🌟 Internet Famous Jared Knabenbauer / ProJared / SinJared, Heidi O'Ferrall / AtelierHeidi & Holly Conrad / CommanderHolly - Divorce Fiasco, trashfire extraordinaire

Who is the most "specially gifted" member of the gang?

  • Jared

    Głosy: 1 129 36,8%
  • PBG

    Głosy: 620 20,2%
  • Holly

    Głosy: 754 24,6%
  • Heidi

    Głosy: 478 15,6%
  • Null

    Głosy: 1 391 45,3%
  • Ross

    Głosy: 165 5,4%
  • Nulyu

    Głosy: 52 1,7%

  • Łączna liczba głosujących
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And yet Holly is the one accused of manipulating her followers, lol.


"I had to move out with no help except some movers that Jared paid for, moving into a place Jared co-signed on and helped me pay for. Holly is just misleading you."

"Jared and I did not split or start divorcing in October 2018, he just said we did and stopped wearing his wedding ring. Holly is just misleading you."

"I was the one that filed divorce and left him, except I also was forced to move out and the records show Jared is the one that filed for divorce. Holly is just misleading you."

"I never threatened or blackmailed Jared, except for threatening to do everything to ruin his career and the show he helped create if he didn't do exacrly what I told him to do. Holly is just misleading you."

"I only want Jared to get the help he needs, people shouldn't hate him, I don't want to attack him here, except for the part where I threatened to publicly destroy him, reveled in his 'public execution', and won't stop talking about it even if no one else is. Holly is just misleading you."

When Heidi says Holly or Jared are misleading people, I start to look for what she is hiding to mislead people.
 
Possible ID for the anonymous source that was a Twitch mod for Jared

Seems like that is definitely her. I just went through her Twitter and she has a bit of an obsession with both Holly and Jared. She also has drawn fan art of their characters. Considering she still @s Holly through Twitter it's safe to say Holly was in on her talking to that petition guy despite Holly pretending she wanted to respect the wishes of Ross to stay out of it. No way this girl would have been able to provide screenshots and not have Holly know who she was.

Jared sure likes exchanging nudes with asexual girls with low self esteem and mental illnesses.
 
Is it wrong that just after reading that I hate her?
"Asexual, but sex positive"?
No, fuck you.
Why though? I identify as asexual but I am also sex positive, in that, I don't give a fuck what people do sexually, just don't do it to me. I will agree that her exchanging nudes is a bit weird with that statement though... as that would allude to sexual attraction, which tends to be the base line agreement on what asexuality isn't.
 
Why though? I identify as asexual but I am also sex positive, in that, I don't give a fuck what people do sexually, just don't do it to me. I will agree that her exchanging nudes is a bit weird with that statement though... as that would allude to sexual attraction, which tends to be the base line agreement on what asexuality isn't.
Because only the worst people make random posts about their sexuality like it makes them important and special.
 
We also have a lot of people close to Holly and Ross that have said it wasn't cheating and that their relationship was open or "loose". She may have left Ross because she didn't love him and fell in love with Jared, but if their relationship was open during that time it wouldn't be cheating.

Yeah, it would just be another r/polyamory story.
 
I still don't see why having a nude-sharing community is such a big deal. Yeah, kids can lie and post there which is a terrible thing, but it's not like there are any tools to prevent that (arguably the government's job, or a parent's job). All you can do, is deal with things as best you can with the tools at your disposal (ban people if they're discovered to be underage, which seems to have been done).

Presumably some kids do share nudes with each other or strangers, based on the fact there are numerous platforms and avenues for them to do so. Whether someone does, or does not have a nude-sharing blog doesn't change that in the slightest. Can't cure a disease by only attacking symptoms as they appear - you need a solution for the root problem (kids taking/sharing nudes in general)...and no one has come up with one yet.

As for celebs soliciting nudes, why is it bad when they do it, as opposed to a regular Joe/Jane asking for nudes? If people feel they need to expose their wrinkly bits to get a new avenue of attention from a celeb they admire (other than YouTube comments, Twitch, patreon, reddit, etc), then that sounds like more of a 'them' problem. If Jared came out and said (or implied): "you only get attention from me if you send nudes", or somehow indicated they'd get preferential treatment if they did...sure, burn him at the stake, but I have seen no evidence of this.

As far as I can tell, Jared is being crucified (in part), for being a member of a nude-sharing community. Whether he or someone else ran it seems kinda irrelevant imho (though perhaps people disagree?). I can see how someone with deep-rooted religious values might be shocked by such sexual openness, but ethically, I can't hold it against him. The fact that he is a celebrity of sorts, shouldn't mean he has less freedom of speech or dick-sharing than you and me.


Not saying he's a nice guy or innocent, just saying throughout all this drama, I haven't seen enough reliable evidence to hold anything against him. Forget "beyond reasonable doubt", there isn't even a preponderance of (reliable) evidence against him...at least not that I've seen. Unless I see something concrete, I won't be treating him or his content any differently.

Being a part of a nude-sharing community is not a big deal, many people do it. It is, however, a bad idea if you're any kind of famous as it will tarnish your image. This doubly applies to Jared (and any youtuber/content creator) because his image is essentially his "brand". He essentially runs a company that only he works for, so things he does in his private life will bleed over into his professional life and so on.

The part that gets people really upset though, is that he was nude sharing with his own youtube community - which considering he is a video game/d&d youtuber and streamer, means it's a community that has some very young people in it. Of his 1mil subscribers, it's likely that at least 250,000 are under the age of 18 (if not more) and he has access to those metrics. This is not a community that was a good move for and adult to share nudes in. There are already communities that are built for that and those communities make up like half of the internet basically.

It would be like having a nude-sharing tumblr that's loosely tied to the My Little Pony or Dora the Explorer communities - technically there are adults in these communities, but it's generally regarded as a kids domain and an adult doing it, even if nothing bad comes of it - (Example - Jared no longer has any credible accusers) it's still going to sit wrongly with people.
 
It would be like having a nude-sharing tumblr that's loosely tied to the My Little Pony or Dora the Explorer communities - technically there are adults in these communities, but it's generally regarded as a kids domain and an adult doing it, even if nothing bad comes of it - (Example - Jared no longer has any credible accusers) it's still going to sit wrongly with people.

Comparing it to shows like Dora or MLP feels unfair, because they are designed to directly market towards people not just under 18, but young age children. Jared's content wasn't driven towards kids, but it was clean enough to be accessible to them. If 3/4ths of his audience was over the age he required to visit his side blog, that makes it obvious that those under 18 aren't his market, and just because kids may like his content doesn't show any link between his youtube persona and his nude-swap blog.
 
Have you seen this guys' GRILL. Last time I saw a mouth like that it had a fucking fishhook in it. And a chance to get laid by an adult probably doesn't happen much in CHOMPERS life.

Please dont tell me this asshole makes a million dollars a month like pewdiepie off you tube commercials....
 
Comparing it to shows like Dora or MLP feels unfair, because they are designed to directly market towards people not just under 18, but young age children. Jared's content wasn't driven towards kids, but it was clean enough to be accessible to them. If 3/4ths of his audience was over the age he required to visit his side blog, that makes it obvious that those under 18 aren't his market, and just because kids may like his content doesn't show any link between his youtube persona and his nude-swap blog.

Youtube Gaming and Let's Plays in general are a kids thing, even if there's a segment that's for adults. I'm only guessing at the 25% of the audience thing because youtube doesn't have very good metrics in that area (or they do, but don't share them). The only reason I would put it at 25% is because frankly his content is a bit boring, but I don't know what the fuck kids watch or do.

His content wasn't expressly driven towards kids, but to suggest that he doesn't have a large part of his base as "under 18" is kind of silly. That's the audience for Markiplier, Game Grumps (who he guested on with some frequency), every fortnite person, most minecraft people, etc. There's an express reason that Game Grumps/Markiplier/etc think the peak of comedy is weird jokes and dumb voices, because under 18s think that is hilarious. There's a reason a lot of these people are trying to cut back on profanity and racy humor and it isn't just for advertisers.

But you're right that maybe MLP/Dora was a bad example, because those are expressly for kids - I can't think of a better one though.

Just don't fuck your fans Jared, take that shit to fetlife or whatever.
 
Youtube Gaming and Let's Plays in general are a kids thing, even if there's a segment that's for adults. I'm only guessing at the 25% of the audience thing because youtube doesn't have very good metrics in that area (or they do, but don't share them). The only reason I would put it at 25% is because frankly his content is a bit boring, but I don't know what the fuck kids watch or do.

His content wasn't expressly driven towards kids, but to suggest that he doesn't have a large part of his base as "under 18" is kind of silly. That's the audience for Markiplier, Game Grumps (who he guested on with some frequency), every fortnite person, most minecraft people, etc. There's an express reason that Game Grumps/Markiplier/etc think the peak of comedy is weird jokes and dumb voices, because under 18s think that is hilarious. There's a reason a lot of these people are trying to cut back on profanity and racy humor and it isn't just for advertisers.

But you're right that maybe MLP/Dora was a bad example, because those are expressly for kids - I can't think of a better one though.

Just don't fuck your fans Jared, take that shit to fetlife or whatever.


Aside from occasional Pokemon, Jared mostly plays old games, RPGs, and graphical novels - non of which is anywhere near the content kids watch (Minecraft, LoL, GTA V, Fortnite, PUBG, Clash, etc')

In addition to that, his Let's Play channel (which was active daily, as opposed to once-in-a-while) is not even his main channel, and has a different audience than the main channel. lookin at the past year or two of videos on the main channel that had the 1M subs, it has FF Retrospectives, E3 recaps, D&D videos, an MH review and a sponsored Mobile game review for an SMT game.

Which of those would you label as kid oriented or kid friendly or even appealing in any way to kids?
 
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He does a playthrough of a game called Lust For Darkness, which is about infiltrating an explicitly portrayed sex cult that has vagina-shaped portals to an alternate sex dimension that has monsters with penises for heads.

His content is not for children.

Using another's example of MLP and Dora, their target audience is clearly children. The majority of the audience are children. It's not their fault that the minority of adult fans make fucked up Rule 34 art of those shows/characters. If you actually look through Jared's content, he is clearly not aimed at kids, or even young teens. The fact some kids end up watching his stuff is as much his fault as it's Discovery's fault for all the brain bleach inducing fan art of fucking multi-colored ponies from adults.

He was still a grade-A moron for not assuming teens will be teens and lie about their ages to get into porn sites they know they shouldn't go to. If he had insisted on swapping nudes, it should have been between people he actually knew, or could meet in person first. Or at the very fucking least, not using his name and face. I cannot accurately describe the level of stupidity in doing that. But he shouldn't have because he's a public figure, and all it takes is one spurned lunatic fan leaking the nudes to start a dumpster fire, kinda like what ended up happening. Not doing it based on everyone's belief that his audience is mostly kids because Markiplier's or PBG's is is false. Some are, but they aren't his intended target audience.
 
He does a playthrough of a game called Lust For Darkness, which is about infiltrating an explicitly portrayed sex cult that has vagina-shaped portals to an alternate sex dimension that has monsters with penises for heads.

His content is not for children.

Using another's example of MLP and Dora, their target audience is clearly children. The majority of the audience are children. It's not their fault that the minority of adult fans make fucked up Rule 34 art of those shows/characters. If you actually look through Jared's content, he is clearly not aimed at kids, or even young teens. The fact some kids end up watching his stuff is as much his fault as it's Discovery's fault for all the brain bleach inducing fan art of fucking multi-colored ponies from adults.

He was still a grade-A moron for not assuming teens will be teens and lie about their ages to get into porn sites they know they shouldn't go to. If he had insisted on swapping nudes, it should have been between people he actually knew, or could meet in person first. Or at the very fucking least, not using his name and face. I cannot accurately describe the level of stupidity in doing that. But he shouldn't have because he's a public figure, and all it takes is one spurned lunatic fan leaking the nudes to start a dumpster fire, kinda like what ended up happening. Not doing it based on everyone's belief that his audience is mostly kids because Markiplier's or PBG's is is false. Some are, but they aren't his intended target audience.
So we come back full-circle. Jared has diminished freedom of speech/dick sharing privileges than the rest of us, because his face is more recognisable.

Also, assuming the best, that he wasn't indeed targeting/intentionally welcoming kids into his porn blog (I think it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt here, given the lack of any substantial/reliable testimony against him, and the active banning going on), why should he be expected to go any further?

When parents let their loose on the internet and the government provides absolutely no support to adults trying to keep kids out, why is it that we're dumping the responsibility for age-gating onto blog/site owners? I think they should be expected to do everything in their power (within reason), to keep kids out, but when that doesn't suffice, they should be absolved of responsibility (and I believe they are legally speaking, but I'm not a lawyer). At some point you need to say "ok dude, you've done all you can barring limiting your own rights to freedom of expression, good job, maybe we ought to demand the government come up with some technological solution, and shift blame to parents".

The internet is a wasteland and handing out unlimited access to it, is like strapping a pip-boy to your kid's wrist and telling him to go out and do whatever he wants.

Just because Jared is a quasi-celebrity and porn is for some arbitrary reason, socially unacceptable, doesn't mean he should be held responsible. I agree with you that running a porn blog as someone who profits from popularity is stupid and bad for business, as a lot of people want to act as though the world is populated by virgins and kids are flown in by Stork Express, but that doesn't mean that what he did is ethically wrong.

As for the membership - I really don't care if the community was made up of fans or strangers, so long as he wasn't bartering special privileges for sex/nudes. No one would bat an eyelid if someone said "I joined his Twitch community because we slept together and I love his monster dong". Transitioning from fling to fan, is equivalent to transitioning from fan to fling, at least in my view and where consenting adults are concerned. If a person has an issue where they develop celebrity crushes and can't stop themselves wanting to get as close as possible to some celebrity they've never met...that sounds to be like some sort of psychological addiction (disclaimer: not a psychologist), and maybe something to take up with a therapist. We should all be mindful of people with psychological issues and be as respectful and supportive as we can. We should certainly not purposefully take advantage of someone with issues (i.e. gambling addict, sex addict, etc), but we are also not responsible for their destructive behaviour.
 
So we come back full-circle. Jared has diminished freedom of speech/dick sharing privileges than the rest of us, because his face is more recognisable.

Also, assuming the best, that he wasn't indeed targeting/intentionally welcoming kids into his porn blog (I think it's fair to give him the benefit of the doubt here, given the lack of any substantial/reliable testimony against him, and the active banning going on), why should he be expected to go any further?

When parents let their loose on the internet and the government provides absolutely no support to adults trying to keep kids out, why is it that we're dumping the responsibility for age-gating onto blog/site owners? I think they should be expected to do everything in their power (within reason), to keep kids out, but when that doesn't suffice, they should be absolved of responsibility (and I believe they are legally speaking, but I'm not a lawyer). At some point you need to say "ok dude, you've done all you can barring limiting your own rights to freedom of expression, good job, maybe we ought to demand the government come up with some technological solution, and shift blame to parents".

The internet is a wasteland and handing out unlimited access to it, is like strapping a pip-boy to your kid's wrist and telling him to go out and do whatever he wants.

Just because Jared is a quasi-celebrity and porn is for some arbitrary reason, socially unacceptable, doesn't mean he should be held responsible. I agree with you that running a porn blog as someone who profits from popularity is stupid and bad for business, as a lot of people want to act as though the world is populated by virgins and kids are flown in by Stork Express, but that doesn't mean that what he did is ethically wrong.

As for the membership - I really don't care if the community was made up of fans or strangers, so long as he wasn't bartering special privileges for sex/nudes. No one would bat an eyelid if someone said "I joined his Twitch community because we slept together and I love his monster dong". Transitioning from fling to fan, is equivalent to transitioning from fan to fling, at least in my view and where consenting adults are concerned. If a person has an issue where they develop celebrity crushes and can't stop themselves wanting to get as close as possible to some celebrity they've never met...that sounds to be like some sort of psychological addiction (disclaimer: not a psychologist), and maybe something to take up with a therapist. We should all be mindful of people with psychological issues and be as respectful and supportive as we can. We should certainly not purposefully take advantage of someone with issues (i.e. gambling addict, sex addict, etc), but we are also not responsible for their destructive behaviour.

Calm your tits. I never said anything about ethics or morality. I brought up common fucking sense. Yes, because he is semi-well known, he should not, under any circumstance, attach his name and face, much less his dick, to anything that can and will cause a scandal. It was always only a matter of time before this blew up, and it is extreme arrogance to believe otherwise. Had it not been a vindictive ex and a pair of attention-seeking teens who had done it, it'd been a bunny boiling fan pissed she was rejected from a relationship with Jared.

This has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with not doing something damaging to his reputation and brand so he doesn't lose his job. He could have his sex blog all he wants, but using his name and face guaranteed this wouldn't end any other way.

I don't think morally or ethically there was anything wrong with his blog, but it was still stupid to use his face and name. You can hate that all you want, but it was stupid.
 
Sending people nudes is asking for it period (you can disagree all you want) but sending them with your name, face, and brand attached, in essentially the name of your brand, is really the equivalent of donning the famed Lady Gaga meat dress and jumping in a lion enclosure at the zoo.
 
So he did a sponsor deal with Nickolodeon, which wasn't even posted on his own youtube, how many years ago? 6? 7? and that means all of his content is aimed at kids in your eyes?
That was actually his cameo on some Nick TV sitcom created by famed producer and preteen foot conneseur, Dan Schneider.
 
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