DarksydePhil / TheyCallMeDSP / Phil Burnell - General Discussion

[Prince Lotor]

Don't know Boogie at all but seeing him bitch about making like $500 for a ten minute video really opened my eyes at how much money must have been being thrown at content creators including Phil. Phi makes high 5 figures to low 6 figures a year which he calls "barely hanging on" think of how much he must have been making for him to acknowledge it was a disgusting amount Machinima paid him. I don't blame them for accepting that kind of cash but I also don't have sympathy that the gravy train is slowing down especially if they expect it.

You can look into it yourself if you're interested, but the Machinima of 2012 that Phil signed onto a partner contract with was a highly predatory network that used to sign people's channels up 'in perpetuity' (forever) with no option to leave, by the time Phil was signing on it was usually 3 to 7 year contracts. They always signed people up for a $2 per 1,000 views contract ($2CPM), while the company itself would pocket all the rest of the ad revenue and generally do fuck all to benefit their partners. As long as you didn't make a stink and didn't mind the shitty terms there was generally no issue. It was actually Pigroach luck again when they let him go for being annoying.

I'll try to make an estimated breakdown here for you. By January 2017 Phil's DSPGayming channel had 378 million views, that channel was created April 15th 2010 and not partnered whil Machinima until 2012 so I'll call that 20 months of views with no revenue out of the 80 months between the creation date and January 2017, 378 million views ÷ 80 months = 4.725 million views per month averaged, 4.725 million views per month × 60 months × $2CPM = $567,000 over 5 years or $113,400 per year. . .depending on how his actual views distribution fluctuated through this time period. . .but you start to get a rough ballpark figure. He likely was making the same amount to maybe a bit more or less due to fluctuating view counts.

This leaves you with the question: Why would Phil refer to the same amount or slightly more income as "they paid me disgusting amounts of money"? At the time Phil's expenses were significant lower: 1 mortgage ($1,300/month), car payment, utilities, regular internet, etc. I've also been told he had some debt he was paying back at the time, though he likely routinely had at least $3,000 to blow on whatever random bullshit he felt like during this time period; then if we fast forward to today where he racked up large amounts of credit card debt expecting to repay based on current income levels and his monthly YouTube views fell by half in 2016(and his paycheck), took on a 2nd mortgage, his baseline expenses have basically doubled, he still seems to spend $1,000+ per month on restaurants/groceries, . . .

Basically piggy is crying because for a few years he used to have more money to spend than he could figure out what to do with, even though he essentially makes slightly less now than he did then. The really funny part to me is that his 2018 YouTube average CPM was the same amount he used to get from his Machinima contract. The thing that changed is his views are like less than 20% of what he was getting. . .because his content is shit and it's arguably much worse and less entertaining since he started streaming on Twitch.

 

[og_eras]

For what is worth, his channel does appear on the search bar when I put a space on between.

Maybe I'm missing something and this is super obvious info and I'm just dumb.

 

[Mike Hunt]

I'm watching the new Snort Burnell video with Mario Maker 2, and I hate to agree with DSP on anything, but it does kind of look like the hitboxes are, if not "incorrect", then incredibly strict on spikes. I haven't played the game myself however - what do you all think?

I play a lot of SMM2, and I can tell you that there's nothing inconsistent about SMM2's engine. The hitboxes for elements stay the same - they have to since level makers who gravitate towards the more punishing kind need those elements to be as consistent as possible so they can design tight levels that rely on precise inputs by players. Look at it this way, if everyone else is happy with the game and Phil complains about the hitboxes, I'm definitely more inclined to believe the streamers who just go about playing the game happily instead of a pasty-skinned manchild who claims to never do anything wrong.

A lot of these YTers very seldom show any appreciation in regards to the value of the money they made on a platform that literally has no barrier to entry. No thought ever goes behind the monumental infrastructure costs and information systems required to enable a platform of this scale. It’s not appreciated; it’s taken for granted.

I think Mr Mekotur said it best when he talked about the inevitable decline of the typical YTer: you better put some of that money aside for that rainy day because it’s inevitably coming. Since most are idiots in the first place, they never do and crash and burn miserably. DSP being a prime example. What makes Phil unique however is that he’s still surviving albeit having a miserable life and a very public decline. He’s just stuck where he is and you can tell he’s super sour about it. What makes a lot of us hate him is the very attitude he displayed during his latest YT rant: he’s learned fucking nothing and refuses to take any sort of responsibility for his downfall. There’s no humility, just resentment about how he was wronged and how it’s all the fault of the very platform that enabled him to get where’s he’s at. Just look at what he said: he made YT money, not the other way around. Stupid motherfucker doesn’t understand he gets paid a portion of the advertising costs and not a portion of the products directly sold through YT’s advertising as tracking such data would be ridiculously difficult and intrusive.

The entitlement that comes with the concept that because he’s created over 40,000 shitty videos means he’s owed success and money is a sight to behold.

Phil has never known real difficulty in his life. No one has really taken him down a peg or two that made him rethink his life and his approach to it. He insulated himself from the world (lives inside a bubble of paranoia and Twitch) and amassed a decent number of idiots to be sycophants that he can act entitled and be validated by the slow-in-da-minds who pay for his continued arrogance. It will be really interesting to see what Phil does when people stop giving him money, but I think he'll die of some health issue at a relatively young age long before those attention-starved autists stop giving him money.

 

[ZehnBoat]

I play a lot of SMM2, and I can tell you that there's nothing inconsistent about SMM2's engine. The hitboxes for elements stay the same - they have to since level makers who gravitate towards the more punishing kind need those elements to be as consistent as possible so they can design tight levels that rely on precise inputs by players. Look at it this way, if everyone else is happy with the game and Phil complains about the hitboxes, I'm definitely more inclined to believe the streamers who just go about playing the game happily instead of a pasty-skinned manchild who claims to never do anything wrong.

every time phil plays a racing game he runs into objects right in front of him
he is legally blind, and watches his TV at a strange angle
add the fact that he expects hitboxes to 1:1 match the object's sprite
and the fact that when phil fails at things he immediately blames everyone but himself
i can't in good faith side with him

 

[actually]

I'll try to make an estimated breakdown here for you. By January 2017 Phil's DSPGayming channel had 378 million views, that channel was created April 15th 2010 and not partnered whil Machinima until 2012 so I'll call that 20 months of views with no revenue out of the 80 months between the creation date and January 2017, 378 million views ÷ 80 months = 4.725 million views per month averaged, 4.725 million views per month × 60 months × $2CPM = $567,000 over 5 years or $113,400 per year. . .depending on how his actual views distribution fluctuated through this time period. . .but you start to get a rough ballpark figure. He likely was making the same amount to maybe a bit more or less due to fluctuating view counts.

This is possible, but his views have tanked by more than 20%. He used to be in the 5M-10M monthly range. It didn't last very long (maybe 1-2 years), but that would qualify him for alot more money than he's making now. Everything else you said regarding his expenses, however, is dead-on accurate, and probably the bigger reason he complains now.

 

[EcksDeeNiceTry]

Considering his constant "Ihavenotimedood!" ranting, I'm wondering how Phil imagines people with regular 9-5 jobs, whom they have to drive to and drive back from, function. I know he lives in his own little delusional world, but how does he imagine PARENTS with 9-5 jobs function? If he is already having a tough time because of his job streaming himself playing videogames from home 6 hours a day... all those "lazy fucking bums" at FromSoftware and all those incompetent engineers working at youtube should be on suicide watch, without exception. Very strange they're not...... must be that they don't have any of the hardships Phil is facing in his life, like having to shower and calculate 99+12...

 

[samovski]

Considering his constant "Ihavenotimedood!" ranting, I'm wondering how Phil imagines people with regular 9-5 jobs, whom they have to drive to and drive back from, function. I know he lives in his own little delusional world, but how does he imagine PARENTS with 9-5 jobs function? If he is already having a tough time because of his job streaming himself playing videogames from home 6 hours a day... all those "lazy fucking bums" at FromSoftware and all those incompetent engineers working at youtube should be on suicide watch, without exception. Very strange they're not...... must be that they don't have any of the hardships Phil is facing in his life, like having to shower and calculate 99+12...

I am curious about his thought process as well. I mean he had a job before, for however long and however (in)competent he was, he had a job. Nowadays he barely looks like he washes, barely leaves the house, and it's not like he's spending time getting presentable in any way. He just throws on a tee and some pants, turns on his camera and console and he's at 'work'. No commute, no shitty colleagues you have to put up with, literally a plug-in and play job.

In what universe doesn't he gave any time for anything? it always comes off like a child who doesn't wanna go out and just wants to stay home and play a game so they make any excuse (guilty of this myself with a few pokemon games from my youth). Hell that is exactly what it is. IDK any other streamer who is this strapped for time, and there's a lot of fucking successful streamers who have far more going on in their schedule with events, meetups and sponsorship responsibilities.

My conclusion; he's a lazy cunt.

 

[Pargon]

I am curious about his thought process as well. I mean he had a job before, for however long and however (in)competent he was, he had a job. Nowadays he barely looks like he washes, barely leaves the house, and it's not like he's spending time getting presentable in any way. He just throws on a tee and some pants, turns on his camera and console and he's at 'work'. No commute, no shitty colleagues you have to put up with, literally a plug-in and play job.

In what universe doesn't he gave any time for anything? it always comes off like a child who doesn't wanna go out and just wants to stay home and play a game so they make any excuse (guilty of this myself with a few pokemon games from my youth). Hell that is exactly what it is. IDK any other streamer who is this strapped for time, and there's a lot of fucking successful streamers who have far more going on in their schedule with events, meetups and sponsorship responsibilities.

My conclusion; he's a lazy cunt.

Even when he had the job at the helicopter plant he wasn't a functional adult, as even back then his parents were coming around once a week to clean his condo and do his laundry for him.

Phil went from being coddled at home, to being a coddled college student, to mommy and daddy picking up after him on their precious weekends. He has never, never been living with even a foot in the real world. Never.

 

[JMR]

Considering his constant "Ihavenotimedood!" ranting, I'm wondering how Phil imagines people with regular 9-5 jobs, whom they have to drive to and drive back from, function. I know he lives in his own little delusional world, but how does he imagine PARENTS with 9-5 jobs function? If he is already having a tough time because of his job streaming himself playing videogames from home 6 hours a day... all those "lazy fucking bums" at FromSoftware and all those incompetent engineers working at youtube should be on suicide watch, without exception. Very strange they're not...... must be that they don't have any of the hardships Phil is facing in his life, like having to shower and calculate 99+12...

He's so self-centered, he just doesn't consider them. Or if they're brought up to help him gain perspective, he'll just demean them, e.g., "King of Suffering".


Phil : "You wouldn't belive the amount of shit I had to do in between streams. I had to do so much stuff. Just running around. No time to sit. Between the end of first stream and the start of this one, I had to make dinner, eat, clean up, take out the trash, and then shower."

Normal person : "Actually, that doesn't sound like a lot for 2+ hours. I had to do all that, but first drive home from work, then pick up the kids and get them cleaned up."

Phil : "Well, good for you. You can be the Travelling King or a Time Lord or something. GTFO."

LIMB

 

[Mask_de_SMITH]

So, I just listened to DSP's latest rant about YT...

You know, it's really hard for Phil to get to me because I consider him such a failure, he's usually my go-to when I'm feeling down to watch a few detractor videos, laugh at the absurd, ignorant shit he says and tell myself I'm glad I'm not DSP. It could always be worse.

But holy fuck, this latest rant really, really pissed me off. What an ungrateful fucking cunt. What a goddamn sourpuss. What a fucking piece of shit. He's the definition of a loser. If there ever were pictures associated with the definition of words in the dictionary, DSP's picture should appear next to the word loser.

Phil is so unappreciative of a platform that enabled to become who he is, the level of dissonance is unbelievable. He's also completely unaware of the technical ingenuity, saviness, and marvel that goes into enabling hundreds of millions of videos instantly, at the tip of your finger, without any cost associated to it. I've worked for companies associated with YT. Some of the smartest people I've ever met were on the same information systems team where we designed big data systems to enable the data load and handling for millions of people.

To see the work I've done to be shat on by this ignorant fucking cunt really pissed me off. I don't mind when he stays in his lane and is sour about things he doesn't know about. But if you start insulting where I have expertise, it's personal. Fuck him. Fuck him and everything he stands for.

See, that's what I hate most about Phil. He constantly bitches about YouTube and Google being useless, never helping him, and not worth the money, but he's all but happy to reap any and all benefits it gives him, so long as it caters to his greed. Had it not been for YouTube, he'd be out of a job, living in in condo still, unable to go to PAX, unable to buy his house, unable to stream when he left Twitch, and unable to claim his "accident" videos.

Phil likes to brag that "YouTube isn't giving him enough money" while insulting the people who run it. If he hates YouTube so fucking much, why doesn't he just leave? Why not just say "fuck it, I'm gonna do Twitch full time, fuck YouTube"? It's because he still receives monthly payments from YouTube, which no doubt is used to fuel is destructive life of excess. He still gets money from ad revenue, menial or otherwise, and if he can't stream on Twitch, he can stream on YouTube. YouTube literally hooks him up more than anyone else on that platform, and he has the audacity to bite the hand that feeds him. It's ungrateful and pathetic.

If he has so many grievances against YouTube, Google, and the way the people run it, then he should be a man, get some fucking balls, and tell YouTube himself, instead of shouting at nothing while hiding away in his hugbox. But he won't, because Phil is a dickless coward who is, in reality, afraid of both YouTube and Google because, at any time, they can say "yeah, fuck you too, Phil" and take his channel away.

He's the gout-ridden version of an annoying puppy that likes to bark at anyone that passes by knowing that it'll turn tail and run the minute its owner steps up, because it knows at anytime that owner can get pissed at it enough to kick it across the room. This is honestly Phil at his most ungrateful, and it will be the purest, most hilarious example of comeuppance when his world comes crashing down because of his own arrogance. And we'll all be here laughing when that time comes.

 

[HerrKlicks]

DSP, in a roundabout way, just admitted that his house is a 250k lemon.
He took a bait cheer over "what would you do if you had unlimited funds to improve your studio" to talk about how his house, according to a heating/air con guy, is 'set up wrong' for central air.

WHY DO I HOLD ALL THE LEMONS?

 

[PinkRibbonScars]

I play a lot of SMM2, and I can tell you that there's nothing inconsistent about SMM2's engine. The hitboxes for elements stay the same - they have to since level makers who gravitate towards the more punishing kind need those elements to be as consistent as possible so they can design tight levels that rely on precise inputs by players. Look at it this way, if everyone else is happy with the game and Phil complains about the hitboxes, I'm definitely more inclined to believe the streamers who just go about playing the game happily instead of a pasty-skinned manchild who claims to never do anything wrong.

Not sure in what context Phil is whining about the hitboxes, but there's definitely a different between SMM1 and SMM2s hitboxes, especially the spikes. You could practically stand on the edge of spikes in SMM1, while in 2 the hitboxes are like 2 pixels beyond the sprite.

 

[jdoe2]

He's bitching yet again about how hot is in his office and has to turn the AC on

He was bitching about how his room can nearly reach 100 degrees

Does he keep all his stuff running 24/7 and his door and window closed or something?

Because otherwise I seriously can't see how hot can it be in his fucking room while it's 63 degrees outside (actually even colder since he doesn't even live in Seattle)


Fucking baby.

 

[EcksDeeNiceTry]

He's bitching yet again about how hot is in his office and has to turn the AC on

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He was bitching about how his room can nearly reach 100 degrees

Does he keep all his stuff running 24/7 and his door and window closed or something?

Because otherwise I seriously can't see how hot can it be in his fucking room while it's 63 degrees outside (actually even colder since he doesn't even live in Seattle)


Fucking baby.

You're omitting the several layers of body fat/digested Angus Burgers.

 

[Mr.PiggyOinkOink]

Man I know I’m a few days late but I can’t stop rewatching that rant he went on about YouTube, it’s been a hot minute since he spouted off such entitled nonsense.

He’s legit salty that YouTube’s ad money has declined and they’ve never listened to the content creators and have ruined people’s lives. While he’s got a decent point and isn’t exactly wrong, he forgets YouTube can ultimately make whatever dumb ass decisions they want. They could’ve just said fuck it and shut the site down years ago and there’s nothing a content creator can do about it.

He talks like YouTube owes so much to the content creators like it’s some mutual relationship when in reality it’s not. It’s still people willingly choosing to put their shit on YouTube. He talks about how it’s the Wild West of the Internet...he basically is salty a company can do whatever they want with their own site and he “has” to play by their rules when using it. He acts like because he uploads there and makes money he matters, and they can’t just do whatever they want, sorry dark that’s like any other job, when you’re one of thousands of cogs in a machine you’re completely expendable.

And then he brings up how nobody has stepped up to replace YouTube...like okay dood, do you even realize the weight of the actions you want some other company to take? How is a company going to come up overnight and replace YouTube, where are they magically going to get funds to pay creators and make it worth their wild to leave YouTube? And who’s to say they won’t run into the same issues YouTube had? If the site reached YouTubes level they couldn’t manual check over videos, they would get buzz articles made about them every time a content created did something dumb and probably cost them adds.

Like news flash dark, there’s other sites you can already put your garbage on, you don’t want to because you make your YouTube shekels still, how is company supposed to magically rival YouTube when so many creators like you aren’t willing to take a hit and move sites, it’s just madness.

There’s also the fact that he straight up says he doesn’t give a fuck what kinda dumb ass shit twitch is doing because it doesn’t currently affect him, and it’s hard to take him seriously. He’s basically the worst kinda person, he doesn’t really care about the issues he’s talking about beyond it hurting him. we all know if he was still making big YouTube bucks these kinda rants wouldn’t exist, that site could be on fucking fire but as long as dark still somehow cheated the system he be sittin pretty.

 

[Mike Hunt]

Not sure in what context Phil is whining about the hitboxes, but there's definitely a different between SMM1 and SMM2s hitboxes, especially the spikes. You could practically stand on the edge of spikes in SMM1, while in 2 the hitboxes are like 2 pixels beyond the sprite.

I will admit to never having played SMM1, so I’ll defer to what you mention about SMM1 and SMM2. That said, I think a gamer (especially a streamer who claims he never did anything wrong and pressed the button, dood) who spends hours playing a game is expected to at least adjust accordingly to how the game behaves, not that I think Phil even has memories of SMM1 to rely on for muscle memory.

 

[ZehnBoat]

He talks like YouTube owes so much to the content creators like it’s some mutual relationship when in reality it’s not. It’s still people willingly choosing to put their shit on YouTube.

well i mean, when you're a company, and people use your stuff over the others. you do kind of owe it to them to keep them coming back
and when people give you stuff that increase the amount of customers it is a good idea to be nice ot them

that being said

in this day and age (as opposed to over a decade ago)
what does phil bring? there are tons of other people who play video games and upload the footage, who do show off skill or knowledge of the game. phil's only claim is "he did it first" and that means nothing NOW
let's play has moved on
you're either charismatic, smart, or really good at the game
phil hardly talks, and when he does he just bitches or goes "LOOK THEREs [ OBJECT]" over and over
phil knows nothing about game mechanics
and phil basically just runs at the brick wall of difficulty and hopes he makes a hole

he's got nothing

 

[PinkRibbonScars]

I will admit to never having played SMM1, so I’ll defer to what you mention about SMM1 and SMM2. That said, I think a gamer (especially a streamer who claims he never did anything wrong and pressed the button, dood) who spends hours playing a game is expected to at least adjust accordingly to how the game behaves, not that I think Phil even has memories of SMM1 to rely on for muscle memory.

I doubt Phil's even aware of the differences in hitboxes, I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt, since there is some validity to his claims

 

[ZehnBoat]

I doubt Phil's even aware of the differences in hitboxes, I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt, since there is some validity to his claims

i thought phil claimed that the hitbox moved, not that it just got bigger

 

[actually]

Not sure in what context Phil is whining about the hitboxes, but there's definitely a different between SMM1 and SMM2s hitboxes, especially the spikes. You could practically stand on the edge of spikes in SMM1, while in 2 the hitboxes are like 2 pixels beyond the sprite.

I doubt Phil's even aware of the differences in hitboxes, I'm just giving him the benefit of the doubt, since there is some validity to his claims

i thought phil claimed that the hitbox moved, not that it just got bigger

@ZehnBoat is right--that was one of his complaints. He alleged that the hitbox changed sizes with the spike animation. More hilariously, though, he REEEEE'd and declared that the hitbox was totally different from Super Mario Brothers 1. He even went so far as to berate someone who challenged by asking whether they had played SMB1, so it wasn't (as far as I can tell) a mistake saying it instead of, say, SMM1. As far as I both remember and can find on the internet, there weren't any spike hazards in SMB1, so he was just lying / making an appeal to old man authority.

He also made the "impossible" between-spike jump a few times, further driving home the point that the spike hitboxes were fine and he was just not lined up exactly right.