💬 Off-Topic Critical Discussion of Trannies and Pedophilia

[AnOminous]

That's a whopping EIGHT TIMES the amount of the ratio of sex offenders in the pool of non-trans people.

It's almost like "some" of those rapists are just claiming to be trans to get into a prison with their preferred victim populations.

 

[SourDiesel]

Not only that, but she spends a good chunk of the introductory section ripping into liberal feminists’ obsession with identity politics.

But of course, most of the people who sperg about being #empowered #intersectional feminists don’t know this because they can’t be bothered to read any theoretical perspectives that aren’t offered by random leftists on Twitter.

Meh. I've read it. It ain't that great actually. Even if she has a good point about something in the introduction, the introduction is irrelevant as the paper is really summarized in the conclusion. And the conclusion is exceptional. It only works if there are literally only two streets "intersecting": black and white. But the world doesn't work that way. What if you're a black lesbian? Or mixed race? Or any number of things that will not be dealt with if we adopted her conclusion. She can't ignore this obvious issue and then complain that her work was "never meant to scale to all oppression everywhere" because increasing its scope is literally the only way it could possibly work IRL and it simply doesn't scale. She literally invented the Oppression Olympics in that paper. It wasn't that good.

 

[AbraCadaver]

I still don't understand why women not only tolerate these perverts, but go to bat for them

Speaking as a woman, there’s enormous pressure from other women, some of whom are or know these loud female activists, to go along and say “yes of course this person is a woman just as much as little biological me, yes of course they can use the ladies washroom and it doesn’t make me uncomfortable to answer tampon questions, yes of course we need to enforce their pronouns.” To do otherwise is to be a terrible woman who doesn’t even recognize fellow oppressed minority groups and isn’t even TRYING to make the world a better place and get along.

Women are socialized from infancy to be supportive and understanding as much as possible, and to just go along with things and not cause a public scene. Add to that a bunch of mental activists yelling that if you don’t support every single trans woman, you’re basically just as bad as men who call women sluts for getting pub-raped and you should be ashamed to be a woman...etc etc. No one wants to be ostracized for pointing out that this man in a dress is a pedophile.

Whether it’s faking an orgasm so you don’t have to hear your man whinge about how it’s your fault afterward so he can save face, or nodding along when Veronica starts spouting off her barely-researched activism talking points that she’s terribly keen on right now because it makes everyone on her twitter tell her how brave she is...being a woman means just going along with most things, avoiding conflict and trying not to rock the boat.

As to why those female activists are actively screaming so hard for trans rights, I have no idea. Maybe they genuinely feel that way, or think this is a step in the right direction to eradicate discrimination and hatred in the world. Or I guess if you're a straight white woman and can’t get any sweet oppression points yourself, you have to piggyback off another cause and get points for being cruelly held down in the midst of your noble ally cause. There’s always someone out there who will do anything to be seen as a long-suffering righteous crusader.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Here's an idea: let's compare how many incidents there have been of men bashing troons in the men's room, compared to troons perving, harassing, assailing, or otherwise causing harm to women and children in the ladies' room. And I don't mean gay bashings that happened in 1949. I mean like, in the last 20 years let's say.

 

[SourDiesel]

Here's an idea: let's compare how many incidents there have been of men bashing troons in the men's room, compared to troons perving, harassing, assailing, or otherwise causing harm to women and children in the ladies' room. And I don't mean gay bashings that happened in 1949. I mean like, in the last 20 years let's say.

If troons were getting bashed on the regular in men's rooms, there wouldn't be an entire genre of "Troon goes into men's room" videos on YouTube.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Oh, and transgender people do get raped too. Everyone can be raped, and rapists make up less of the population than non-rapists, so you would be correct in that there are less trans rapists than trans people that aren't. However, statistics point to there being a higher concentration of pedophiles/rapists in the trans community.

'Figures show that less than 0.2 per cent of the prison population identifies as transgender and there are thought to be around 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales.
Of these, 60 are sex offenders including 27 rapists, the Sun reported.'

Now, get this. 6.1% of prisoners are sex offenders. Compared to the 48% of trans sex offenders, that's a huge fucking anomaly. WAAAY more than the ratio of trans women raped vs natal women raped, since that's another statistic I see people like to flaunt around. That's a whopping EIGHT TIMES the amount of the ratio of sex offenders in the pool of non-trans people.

And those are just the ones who get caught.

This is a very interesting statistic. I'd quibble a bit about the second link though because it's a US source whereas the first is from the UK. It may well be that the UK has a higher percentage of sex offenders.

E.g.

Number of convicted sex offenders in jail reaches record high

Official figures show a 7 per cent increase in the number of prisoners convicted of sex crimes in England and Wales, to nearly 11,600

www.telegraph.co.uk

New data from the Ministry of Justice revealed there were just under 11,600 sentenced sex offenders at the end of March, with 779 additional sex criminals compared with a year earlier, a 7 per cent increase.
It means 17 per cent of the sentenced prison population is now a sex offender, compared with just 10 per cent at the turn of the century.

The MOJ attribute this rise from 10% to 17% due to the increase convictions caused by

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/453309/criminal-justice-statistics-march-2015.pdf.pdf

The number of defendants proceeded against for sexual offences are the highest in the decade and increased by 3% in the latest year. The increase in the number of defendants proceeded against is likely to be partly due to the Operation Yewtree investigation, connected to the Jimmy Savile inquiry and the resulting media attention. Offenders sentenced for sexual offences had an ACSL of 63.0 months, a rise of 4.5 months compared with the previous year.

There's also the on street mostly Muslim grooming gang convictions. Still there's case to be made that if 48% of trans prisoners are sex offenders that's a higher figure than the 10-17% of all prisoners. I.e. they're 2.8 to 4.8 times likely to offend.

Probably the higher percentage of sex offenders in the UK is due to grooming gangs and pedophile celebrities finally getting their collars felt by Mr Plod.

Lest you think the UK is cleaning up its act though, some dude got 18 years for saying a bunch of politicians were pedos. Maybe I'm cynical but I think some of the people he accused were guilty and the sentence was to shut him up.

 

[goldabyss]

This is a very interesting statistic. I'd quibble a bit about the second link though because it's a US source whereas the first is from the UK. It may well be that the UK has a higher percentage of sex offenders.

E.g.

Number of convicted sex offenders in jail reaches record high

Official figures show a 7 per cent increase in the number of prisoners convicted of sex crimes in England and Wales, to nearly 11,600

www.telegraph.co.uk

The MOJ attribute this rise from 10% to 17% due to the increase convictions caused by

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/453309/criminal-justice-statistics-march-2015.pdf.pdf

There's also the on street mostly Muslim grooming gang convictions. Still there's case to be made that if 48% of trans prisoners are sex offenders that's a higher figure than the 10-17% of all prisoners. I.e. they're 2.8 to 4.8 times likely to offend.

Probably the higher percentage of sex offenders in the UK is due to grooming gangs and pedophile celebrities finally getting their collars felt by Mr Plod.

Lest you think the UK is cleaning up its act though, some dude got 18 years for saying a bunch of politicians were pedos. Maybe I'm cynical but I think some of the people he accused were guilty and the sentence was to shut him up.

Oh dear, that was an embarrassing oversight by me. Thank you for correcting it, I didn't realize pedos existed so much more in the UK for it to make such a difference. 5 or 2.5 times the amount is still pretty significant but it's important especially in the current year to not make dumb mistakes like that, so I appreciate it. Sorry to iheart for that.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Oh dear, that was an embarrassing oversight by me. Thank you for correcting it, I didn't realize pedos existed so much more in the UK for it to make such a difference. 5 or 2.5 times the amount is still pretty significant but it's important especially in the current year to not make dumb mistakes like that, so I appreciate it. Sorry to iheart for that.

Kind of worrying that sex offenders are 6% of the US prison population but 10-17% of the UK one.

Which means British prisoners are 1.6 to 2.8 times likely to be sex offenders.

It's not even that the US has more restrictive rules on who is a sex offender. Quite the reverse actually - people get labelled sex offenders for things like public urination. So you do sort of suspect that the UK might have more sex offenders.

 

[Unpleasant]

It's not even that the US has more restrictive rules on who is a sex offender. Quite the reverse actually - people get labelled sex offenders for things like public urination. So you do sort of suspect that the UK might have more sex offenders.

Just going to make an aside here and point out that I am a law enforcement officer that specializes in working sex offenders and I have heard the "I'm on the registry because I pissed in an alley" thing more times that I can count and I have literally never seen it be the case. Off the top of my head I can think of two I know who claimed that but in reality they were waving their dick at little kids on a playground and used supposed public intoxication and urination as their (ultimately ineffective) defense. I'm not going to say there isn't some state or locality where it could have happened, but it's on par with domestic abusers claiming their wife made shit up or drunk drivers saying they just had one or two drinks. You have to earn your spot on the registry, and the only questionable things I ever see are legitimate romeo and juliet situations that 90% of the time get pled down to contributing to the delinquency of a minor (which isn't a registerable offense in anywhere I know of since it covers a wide range of behaviors, not just sexual)

I don't know why the UK has such a massively higher proportion of recognized sex offenders, but bear in mind that a large amount of the research into sex offenders, and the predictive analytic test used before sentencing any sex offender in the US, the static 99, is based on research out of the UK and Canada. The coding guide even acknowledges that it is by far the most accurate with regards to white subjects.

Also bear in mind that sex offenses are massively under reported in the african american and Hispanic communities in the US, and you might be able to pin part of the disparity on the fact the US is a 56% mutt country. Its impossible to get statistics on but anecdotally the amount of black kids who are sexually abused from a young age but who don't even report it at all are astronomical in poor communities. It's also hard to get blacks to testify against family members, who are the most likely to be opportunistic sex offenders in the first place. I'll be blunt and honest and just say it's hard to get black victims of rape to testify period because they get ostracized so hard for working with the law. Don't mistake this with me saying that blacks sexually offend at a higher rate than whites, just that it's really fucking hard to get good data with an uncooperative demographic.

At least they'll admit it, though, even if they don't pursue charges. Hispanics just straight up don't report it and hide it. I would imagine the same is true with the "asian" communities in the UK, who seem largely insular from what I read.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Just going to make an aside here and point out that I am a law enforcement officer that specializes in working sex offenders and I have heard the "I'm on the registry because I pissed in an alley" thing more times that I can count and I have literally never seen it be the case. Off the top of my head I can think of two I know who claimed that but in reality they were waving their dick at little kids on a playground and used supposed public intoxication and urination as their (ultimately ineffective) defense. I'm not going to say there isn't some state or locality where it could have happened, but it's on par with domestic abusers claiming their wife made shit up or drunk drivers saying they just had one or two drinks. You have to earn your spot on the registry, and the only questionable things I ever see are legitimate romeo and juliet situations that 90% of the time get pled down to contributing to the delinquency of a minor (which isn't a registerable offense in anywhere I know of since it covers a wide range of behaviors, not just sexual)

This is what I have observed as well. Any time I have seen someone make that "public urination" claim (usually in the context of them trying to get sympathy online), a deeper dig has revealed that they are hiding a truth that is a whole hell of a lot nastier. The thing people always need to remember is that these predators are sneaky. They lie and they try to make themselves look harmless to lull their victims into letting down their guard.

There are a lot of middle aged "skeptic" mom types who fall for it though, like Lenore Skenazy, who has tied herself and her "freerange kids" movement to a movement to "reform" the registry and a whole bunch of crusaders for pervs and losers who want off of it.

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

Some of this kind of thing crops up in the Susie Green and Mermaids thread. Parents who troon out their kids with hormones and Lupron say that the children can understand and consent to invasive, elective treatments that drastically change how their genitals develop and leave them sterile, and it's only a short hop from there to saying that children can consent to sexual activity. One of the whistleblowers at the NHS Tavistock gender identity clinic said they saw a family who wanted to put their daughter on puberty blockers, and it became clear that the dad was molesting her, and he didn't want her to physically mature because he only fancied prepubescent children.

Add to that all the campaigns to remove safeguarding, and the various trans youth groups that have far too wide an age range (I've seen a few that were 12-24), and you have the latest manifestation of PIE and NAMBLA trying to ride the coattails of whatever movement they think will help them get access to kids. When they tried it with the lesbian and gay movement, they (mostly lesbians tbf) told them to get out and tried hard to distance themselves from them, and condemned them. Now they're on the trans bandwagon but there isn't as much condemnation from trans activists. Sure, people disavow Yaniv himself, but not the policies and beliefs that he takes advantage of.
There's even been accusations that basic safeguarding and child protection are transphobic, because the guidance that organisations get from groups like GIRES, Gendered Intelligence, Allsorts and Stonewall doesn't understand or consider safeguarding properly, and it's not included, while teachers, medical professionals, social workers, carers and anyone working with kids should know about it. Lisa Muggeridge, The Idge Of Reason on YouTube, has some good videos up about it all, she rambles a bit but it's good stuff. Even the well-meaning troons don't realise how much they're helping nonces: Munroe Bergdorf was on Twitter telling gender confused kids to DM him and he'd talk to them in secret. You just can't do that. Even if you're not a predator (and I've no reason to believe Munroe is, yet), the next predator could say "hey kids, DM me in secret, look, this guy said it was okay". You can tell them to talk to their doctor or teacher or somebody, or send them links to organisations that have safeguarding in place, but you can't have secrets with a kid.

Link to the NHS Tavistock leaks? They sound REALLY juicy.

What makes you think NAMBLA is on the trans bandwagon? It makes sense, but if there's a proven link between the two it would be interesting to see.

 

[CheezzyMach]

The rise of Troonism and its comorbidity with obscene sexual deviancy is an odd beast, but I can break it down pretty simply, if you'd like.

The reason so many people adopt Troonism these days is that it's a zero-effort way to not only avoid responsibility for your actions, but that it makes you fundamentally impervious to criticism on Social Media. For people like Yaniv, this is a big appeal, since it covers up any impropriety you've been caught in in the past. This is when they aren't just doing it to indulge their sick fuckery, like say, Zinnia Jones.

And make no mistake: this appeal is fucking ridiculous in the sheer level of asshattery it permits you to conduct on Social Media. For all intents and purposes, you can do no wrong if you claim to be trans, with only the most toxic and insane Troon activists ever getting meaningfully sanctioned by the establishment. You can flat-out assault people, get arrested and even fined, and the Social Media platforms will happily tamp down on the people you assaulted for daring to criticize you.

Even if you manage to be the rare asshole who is such a pain in the ass that even Twitter decides you're persona non grata, however, even the most toxic troon activist virtually never gets outright banned - often eating temporary suspensions at the most. It's only when they escalate to the level of being an active hindrance to the cause that any attempt is made to rein them in via shadowbans and throttling. When you have this kind of fucking idiocy on this scale, people are going to see it and realize the obvious. Criminal record? Sex offender? No problem, assume a new identity and resume doing what you were already doing, declaring anyone who brings up your history is Deadnaming you, which is a ban-worthy trespass on most platforms.

So that explains why Troonism is such a widespread thing now, but what's with the pedophilia thing?
NAMBLA was always shot to pieces by the gay rights movement, so why the fuck is this so nascent in modern parlance?

The answer is complicated, and I could get into the details - for fucking pages - about how this is actually a part of extremist left ideology, but for now, all you need to do is focus on the LGBT movement as a political group. Over the last few years, as identity politics became more prevalent, Troons managed to finegle their way into being the top of the oppression pyramid, and have brought with it the ideological belief that ultimate freedom - namely the right to fuck absolutely everything - is their raison d'etre.

This is the reason they cry transphobia over anyone who won't fuck them, regardless of reason, and in turn, why there's so many insane sexual deviants now among their number. While they'll claim it to be otherwise, the LGBT community may as well be the T community now, as Lesbians and Bisexual people are seen as transphobes and gays are seen as insufficiently oppressed.

There has to be a breaking point to this shit though right?

This insane level of coddling mental illness and shielding of obvious predators is ridiculous.

 

[TerribleIdeas™]

We have no idea who these people are or what they are saying?

It’s not a huge secret, it’s that nobody cares or, in some cases, has the critical reading skills to interpret their publications. Academia is under enormous pressure to publish, and they are all writing about this shit. Even though most publications are locked behind paywalls you can access them either at the library or at a local university.

There's also a huge issue with intentional fabrication and use of obtuse and deliberately impenetrable jargon, like the dumbfuckery of their latest trans-defending word - "Tranmisic".

 

[💗Freddie Freaker💗]

I'd just like to point out that the "no pedos allowed" sticky thread on reddit's lgbt board was made by transwoman Nekosune/Katrina Swales, an adult baby who might have taken part in grooming transwoman Aimee Challenor when she was underage. At any rate, her lover (who is also a transwoman) Feefers/Fiona Brown definitely did.

Nekosune in a diaper:

More info here:

https://kiwifarms.pl/threads/aimee-challenor-ashton-lucas-david-challenor.47181/

 

[Tasty Tatty]

Lol what? Intersectional feminism is not stupid. It only seems outlandish now because it's been perverted from its actual meaning, because people (namely, current "gender" academics and the folks who cape for them) do not know the history.

"Intersectional Feminism" is a term that was coined by a Black woman named Audre Lorde Kimberle Crenshaw in either the '70s or '80s to describe how Black women's issues were not always tangential to White women's issues due to the fact that they were Black (and often socioeconomically disadvantaged).

That's exactly what I said: different groups have different needs and need to be solved individually.

A.K.A common sense. You don't need any fancier words for it.

 

[OttoWest]

I'd just like to point out that the "no pedos allowed" sticky thread on reddit's lgbt board was made by transwoman Nekosune/Katrina Swales, an adult baby who might have taken part in grooming transwoman Aimee Challenor when she was underage. At any rate, her lover (who is also a transwoman) Feefers/Fiona Brown definitely did.

Wyświetl załącznik 864097

Nekosune in a diaper:
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More info here:

https://kiwifarms.pl/threads/aimee-challenor-ashton-lucas-david-challenor.47181/

I’m surprised more hasn’t been dug up on Nekosune, especially after the Challenor scandal. That guy mods dozens of subs along with r/lgbt, he’s got his grody paws in a lot of fandoms/kinks, but he still something of a mystery. I’m not even sure his actual name has been discovered yet.

ETA: Here’s a petition Nekosune started protesting an 11 year old being removed from his mother’s custody after she began trooning the kid out. As with Challenor, Nekosune seems a little too invested in young boys.

 

[Fapcop]

I'm an old gay and I have literally only seen that specific acronym used by JY and his sockpuppets

“2 spirit” is actually pretty common among the woke crowd. Another place you often see it used, is in the LGBTQ2S abbreviation that is often put in official communications. And also used businesses who want everyone to know that they’re hip and cool.

If you have managed to avoid it and avoid knowing about it

I guess the fact that you’ve managed to avoid it/avoid knowing about it, is because you’re an old gay, as opposed to a total faggot.

2Spirit/Two Spirit in Canada. It's a completely bullshit word made up by white hippies and attributed to Natives who never actually used it and aren't one homogeneous group.

The Canadian left in general loves to use natives and native issues for virtue signaling. Like the way they use native women as a feels and virtue-hammer against anyone who isn’t on the social justice train.

(There is a high number of disappeared native women in Canada, and are also one of the groups at most risk of murder and sexual assault)

Of course, the fact that the vast majority of violence against native women is committed by native men, isn't brought up in polite company.

Neither is the fact that native governments and reservations are rife with corruption and dysfunction, since this crowd is more interested in feeling morally superior than in actually affecting change.

 

[dirt lamb]

Yet another video about Johnny Boy from a Youtuber I find to have decent insight (again, probably no new information here but if you want to listen to more shit talking, have at it boys)

Not sure which on-topic thread this belongs in so.....it's here now.

edit to clarify: the video is just audio with quick sketching video....one of them artsy fartsy fags.

 

[SourDiesel]

2Spirit/Two Spirit in Canada. It's a completely bullshit word made up by white hippies and attributed to Natives who never actually used it and aren't one homogeneous group.

Hey now, native SJWs absolutely use it. I shit you not I got into an argument with one who also told me their superior culture raises their boys to be "strong non-binary warriors" whatever that means. I pressed X, but they kept going. Worst game ever.

 

[Belle Ariel]

I've heard a rumor Nightwolf in the new MK game is going to be 2 spirit