pre-boarding movie explaining why Ace is not your pilot but is instead CP30 also is done in that cheap looking CGI which worked for the cartoon...but given it's taking place inside the shuttle which exists in reality, it doesn't hold a candle to the old experience. And then there's the ride itself, where the gimmick now is the randomized journey...but all it is in the end is nothing more than flying through as many trademarked locations and throwing as many trademarked characters they can throw at you (quite litterally since I think a wookie gets plastered on the front of the ship at one point). And then the dumb end 'battle' at the end of TLJ which shouldn't even be there given Star Tours 2 takes place in the past whereas the Sand speeder 'battle' takes place well after the original Star Tours could have ever happened. Oh, and finally, because one of the people on the shuttle was a spy, you're all now members of the resistance on the run from Vader...who's dead depending on if you get the TLJ promotional bit or the landing on Batuu, both of which obviously happen long after the Empire is long gone. Like, I can forgive them replacing the lady in the pre-show, apparently they tried locating the original actress and failed (and the glitch to trigger the spanish safety instructions is clever enough), but the whole thing just feels corporate and soulless.

Pretty much how I'd describe Iger at this point, really. Every single goddamn thing now has to be tied to some major Disney IP instead of being original. Unless Disney can turn the sinking ship around, which I doubt at this point short of a MAJOR firing spree and some admitance of 'we fucked up' on their part (so yeah, not happening), I honestly have to wonder how long Galaxy's Edge is even going to remain open.
 
Man, it really says something when I am perfectly willing to say that I liked the Solo film (I know why people hate it, but honestly I found it inoffensive enough...except for the weird thing with the robot thinking Lando is in love with her and then her death scene where she almost appears to be right about the whole affair before he promptly merges her into the Falcon itself) and everything being described here sounds like California Adventure Mk.1 tier levels of shit.

It does remind me of why Star Tours, once my favorite ride in all of Disney, went from that to being something I want nothing to do with. The original was a fucking masterpiece - it was a SW set experience where absolutely no attempt was made to make it seem like your little trip to Endor was going to end at all well, let alone with you alive. You had physical props galore like the luggage trays moving in and out, the naked America Sings geese robots bitching about everything under the sun, and the 'prep' monitors on the screens making it truly feel like you were at a spaceport or whatever. Then, the actual ride you had this plucky pilot (Who still had a 'remove before flight' tag no less!) who can't even get into space right without nearly crashing half a dozen times, flies past your destination, crashes through an ice meteor, blunders right into an active warzone against what I think was the Death Star III and of course this pilot risks his life and the lives of everybody on his shuttle to take part in a bombing run...and then for one last parting shot, nearly gets you all killed after you land by smashing into a loaded fuel tank. And then CP30 pops on as the ride prepares to cycle passengers like absolutely nothing at all went wrong whatsoever. Oh, and as an added fun detail, if you looked at the motion simulator vehicle before you boarded, it was all nice and pristine...now, if you looked on the other side when you disembarked, it looked exactly like what you would expect it to look like after all the shit it (and you) went through. The only real problems I had with the ride were what the actual fuck were CP30 and R2D2 doing working for some space travel agency but I was willing to overlook it since obviously they needed some recognizable characters to show up. Things like the bombing run were recognizable and yet could easily have happened again given the Death Star still had the same weak spot as before - everything else about the ride was quintessentially Star Wars and yet was something inherently unique and not just retelling the film narrative again.

The current version is a bastardization of everything that made Star Tours great. Now it actually does try to spin bullshit from the first moment about how great your experience is going to be, everything looks fucking plastic, the robots aren't bitching about reality, and now your pilot is actually competent and can walk (and yet somehow is less advanced than Rex, who now simultaneously sits broken and defective in the queue line and is the DJ on Batuu?). The pre-boarding movie explaining why Ace is not your pilot but is instead CP30 also is done in that cheap looking CGI which worked for the cartoon...but given it's taking place inside the shuttle which exists in reality, it doesn't hold a candle to the old experience. And then there's the ride itself, where the gimmick now is the randomized journey...but all it is in the end is nothing more than flying through as many trademarked locations and throwing as many trademarked characters they can throw at you (quite litterally since I think a wookie gets plastered on the front of the ship at one point). And then the dumb end 'battle' at the end of TLJ which shouldn't even be there given Star Tours 2 takes place in the past whereas the Sand speeder 'battle' takes place well after the original Star Tours could have ever happened. Oh, and finally, because one of the people on the shuttle was a spy, you're all now members of the resistance on the run from Vader...who's dead depending on if you get the TLJ promotional bit or the landing on Batuu, both of which obviously happen long after the Empire is long gone. Like, I can forgive them replacing the lady in the pre-show, apparently they tried locating the original actress and failed (and the glitch to trigger the spanish safety instructions is clever enough), but the whole thing just feels corporate and soulless.

Pretty much how I'd describe Iger at this point, really. Every single goddamn thing now has to be tied to some major Disney IP instead of being original. Unless Disney can turn the sinking ship around, which I doubt at this point short of a MAJOR firing spree and some admitance of 'we fucked up' on their part (so yeah, not happening), I honestly have to wonder how long Galaxy's Edge is even going to remain open.
Honestly, the fall of Star Tours is the perfect representation of what happened to Star Wars and Disney. Almost everything has a perfect parallel to the decline in quality. And just so you know, yes, RX-24 the pilot (now called DJ R3X) did get demoted to being a really bad DJ at Batuu where he does bad "jokes" and breaks down every hour. I covered his new role in the park with pictures around page 507 or 510 I think. Its a sad state of affairs with that one.
 
Honestly, the fall of Star Tours is the perfect representation of what happened to Star Wars and Disney. Almost everything has a perfect parallel to the decline in quality. And just so you know, yes, RX-24 the pilot (now called DJ R3X) did get demoted to being a really bad DJ at Batuu where he does bad "jokes" and breaks down every hour. I covered his new role in the park with pictures around page 507 or 510 I think. Its a sad state of affairs with that one.

Honestly, I find it a bit insulting - they clearly knew that Rex was a popular character, but instead of putting him back where he belonged, they just stuck him in a bar. The break down thing actually is another clever idea - it hides the point where the show 'loops' on itself - but getting into the cantina itself is such a chore that he's no Sonny Eclipse which is blatantly what they were trying to do here.

I mean, there was NOTHING wrong with the original Star Tours. The big gimmick of multiple possible travel paths absolutely could have been retrofitted into the existing ride and improved it immensely. Instead, they gutted its character and just made it a literal IP dump. Hell, even though he's dead, it would be hillarious if K2S0 sometimes swapped off with CP30 and sounded really depressed at trying to be basically an airline gate attendant and doesn't understand why he keeps getting compared to some donkey named 'Eeyore'.

Maybe that's how people felt after the original Journey into Imagination refurb, come to think of it.
 
All the Journey refurbs have been shit. Pretty much every Future World refurb after Cronkite Spaceship Earth was shit and even that was only an equal effort to its predecessor.
As for Star Tours, yeah the old one was nice certainly, but I do like the branching thing a lot and I thought the AA for 3p0 was well-done.
Rex's bit in Rebels telling the droids to get in the back of the bus was fun, too.
 
The more I learn about the time between the end of ROTJ and the beginning of TFA (especially with asspulls announced in newer leaks of stuff that supposedly happened in that timeframe), the more it sounds like Rebells just toasted to their own victory, while the remaining forces of the Empire just pragmatically replace their former leader with whoever's next in line of the hierarchy and continue the fight.

Kind of like Disney made this Star Wars canon:
... but unironically.

Luke, Leia and Han party on Endor.
Holomessage by Mon Mothma arrives.
Mon Mothma: "Good work everyone, the Empire is destroyed."
Starkiller Base is revealed
Mon Mothma: "Who the hell built that thing?"
Admiral Ackbar: "It appears to be the Empire."
Mon Mothma: "Then who did we just blow up?"
Admiral Ackbar: "Apparently every alien species that we saw up to this point."

I'm not sure I agree with this idea, either. Anakin personally hunting down the Jedi was not only in the original trilogy but is a big part of the prequels saying "he actually did evil shit, we're not gonna dindu nuffin him". The Jedi increasingly getting involved as soldiers in the Republic and getting involved with politics was a good idea, the movies just didn't show it enough. Then EU material like KOTOR showed they were always involved in politics so it defeats the point.

Obi-Wan set up the Jedi as guardians of peace and justice in the Old Republic, it's not like it came out of nowhere.
Since the Jedi and SW in general takes a lot of concepts from japanese movies, they might as well have made the Jedi Order something similar to mountain monk warriors from Japan.

They'd be sitting in their temples, do their monk business and only every once in a while send a few troops to get involved in benign stuff like beating someone to death that plans to tax them or something.
all of this sounds insanely exceptional, i don't think that's the actual movie

then again, if someone had told me about pink haired admiral tumblr saving the day with lightspeed kamikaze prior to TLJ release, i wouldn't have believed it either so i can't be 100% sure
I don't believe the new reddit leak is true... but I want it to be true, since it's so ridiculously bad.
The only vaguely interesting thing would be to tie Rey to Palpatine, but the executions sucks and it's way too late for any of that.

If they had tied Rey to Palpy, they would have had to do that sooner and make that something that troubles her throughout the trilogy. Palpy would have to be dead for this to work, otherwise it's just a shitty retread of the Vader-Luke relationship.

Another interesting idea would be to make her the granddaughter of Grandmoff Tarkin, would have similar implications ("My granddad was a mass murderer?") but without any force-ties. Also, I can imagine Tarkin having a family, I can't see that for Palpy at all. At best, she'd be the offspring of an imperial concubine that was hidden by her mother, so she wouldn't get killed by a paranoid Emperor.
 
The more I learn about the time between the end of ROTJ and the beginning of TFA (especially with asspulls announced in newer leaks of stuff that supposedly happened in that timeframe), the more it sounds like Rebells just toasted to their own victory, while the remaining forces of the Empire just pragmatically replace their former leader with whoever's next in line of the hierarchy and continue the fight.

Kind of like Disney made this Star Wars canon:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=IviScOUgPpQ... but unironically.

Luke, Leia and Han party on Endor.
Holomessage by Mon Mothma arrives.
Mon Mothma: "Good work everyone, the Empire is destroyed."
Starkiller Base is revealed
Mon Mothma: "Who the hell built that thing?"
Admiral Ackbar: "It appears to be the Empire."
Mon Mothma: "Then who did we just blow up?"
Admiral Ackbar: "Apparently every alien species that we saw up to this point."


Since the Jedi and SW in general takes a lot of concepts from japanese movies, they might as well have made the Jedi Order something similar to mountain monk warriors from Japan.

They'd be sitting in their temples, do their monk business and only every once in a while send a few troops to get involved in benign stuff like beating someone to death that plans to tax them or something.

I don't believe the new reddit leak is true... but I want it to be true, since it's so ridiculously bad.
The only vaguely interesting thing would be to tie Rey to Palpatine, but the executions sucks and it's way too late for any of that.

If they had tied Rey to Palpy, they would have had to do that sooner and make that something that troubles her throughout the trilogy. Palpy would have to be dead for this to work, otherwise it's just a shitty retread of the Vader-Luke relationship.

Another interesting idea would be to make her the granddaughter of Grandmoff Tarkin, would have similar implications ("My granddad was a mass murderer?") but without any force-ties. Also, I can imagine Tarkin having a family, I can't see that for Palpy at all. At best, she'd be the offspring of an imperial concubine that was hidden by her mother, so she wouldn't get killed by a paranoid Emperor.
Palpy isn't the family type, that's for sure, but none of that matters since this leak (if true, which seems likely) is suggesting that Palpatine actually wants Rey to join him as family to have the same kind of powerful bond that Anakin and Luke had, which is really off coming from him, but then again its Disney/JJ. And speaking of leaks, I find it a bit amusing how quickly Redditfags went out of their way to go everywhere and make pics and videos claiming its fake and that "all fans" should band together to shit on it and dismiss it. Feels awfully coordinated on their part. I mean it being fake isn't impossible, but it matches up a little too well with pre-existing leaks, it has a pretty consistent flow in terms of how events playout and its believable, even the worst parts since Disney set the bar so low.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Fanfic stuff is always funny, rarely comes even close to the end result.

I think the safe bet is that Kylo turns back to the Light in the final moments and dies like his idol Darth Vader. There's an outside chance Hayden Christensen reprises the role as a Force ghost himself (could have sworn I read rumors about that, people seeing him on set - or was I just high?). Rey goes on to save the day and be the hero of whatever the fuck comes after all of this.

After fans shit on TLJ this ending is going to be pretty safe. Some of the fan theories I've read on Reddit are going to really far lengths, when I think it's been clear Disney is fully about hauling things back.
 
Palpy isn't the family type, that's for sure, but none of that matters since this leak (if true, which seems likely) is suggesting that Palpatine actually wants Rey to join him as family to have the same kind of powerful bond that Anakin and Luke had, which is really off coming from him, but then again its Disney/JJ. And speaking of leaks, I find it a bit amusing how quickly Redditfags went out of their way to go everywhere and make pics and videos claiming its fake and that "all fans" should band together to shit on it and dismiss it. Feels awfully strategic on their part. I mean it being fake isn't impossible, but it matches up a little too well with pre-existing leaks, it has a pretty consistent flow in terms of how events playout and its believable, even the worst parts since Disney set the bar so low.
I'm not saying the leak is true or even that I want it to be true, but the reaction to it might as well be a repeat of TLJ's leaks. More than any of the other leaks, this is the big one.
 
So if the leaks are true, then with palpatine being alive, palpatine having children, and the solo kid falling to the dark side, disney is really just the Vong short of including every part fans hated about the old EU into canon without any of the good parts
In defense of the Vong at least they were different.
A purely biological BDSM, that's not hyperbole by the way, warrior race who abhor technology and the force and using their biotech wage a devastating war on the galaxy.
You can quibble over the quality of the books but it was better and more original than "Original Trilogy 2.0. Now with more vagina and subverted expectations!".
 
In defense of the Vong at least they were different.
A purely biological BDSM, that's not hyperbole by the way, warrior race who abhor technology and the force and using their biotech wage a devastating war on the galaxy.
You can quibble over the quality of the books but it was better and more original than "Original Trilogy 2.0. Now with more vagina and subverted expectations!".
Oh I don't mind them much either, but they were among the points the old EU haters regularly voiced dislike for. I remember one of the complaints were how the Vong were destroying a lot of the established planets and alien races to raise the stakes. Which is hilarious in hindsight considering how the First Order went full Einsatz on all the old alien races
 
After fans shit on TLJ this ending is going to be pretty safe. Some of the fan theories I've read on Reddit are going to really far lengths, when I think it's been clear Disney is fully about hauling things back.

If Disney was really into hauling things back, they would declare the sequel trilogy as another AU and just snap back to Rogue Squadron/Republic vs Empire. No more First Order or Resistance bullshit, it wouldn't even require THAT much change to Galaxy's Edge since I think the only thing that would be removed is Rey and Kylo - just have Batuu become an Empire outpost. Hell, you could even still have Vader walking around with the cover story being that they know it isn't the real Vader, but the Empire wouldn't go around publicising the death of who was basically their second in command, so they have impostors walking around - this has the added bonus of incorporating the reality that Vader can't do Force powers since he's a guy in a costume.

Obviously, they're not going to do this if for litterally no other reason than marketing BB8 around (though absolutely nobody would mind if they fixed the continuity and still introduced BB unit droids), but with Kylo Ren almost certainly dying in IX and Rey's actress not coming back, either, Disney is going to be in a worse position than they would have been if the last film had still been ROTJ, since at least there Vader was the only major dead villain expected to appear in the parks.
 
Oh I don't mind them much either, but they were among the points the old EU haters regularly voiced dislike for. I remember one of the complaints were how the Vong were destroying a lot of the established planets and alien races to raise the stakes. Which is hilarious in hindsight considering how the First Order went full Einsatz on all the old alien races
That's something that I'd like to know about current SW Lore...

So, there was a virus that killed off a bunch of classic SW aliens, but there's also the First Order exterminating them apparently, is that last part actually true?

I mean, the New Republic was fucking stupid for ignoring the FO as long as they were just a bunch of wannabe-Empire-spergs at the ass-end of the galaxy, if it now turns out that the New Republic sat back and watched entire fucking species die in a genocide without doing anything and still not sending their fleet to deal with that threat, that makes them even worse.
 
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