💬 Off-Topic Critical Discussion of Trannies and Pedophilia

[Hongourable Madisha]

Just to reassert your point, that justification was used exactly by Sweden to legalize child porn for a short time. By the end of this saga you'll be able to differentiate who and who isn't a pedo apologist.

Some of this kind of thing crops up in the Susie Green and Mermaids thread. Parents who troon out their kids with hormones and Lupron say that the children can understand and consent to invasive, elective treatments that drastically change how their genitals develop and leave them sterile, and it's only a short hop from there to saying that children can consent to sexual activity. One of the whistleblowers at the NHS Tavistock gender identity clinic said they saw a family who wanted to put their daughter on puberty blockers, and it became clear that the dad was molesting her, and he didn't want her to physically mature because he only fancied prepubescent children.

Add to that all the campaigns to remove safeguarding, and the various trans youth groups that have far too wide an age range (I've seen a few that were 12-24), and you have the latest manifestation of PIE and NAMBLA trying to ride the coattails of whatever movement they think will help them get access to kids. When they tried it with the lesbian and gay movement, they (mostly lesbians tbf) told them to get out and tried hard to distance themselves from them, and condemned them. Now they're on the trans bandwagon but there isn't as much condemnation from trans activists. Sure, people disavow Yaniv himself, but not the policies and beliefs that he takes advantage of.
There's even been accusations that basic safeguarding and child protection are transphobic, because the guidance that organisations get from groups like GIRES, Gendered Intelligence, Allsorts and Stonewall doesn't understand or consider safeguarding properly, and it's not included, while teachers, medical professionals, social workers, carers and anyone working with kids should know about it. Lisa Muggeridge, The Idge Of Reason on YouTube, has some good videos up about it all, she rambles a bit but it's good stuff. Even the well-meaning troons don't realise how much they're helping nonces: Munroe Bergdorf was on Twitter telling gender confused kids to DM him and he'd talk to them in secret. You just can't do that. Even if you're not a predator (and I've no reason to believe Munroe is, yet), the next predator could say "hey kids, DM me in secret, look, this guy said it was okay". You can tell them to talk to their doctor or teacher or somebody, or send them links to organisations that have safeguarding in place, but you can't have secrets with a kid.

 

[OttoWest]

One of the whistleblowers at the NHS Tavistock gender identity clinic said they saw a family who wanted to put their daughter on puberty blockers, and it became clear that the dad was molesting her, and he didn't want her to physically mature because he only fancied prepubescent children.

I knew such deviancy was a possiblity within this movement but this truly one of the most heartbreaking and disgusting things I’ve read on the farms.

 

[goldabyss]

Typed this up in LGBT+ disavowals but decided to post it here because it started taking itself too seriously.

Ah, so the big tug-of-war between the true trans and the not true trans has finally begun. After lurking for years and years and generally avoiding trans cows because it simply never escalated to a point that I would care about, the only thing I can think of that involves going this far and rejecting these many plain facts and logic in order to fight for 'the right cause' are the crusades. Who cares if you 'disavow' this person, the LGBT community is massive and if there's enough members that are noticeably trying to sweep Yaniv under the rug or even trying to protect him then it certainly is too large for you, as one person on social media with less followers than the population of Wyoming to unequivocally decide that this person is no longer a part of your movement. Bullshit. Women, as much as there are plenty who never wanted to do it, have given transwomen the privilege and trust to enter their space, listening to their word that a situation like Yaniv's could NEVER happen. And then it fucking does? And oh, it's not just him? It's a shit ton more other cases that are expertly stashed away on the second or third page of Google? Uh oh.

Unfortunately for every single one of us besides Yaniv and other pedophiles, there's no 'pedo-detector' or some sort of magical red flag that confirms, undeniably, that someone is a pedophile and therefore not a 'true trans'. I'm not even going to get into how claiming a title that is mostly self-identified is completely free of pedophiles is...going to attract A LOT OF pedophiles, but I'm sure most of you could at least understand. I'm also sure these people would love such a 'pedo-detector' or a red flag, but unfortunately all the actual legitimate red flags that people tend to look for in pedophiles such as extreme social ineptitude, awkwardness/fascination with childhood, infantile behavior and self-perception, and even certain facial deformities/traits, have been absorbed by the LGBTQABCDEF+ to be supported and admired as simple quirks that someone may have and you're just a bigot for following your gut instinct that is literally fucking genetically coded into you teehee.

When I see a trans person on twitter say 'you can say all you want about Yaniv but you may NEVER misgender her', all I see is someone looking in a mirror and biting their nails, worrying about the fact that their own fantasy may come crashing down any minute. These people rely on others to indulge in their stupid game and all they think about is 'me' and 'me' and 'me'. When someone bashes Yaniv for making things harder for trans women it's absolutely amazing how statements of that nature will come out BEFORE 'oh and the poor little girls and women that he preyed upon'. Transgenderism is at its nature an extremely self-absorbed and selfish ideology and it shows when shit like this happens and these people can think of absolutely nothing first besides themselves, and how it affects them.

To those who have gone from supporting the T, to becoming a truscum, to eventually 'say whatever you want, but at least don't misgender them', - do yourselves a favor and just hit peak trans. You're going to get there eventually, and trying to cushion the landing means more victims (including children like in Yaniv's case) have to be created in order to finally get normies to realize that indulging in the T fantasy is simply not going to be possible in this current decade, century, or as long as there are two sexes where they both pose different threats to each other in different situations. This realization should have happened with the very first troon assaulting a girl/woman in a female space, but now that we know the extent that common websites are willing to go to in order to pretend like predatory troons are nothing but the alt-right's hateful manmade fantasy, no wonder nobody knew.

 

[Aviva's Biotech-Breakdown]

"Intersectional Feminism" was an stupid concept since the beginning anyway. It means that not all women are the same and different groups have different needs. Any normal rational person can tell you that without having some ideology explaining it to you. It's the same as the people who believe that saying "racism is wrong!" is groundbreaking.

Common people, or normies if you like, are more aware of these issues than they're given credit for. You don't need to educate them on racism or sexism or anything just because they don't use the fancy words you learned in your expensive university.

Lol what? Intersectional feminism is not stupid. It only seems outlandish now because it's been perverted from its actual meaning, because people (namely, current "gender" academics and the folks who cape for them) do not know the history.

"Intersectional Feminism" is a term that was coined by a Black woman named Audre Lorde Kimberle Crenshaw in either the '70s or '80s to describe how Black women's issues were not always tangential to White women's issues due to the fact that they were Black (and often socioeconomically disadvantaged).

That's literally it. But gender ideologists and zealots and autogynephiles now pretend that term is supposed to include "sex workers" and men in dresses.
It's really quite a travesty honestly. Considering the fact that Lorde herself was was a working-class Lesbian who very much stressed the fact that women's biological sex was blamed for their disenfranchisement, not gender (because radfems see gender as largely a social construct that only women were presumed to have).

It only seems like "common sense" to you now because (I assume) that the world you grew up in was largely shaped by people who had read and understood this theory for its true meaning. It has now become a catch-all term for "why can't women's rights include me?" and that's why you have men demanding lesbians suck their cocks and women demanding to be called father on birth certificates, and then a whole additional autistic group of people claiming prostitution is liberating.

 

[pluto]

"Intersectional Feminism" is a term that was coined by a Black woman named Audre Lorde in either the '70s or '80s

It was Kimberle Crenshaw in 1989, and she has since complained how the term has been misused and taken away from her original meaning.

"Some people look to intersectionality as a grand theory of everything, but that’s not my intention. If someone is trying to think about how to explain to the courts why they should not dismiss a case made by black women, just because the employer did hire blacks who were men and women who were white, well, that's what the tool was designed to do. If it works, great. If it doesn’t work, it’s not like you have to use this concept."

There is a pdf of her original paper but can't archive it for posting here.

 

[Aviva's Biotech-Breakdown]

It was Kimberle Crenshaw in 1989, and she has since complained how the term has been misused and taken away from her original meaning.

"Some people look to intersectionality as a grand theory of everything, but that’s not my intention. If someone is trying to think about how to explain to the courts why they should not dismiss a case made by black women, just because the employer did hire blacks who were men and women who were white, well, that's what the tool was designed to do. If it works, great. If it doesn’t work, it’s not like you have to use this concept."

There is a pdf of her original paper but can't archive it for posting here.

Thanks for correcting me. Audre Lorde described the theory initially I believe, and Kimberle Crenshaw coined the term.

 

[dirt lamb]

There are many, many, many more “transwomen” like Johnny, they just aren’t usually as blatant. The dude posting videos of him jacking off his girl dick in the ladies room on Twitter was another great example this week, but just another in a long series.

I think you are jumping into a story you don’t know much about, in regards to Yaniv and how we’ve reached this point. Looks like you only joined this forum, but for months we’ve been the only place discussing this guy’s predatory behavior online thanks to “trans rights” silencing very valid criticism of Yaniv. Several major feminist blogs were pulled from Wordpress for daring to call out Yaniv as a dangerous pervert preying on women and girls.

The trans-rights agenda has gave Johnny total protection until now. Until two weeks ago you had trans-politician Oger supporting Johnny and a publication ban which forbid discussing Jonathan being a pedo creep anywhere in Canada because his “gender identity” was private. For months people were banned from twitter and had blogs removed for posting evidence of him preying on young girls and being a racist piece of shit bullying immigrant women. The only reason for this was because he’s “trans”

This is just the latest creep using “trans rights” as a hammer to harm actual women and children, he’s far from the first and sadly not the last. The entire trans community has enabled this creep with their “lady dick” bullshit and have been happy to endanger or harm cis women just to preseve their “anyone who says they are a woman is” absurdities.

Yeah, I get all that, and am aware of autogynophellic losers who are abusing the trans community by claiming to be one of them just to further their fetish (chrischan and adf both fitting into that category of course). I think what I was responding to, which was about trans women taking biological women's places in sports and jobs, is not a situation that applies to the case of Yaniv. I was merely saying that point needed to be argued better. Like a total autist fag I fully support trans rights, but my definition of what makes you trans is not widely accepted in the trans community, andI sure as fuck don't support a predator no matter how they self identify. I think that shitheads like Yaniv are infringing on those rights, not fighting for them. Not to mention these disgusting dudes are causing women to lose their jobs (by suing them, not by affirmative action) and getting womens shelters shut down. These self-fetishizing creatures are weaponizing their dicks with the same intentions as your typical predator/rapist/sexual abuser/misogynist. But I don't think the logical action is to move backwards and take away the progress that's been made for people who are actually trans. There needs to be a way to legally differentiate the creeps from the people who are just trying to live their lives, and yes I mostly agree that self-identification is bullshit and has been mostly used by middle upper class white kids who feel guilty (thanks to media/their parents) for not being marginalized and so they find a way to marginalize themselves. But not all trans people are biological men, not all trans people are pedos, not all trans people are sexually deviant or violent in any way. I still think the whole point that was made abouts sports and jobs is a weak argument.

 

[goldabyss]

There needs to be a way to legally differentiate the creeps from the people who are just trying to live their lives, and yes I mostly agree that self-identification is bullshit and has been mostly used by middle upper class white kids who feel guilty (thanks to media/their parents) for not being marginalized and so they find a way to marginalize themselves. But not all trans people are biological men, not all trans people are pedos, not all trans people are sexually deviant or violent in any way.

Do you have any ideas on how to do this? People are willing to listen, including me. But it better be air-tight, it better be fucking perfect. Not near-perfect, not almost there, not 'well every ten years one person gets through the system and molests somebody'. Because if that does happen, the blood is on the hands of you and everyone else who tries to come up with a solution that doesn't work. The victims that have already come about have every person who promised women that this shit would never happen to blame, and while I don't know if you've said that or not, if you have, I hope you can handle that responsibility. Because it's not your choice to decide whether it is or not. If you've told somebody that this would never happen, which is clearly a falsehood as we all know, you are responsible if they take that to heart and end up getting violated like Yaniv's victims. You are at fault.

A million feelings of transgender adults or teens needing to be validated will never, ever amount to the importance of the safety of just one child and keeping one woman from being molested and raped. I'm sure you must agree with me, but I'm just making sure I'm not replying to a heartless monster who would dare claim that it's okay for 'just one child/woman' to end up a victim to validate any amount of adults.

 

[dirt lamb]

A million feelings of transgender adults or teens needing to be validated will never, ever amount to the importance of the safety of just one child and keeping one woman from being molested and raped. I'm sure you must agree with me, but I'm just making sure I'm not replying to a heartless monster who would dare claim that it's okay for 'just one child/woman' to end up a victim to validate any amount of adults.

I never equated hurt feelings to rape or even insinuated such an idea. Transgender people get raped too, just like transgender people can also be rapists. I have a feeling the former is a higher rate than the latter, but I would love to be proved wrong. Pedophilia and rape also are not just issues with gross autistic troons, unfortunately, so I don't know why you're so hell-bent on the notion that a transgender "might get past the system once every ten years" when the issue is so much larger and it's happening everywhere every day. I agree that the blood is on the hands of the people that say it would never happen, and that's a very relevant point with the Yaniv case if he were to get his way, but transgender women are not the number one predator that women and children have to look out for.
I think you maybe misunderstood what I said completely because I really don't know where you'd get these assumptions about my intent. I think Yaniv should have been arrested the moment the first screenshot of his predatory conversations were made public, and whether the Canadian government wants to recognize him as a woman or not doesn't change his behavior. I'm not going to argue anything you said though because I agree with your sentiments. No one's feelings are more important than protecting someone from sexual assault, especially children.

 

[Pol Pots Pooter]

Thanks for correcting me. Audre Lorde described the theory initially I believe, and Kimberle Crenshaw coined the term.

The reasoning goes all the way back to the mid 19th century, when rich white women got salty as fuck over black men getting the vote first and spent the better part of a century shitting on black people at every opportunity. Feminist racism is pretty much the sole reason we got Prohibition, and the exclusive source of some of the most racist bullshit ever spewed in the Western world. Shit like "black men get drunk and form rape gangs, so protect white girls' innocence and the purity of the races by banning alcohol".

That was part of Frederick Douglass' whole thing about the suffragette movement. He wanted Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony, and others to stop being racist cunts and appropriating everyone else's issues for their own gain while throwing everyone who wasn't a rich, educated, white woman straight under the bus. Needless to say that ain't changed, what with "intersectionality" being completely coopted and made a pillar of the SJW cult's core beliefs.

And, that brings us to the problems of today. The SJW cult's victimhood fetish rewards people for being the biggest, loudest, dumbest, and most predatory cunt in the room. Is it any wonder we have to put up with this shit?

 

[Xastur]

Just to reassert your point, that justification was used exactly by Sweden to legalize child porn for a short time. By the end of this saga you'll be able to differentiate who and who isn't a pedo apologist.

Germany's progressive left also went through the same cycle in the early 70s at the same time -- a subject I'm often reminded of so much lately: https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...ow-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

 

[simulated goat]

Germany's progressive left also went through the same cycle in the early 70s at the same time -- a subject I'm often reminded of so much lately: https://www.spiegel.de/internationa...ow-the-left-took-things-too-far-a-702679.html

Europe did that shit as a whole, culturally. I love seventies eurotrash cinema (much of it made in France and Italy with expat Spanish directors thrown in), but it crosses the pedo/incest line a lot under close examination. Despite bans, they were selling that stuff somewhere.

 

[goldabyss]

I never equated hurt feelings to rape or even insinuated such an idea. Transgender people get raped too, just like transgender people can also be rapists. I have a feeling the former is a higher rate than the latter, but I would love to be proved wrong. Pedophilia and rape also are not just issues with gross autistic troons, unfortunately, so I don't know why you're so hell-bent on the notion that a transgender "might get past the system once every ten years" when the issue is so much larger and it's happening everywhere every day. I agree that the blood is on the hands of the people that say it would never happen, and that's a very relevant point with the Yaniv case if he were to get his way, but transgender women are not the number one predator that women and children have to look out for.
I think you maybe misunderstood what I said completely because I really don't know where you'd get these assumptions about my intent. I think Yaniv should have been arrested the moment the first screenshot of his predatory conversations were made public, and whether the Canadian government wants to recognize him as a woman or not doesn't change his behavior. I'm not going to argue anything you said though because I agree with your sentiments. No one's feelings are more important than protecting someone from sexual assault, especially children.

Alright, great! I'm glad we're on the same page. As I said in my reply, I'm just making sure that you are. Any damning statement I made was done hypothetically, and was not meant to insinuate anything was concrete. Just making that very clear. Also, in my first paragraph, I stated that trans assault on people does happen much more. The one in ten years refers to the idea that even one in ten years is too many victims, not that that's how little it happens now.

So now that I know that you understand that children, and as an extension, women's rights take precedence over the rights of an adult's validation, please tell me how you could allow, IF you do, trans women into women's bathrooms and changing rooms, and other private areas. If you're not on board with this then, again, great, we're on the same page and I have nothing more to say. The reason why I get the impression that you and therefore why I'm asking for clarification is because you seem to want some kind of pedo detection or a surefire way to tell a real trans person from a fake one, yet even if we could do that, I don't understand how humans (and this includes children) don't have the right to only be put in private places with the same sex. If you want to compare apples to apples, you're weighing one person's discomfort with another's. To choose one over the other for no other reason would be stating that one person's comfort is worth more than the other, which is not something that I support. But there is a reason we choose the discomfort of a non-trans person over that of a trans person, and that's because wanting to be around other people that share a very defining part of both biology and life with you is a basic human right.
Again if you wouldn't allow a trans woman into a woman's bathroom or anywhere else like that, please disregard what I said. I just don't want to put together a mental profile for you reading previous posts, as I don't want to cite an old opinion you may not still agree with.

Oh, and transgender people do get raped too. Everyone can be raped, and rapists make up less of the population than non-rapists, so you would be correct in that there are less trans rapists than trans people that aren't. However, statistics point to there being a higher concentration of pedophiles/rapists in the trans community.

'Figures show that less than 0.2 per cent of the prison population identifies as transgender and there are thought to be around 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales.
Of these, 60 are sex offenders including 27 rapists, the Sun reported.'

Now, get this. 6.1% of prisoners are sex offenders. (EDIT: I've been informed by another user that that's just America's statistic. In the UK, it's 10-17%) Compared to the 48% of trans sex offenders, that's a huge fucking anomaly. WAAAY more than the ratio of trans women raped vs natal women raped, since that's another statistic I see people like to flaunt around. That's a whopping EIGHT FIVE TO TWO AND A HALF TIMES the amount of the ratio of sex offenders in the pool of non-trans people (in the UK).

And those are just the ones who get caught.

 

[Aviva's Biotech-Breakdown]

Alright, great! I'm glad we're on the same page. As I said in my reply, I'm just making sure that you are. Any damning statement I made was done hypothetically, and was not meant to insinuate anything was concrete. Just making that very clear. Also, in my first paragraph, I stated that trans assault on peope does happen much more. The one in ten years refers to the idea that even one in ten years is too many victims, not that that's how little it happens now.

So now that I know that you understand that children, and as an extension, women's rights take precedence over the rights of an adult's validation, please tell me how you could allow, IF you do, trans women into women's bathrooms and changing rooms, and other private areas. If you're not on board with this then, again, great, we're on the same page and I have nothing more to say. The reason why I get the impression that you and therefore why I'm asking for clarification is because you seem to want some kind of pedo detection or a surefire way to tell a real trans person from a fake one, yet even if we could do that, I don't understand how humans (and this includes children) don't have the right to only be put in private places with the same sex. If you want to compare apples to apples, you're weighing one person's discomfort with another's. To choose one over the other for no other reason would be stating that one person's comfort is worth more than the other, which is not something that I support. But there is a reason we choose the discomfort of a non-trans person over that of a trans person, and that's because wanting to be around other people that share a very defining part of both biology and life with you is a basic human right.
Again if you wouldn't allow a trans woman into a woman's bathroom or anywhere else like that, please disregard what I said. I just don't want to put together a mental profile for you reading previous posts, as I don't want to cite an old opinion you may not still agree with.

Oh, and transgender people do get raped too. Everyone can be raped, and rapists make up less of the population than non-rapists, so you would be correct in that there are less trans rapists than trans people that aren't. However, statistics point to there being a higher concentration of pedophiles/rapists in the trans community.

'Figures show that less than 0.2 per cent of the prison population identifies as transgender and there are thought to be around 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales.
Of these, 60 are sex offenders including 27 rapists, the Sun reported.'

Now, get this. 6.1% of prisoners are sex offenders. Compared to the 48% of trans sex offenders, that's a huge fucking anomaly. WAAAY more than the ratio of trans women raped vs natal women raped, since that's another statistic I see people like to flaunt around. That's a whopping SIX TIMES the amount of the ratio of sex offenders in the pool of non-trans people.

And those are just the ones who get caught.

Bookmarking this next time someone wants to whine to me about about how many "black trans womxn were raped/killed today". There should be greater concern for the high concentration sexual deviant/violent individuals in the trans community, and how sex work (which happens to be the chosen occupation of many black trans women) is fucking dangerous and not liberating for anybody, especially those of low SES.

Even "cis" gay men, who exist in much greater numbers than trans women, commit sexual assaults at about the same rate as heterosexual men. Not higher. The same cannot be said for trans-identified males (against women mostly, and also men).

Additonally, men are orders of magnitude more likely to be raped by another man than they are lead to believe, but it's still nowhere near that of actual women. Trans women are men and when they're raped it should be interpreted as a male perp/male victim attack.

 

[dirt lamb]

Alright, great! I'm glad we're on the same page. As I said in my reply, I'm just making sure that you are. Any damning statement I made was done hypothetically, and was not meant to insinuate anything was concrete. Just making that very clear. Also, in my first paragraph, I stated that trans assault on peope does happen much more. The one in ten years refers to the idea that even one in ten years is too many victims, not that that's how little it happens now.

So now that I know that you understand that children, and as an extension, women's rights take precedence over the rights of an adult's validation, please tell me how you could allow, IF you do, trans women into women's bathrooms and changing rooms, and other private areas. If you're not on board with this then, again, great, we're on the same page and I have nothing more to say. The reason why I get the impression that you and therefore why I'm asking for clarification is because you seem to want some kind of pedo detection or a surefire way to tell a real trans person from a fake one, yet even if we could do that, I don't understand how humans (and this includes children) don't have the right to only be put in private places with the same sex. If you want to compare apples to apples, you're weighing one person's discomfort with another's. To choose one over the other for no other reason would be stating that one person's comfort is worth more than the other, which is not something that I support. But there is a reason we choose the discomfort of a non-trans person over that of a trans person, and that's because wanting to be around other people that share a very defining part of both biology and life with you is a basic human right.
Again if you wouldn't allow a trans woman into a woman's bathroom or anywhere else like that, please disregard what I said. I just don't want to put together a mental profile for you reading previous posts, as I don't want to cite an old opinion you may not still agree with.

Oh, and transgender people do get raped too. Everyone can be raped, and rapists make up less of the population than non-rapists, so you would be correct in that there are less trans rapists than trans people that aren't. However, statistics point to there being a higher concentration of pedophiles/rapists in the trans community.

'Figures show that less than 0.2 per cent of the prison population identifies as transgender and there are thought to be around 125 transgender prisoners in England and Wales.
Of these, 60 are sex offenders including 27 rapists, the Sun reported.'

Now, get this. 6.1% of prisoners are sex offenders. Compared to the 48% of trans sex offenders, that's a huge fucking anomaly. WAAAY more than the ratio of trans women raped vs natal women raped, since that's another statistic I see people like to flaunt around. That's a whopping SIX TIMES the amount of the ratio of sex offenders in the pool of non-trans people.

And those are just the ones who get caught.

These are the statistics I was hoping to be educated on in response, and I agree it's fucking alarming. However, I don't see the logic in forcing trans women into mens locker rooms/bathrooms where they could become the victims instead. I guess the safest solution would be single stall bathrooms. As far as locker rooms go, I don't know. I can't think of a solution that creates safety for everyone who is entitled to it (i.e. everyone who isn't a predator or even just a creep) but I can't get behind the idea of sending innocent transgender people into scenarios that are dangerous for them to save someone else from a potential danger that said-hypothetical-transgender-person doesn't pose.

Spoiler: Just to save everyone's eyes from being bombarded with my faggoty responses

It's hard for me to come to the conclusion that barring transgenders from using facilities that cater to the gender they identify as will create utmost safety for women and children, and it's because my outlook on rape/assault/who can be trusted is very biased based on my own personal experiences, I'll admit that is probably a big reason why I am trying to point out the fault in believing safety is to be expected in hetero-normative/gender-normative settings (Idk if those are the right terms I'm searching for so I hope you get what I mean). Basically all of this boils down to toxic masculinity for me (for lack of a better term please I'm not a libtard I swear, and I know and firmly stand by the fact that women can also be predators but for arguments sake and staying mildly on topic I'm just going to focus on men and transgender women).

I really do want to be an trans-ally, I want to see equality for not just the LGBTQ community but for all individuals, especially when it comes to the law. Yaniv should not be soft-balled just because he claims he's trans. However, I believe people like Yaniv and those who defend him and others like him are perpetuating huge injustices for gaining equality. A transgender predator should be treated like a cisgender predator with an added extra layer of deception and premeditation.
But to get back to what you're asking, I really don't have a solution that I see to be fair and just. I hate to say this, but I live in a world where no one is to be trusted with anything, especially if you don't know them, and so if you're willing to be in undress in a semi-public setting (like a gym locker room) then you better be on guard the entire time. This isn't advice I give because its grim and shitty, but it's how I see the world. The law and the public have yet to protect me from assault. I don't wish it on anyone else, especially a child, but I find this trans-pedo argument to be part of a much larger issue that extends beyond being trans yet has everything to do with having a dick.

Those statistics are extremely alarming, and maybe authogynephilia is something that needs to be medically/legally recognized outside of the LGBTQLMNOP123++- community as the sinister and delusional and dangerous fetish and predatory tactic that it is. I know someone like this in my personal life who is DEFINITELY a fucking potential danger to all women, and some men, they're not a pedo but they are definitely twisted and deviant and use their "transition" to get moronic women to trust them. The fact that I know someone like this IRL makes me fully believe the statistics you presented to me. But I just can't resolve my opinion on that one person as a fair opinion on all trans women. Idk, I'm gonna stop rambling because I have no logical solutions to lay on the table, just a bunch of autistic opinions.

 

[Aviva's Biotech-Breakdown]

These are the statistics I was hoping to be educated on in response, and I agree it's fucking alarming. However, I don't see the logic in forcing trans women into mens locker rooms/bathrooms where they could become the victims instead. I guess the safest solution would be single stall bathrooms. As far as locker rooms go, I don't know. I can't think of a solution that creates safety for everyone who is entitled to it (i.e. everyone who isn't a predator or even just a creep) but I can't get behind the idea of sending innocent transgender people into scenarios that are dangerous for them to save someone else from a potential danger that said-hypothetical-transgender-person doesn't pose.

Spoiler: Just to save everyone's eyes from being bombarded with my faggoty responses

It's hard for me to come to the conclusion that barring transgenders from using facilities that cater to the gender they identify as will create utmost safety for women and children, and it's because my outlook on rape/assault/who can be trusted is very biased based on my own personal experiences, I'll admit that is probably a big reason why I am trying to point out the fault in believing safety is to be expected in hetero-normative/gender-normative settings (Idk if those are the right terms I'm searching for so I hope you get what I mean). Basically all of this boils down to toxic masculinity for me (for lack of a better term please I'm not a libtard I swear, and I know and firmly stand by the fact that women can also be predators but for arguments sake and staying mildly on topic I'm just going to focus on men and transgender women).

I really do want to be an trans-ally, I want to see equality for not just the LGBTQ community but for all individuals, especially when it comes to the law. Yaniv should not be soft-balled just because he claims he's trans. However, I believe people like Yaniv and those who defend him and others like him are perpetuating huge injustices for gaining equality. A transgender predator should be treated like a cisgender predator with an added extra layer of deception and premeditation.
But to get back to what you're asking, I really don't have a solution that I see to be fair and just. I hate to say this, but I live in a world where no one is to be trusted with anything, especially if you don't know them, and so if you're willing to be in undress in a semi-public setting (like a gym locker room) then you better be on guard the entire time. This isn't advice I give because its grim and shitty, but it's how I see the world. The law and the public have yet to protect me from assault. I don't wish it on anyone else, especially a child, but I find this trans-pedo argument to be part of a much larger issue that extends beyond being trans yet has everything to do with having a dick.

Those statistics are extremely alarming, and maybe authogynephilia is something that needs to be medically/legally recognized outside of the LGBTQLMNOP123++- community as the sinister and delusional and dangerous fetish and predatory tactic that it is. I know someone like this in my personal life who is DEFINITELY a fucking potential danger to all women, and some men, they're not a pedo but they are definitely twisted and deviant and use their "transition" to get moronic women to trust them. The fact that I know someone like this IRL makes me fully believe the statistics you presented to me. But I just can't resolve my opinion on that one person as a fair opinion on all trans women. Idk, I'm gonna stop rambling because I have no logical solutions to lay on the table, just a bunch of autistic opinions.

Single stall bathrooms in busy places like shopping malls, movie theaters, amusement parks, etc are highly inefficient. Most trans women don't pass, and the ones that do pass are more likely to have actual dysphoria. That's why there needs to be a highly vetted process for determining who is actually trans and who is allowed to be escorted out of female bathrooms by cops.

 

[dirt lamb]

Single stall bathrooms in busy places like shopping malls, movie theaters, amusement parks, etc are highly inefficient. Most trans women don't pass, and the ones that do pass are more likely to have actual dysphoria. That's why there needs to be a highly vetted process for determining who is actually trans and who is allowed to be escorted out of female bathrooms by cops.

I agree, I think there should be some kind of legal way to differentiate the creeps from those who struggle with actual gender dysphoria and are just trying to live their lives as comfortably as they can (there's already a medical and scientific way to differentiate them but that does no one any good against the Yanivs of the world in the general public). And I totally understand single stall bathrooms aren't super logical in most public settings, it's just the only solution I can think of, albeit not a good one.

 

[goldabyss]

These are the statistics I was hoping to be educated on in response, and I agree it's fucking alarming. However, I don't see the logic in forcing trans women into mens locker rooms/bathrooms where they could become the victims instead. I guess the safest solution would be single stall bathrooms. As far as locker rooms go, I don't know. I can't think of a solution that creates safety for everyone who is entitled to it (i.e. everyone who isn't a predator or even just a creep) but I can't get behind the idea of sending innocent transgender people into scenarios that are dangerous for them to save someone else from a potential danger that said-hypothetical-transgender-person doesn't pose.

Spoiler: Just to save everyone's eyes from being bombarded with my faggoty responses

It's hard for me to come to the conclusion that barring transgenders from using facilities that cater to the gender they identify as will create utmost safety for women and children, and it's because my outlook on rape/assault/who can be trusted is very biased based on my own personal experiences, I'll admit that is probably a big reason why I am trying to point out the fault in believing safety is to be expected in hetero-normative/gender-normative settings (Idk if those are the right terms I'm searching for so I hope you get what I mean). Basically all of this boils down to toxic masculinity for me (for lack of a better term please I'm not a libtard I swear, and I know and firmly stand by the fact that women can also be predators but for arguments sake and staying mildly on topic I'm just going to focus on men and transgender women).

I really do want to be an trans-ally, I want to see equality for not just the LGBTQ community but for all individuals, especially when it comes to the law. Yaniv should not be soft-balled just because he claims he's trans. However, I believe people like Yaniv and those who defend him and others like him are perpetuating huge injustices for gaining equality. A transgender predator should be treated like a cisgender predator with an added extra layer of deception and premeditation.
But to get back to what you're asking, I really don't have a solution that I see to be fair and just. I hate to say this, but I live in a world where no one is to be trusted with anything, especially if you don't know them, and so if you're willing to be in undress in a semi-public setting (like a gym locker room) then you better be on guard the entire time. This isn't advice I give because its grim and shitty, but it's how I see the world. The law and the public have yet to protect me from assault. I don't wish it on anyone else, especially a child, but I find this trans-pedo argument to be part of a much larger issue that extends beyond being trans yet has everything to do with having a dick.

Those statistics are extremely alarming, and maybe authogynephilia is something that needs to be medically/legally recognized outside of the LGBTQLMNOP123++- community as the sinister and delusional and dangerous fetish and predatory tactic that it is. I know someone like this in my personal life who is DEFINITELY a fucking potential danger to all women, and some men, they're not a pedo but they are definitely twisted and deviant and use their "transition" to get moronic women to trust them. The fact that I know someone like this IRL makes me fully believe the statistics you presented to me. But I just can't resolve my opinion on that one person as a fair opinion on all trans women. Idk, I'm gonna stop rambling because I have no logical solutions to lay on the table, just a bunch of autistic opinions.

And I can't say I can disagree with anything you said here. I'm glad you were able to see where I'm coming from, and I can see where you are too. In fact it's not far off from how I felt before even starting this conversation. Aviva and you already mentioned how gender neutral bathrooms are inefficient but I'm also going to go in and recommend looking up violence that happens in gender neutral bathrooms - something that's not extremely fishy in and of itself, but if you notice that really only women's bathrooms get turned into gender neutral bathrooms - you can see how there's a bit of a sinister undertone to the fact.

EDIT: Adding on, I genuinely do see how in your eyes and many others, people shouldn't be punished for who they are or for having a mental illness (just generalizing; I know some people don't consider trans a mental illness). But punishment means someone was trying to enact revenge. Nobody is doing that, it's just that the right for women and children to feel safe absolutely have to take precedent over an adult's mental illness. It's shitty, I'm sure we all wish that didn't have to happen but sometimes you gotta choose. That's just the way it is until somebody comes up with a good enough solution, like you mentioned. Sorry if this point was repetitive since I know a big point you are making is for there TO BE a solution, I just want to make it clear I do sympathize with your concerns for the safety of trans people.

I think the problem here is in that by protecting a targeted class, in this case, women and children - feelings are going to be hurt, sometimes people will be hurt as you mentioned, and in an ideal world that doesn't happen. I believe any man can wear any feminine article of clothing that he likes without being torn to shreds about it and I'm not going to pretend like men are completely devoid of any danger when it comes to wearing cute things or acting more feminine than socially acceptable. As much as I don't hear about it, I can absolutely see how that could happen more than it should, and I take anyone's word for it.

At the end of the day sometimes you just have to shoulder the anguish you may have from society being the way it is and live with it. We all have one thing that we have to hide that we know ourselves is completely innocent. Sometimes, you can be justified in the way you are, and someone will judge you and fear you/avoid you vehemently - and both people will be in the right. People will say you should just be yourself but never mention how hard it is to do it. The best trans individuals I know are the ones who understand this and understand why they have to use the male bathrooms and why not everybody has to use the pronouns they want. And generally, these are the ones who are 'actually trans' (for lack of better wording) because just like a natal woman who is called 'he/him' without her consent they don't need the correct pronouns to validate themselves. They are who they are and they don't need the law, twitter, social media, anybody - to validate themselves for them.

But look at how far the T was able to go already. And the LGB in terms of getting marriage equality. There's no doubt in my mind if we as people put our hearts in it we could get the male equivalent to tom girls accepted, I mean I know plenty of girls who stay quiet about wanting a man who isn't afraid to wear pink and frills. And personally, I feel like there is a great social commentary that can be made about the fact that society was ready to accept that sex isn't real before natal, proud-to-be-male men could adopt feminine qualities.

 

[OG 666]

Lol what? Intersectional feminism is not stupid. It only seems outlandish now because it's been perverted from its actual meaning, because people (namely, current "gender" academics and the folks who cape for them) do not know the history.

"Intersectional Feminism" is a term that was coined by a Black woman named Audre Lorde Kimberle Crenshaw in either the '70s or '80s to describe how Black women's issues were not always tangential to White women's issues due to the fact that they were Black (and often socioeconomically disadvantaged).

Not only that, but she spends a good chunk of the introductory section ripping into liberal feminists’ obsession with identity politics.

But of course, most of the people who sperg about being #empowered #intersectional feminists don’t know this because they can’t be bothered to read any theoretical perspectives that aren’t offered by random leftists on Twitter.

 

[dirt lamb]

And I can't say I can disagree with anything you said here. I'm glad you were able to see where I'm coming from, and I can see where you are too. In fact it's not far off from how I felt before even starting this conversation. Aviva and you already mentioned how gender neutral bathrooms are inefficient but I'm also going to go in and recommend looking up violence that happens in gender neutral bathrooms - something that's not extremely fishy in and of itself, but if you notice that really only women's bathrooms get turned into gender neutral bathrooms - you can see how there's a bit of a sinister undertone to the fact.

EDIT: Adding on, I genuinely do see how in your eyes and many others, people shouldn't be punished for who they are or for having a mental illness (just generalizing; I know some people don't consider trans a mental illness). But punishment means someone was trying to enact revenge. Nobody is doing that, it's just that the right for women and children to feel safe absolutely have to take precedent over an adult's mental illness. It's shitty, I'm sure we all wish that didn't have to happen but sometimes you gotta choose. That's just the way it is until somebody comes up with a good enough solution, like you mentioned. Sorry if this point was repetitive since I know a big point you are making is for there TO BE a solution, I just want to make it clear I do sympathize with your concerns for the safety of trans people.

I think the problem here is in that by protecting a targeted class, in this case, women and children - feelings are going to be hurt, sometimes people will be hurt as you mentioned, and in an ideal world that doesn't happen. I believe any man can wear any feminine article of clothing that he likes without being torn to shreds about it and I'm not going to pretend like men are completely devoid of any danger when it comes to wearing cute things or acting more feminine than socially acceptable. As much as I don't hear about it, I can absolutely see how that could happen more than it should, and I take anyone's word for it.

At the end of the day sometimes you just have to shoulder the anguish you may have from society being the way it is and live with it. We all have one thing that we have to hide that we know ourselves is completely innocent. Sometimes, you can be justified in the way you are, and someone will judge you and fear you/avoid you vehemently - and both people will be in the right. People will say you should just be yourself but never mention how hard it is to do it. The best trans individuals I know are the ones who understand this and understand why they have to use the male bathrooms and why not everybody has to use the pronouns they want. And generally, these are the ones who are 'actually trans' (for lack of better wording) because just like a natal woman who is called 'he/him' without her consent they don't need the correct pronouns to validate themselves. They are who they are and they don't need the law, twitter, social media, anybody - to validate themselves for them.

But look at how far the T was able to go already. And the LGB in terms of getting marriage equality. There's no doubt in my mind if we as people put our hearts in it we could get the male equivalent to tom girls accepted, I mean I know plenty of girls who stay quiet about wanting a man who isn't afraid to wear pink and frills. And personally, I feel like there is a great social commentary that can be made about the fact that society was ready to accept that sex isn't real before natal, proud-to-be-male men could adopt feminine qualities.

Really couldn't have (and clearly didn't lol) said it better myself. Most transgender (and non-binary) people I know would fully agree with these sentiments as well (mostly) and that is the real beauty in the reality of our society. Hopefully in our lifetime (sooner than later, fingers corssed) a fair solution will be found for everyone. Until then, I will always choose individual safety over individual comfort, mental illness or not. There are solutions to manage illnesses, there are no reliable solutions to predict violence or to stop violence once it's already happening without equal amounts of violence, which isn't always an option. I just hope people who are more likely to be targeted keep their wits about them enough to avoid dangers that society doesn't protect them from.