Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

What do you all think? I'm not exactly well-versed in the legal mumbo regarding this, but was FOX actually getting anything from Disney and did they have control over anything else? Was Disney really so greedy as to delete everything that came before them just to keep all the profits for themselves?
I think the likenesses of Disney OC actors cost Disney exponentially less to license. Maybe they could have skirted it by only selling the OT characters who don't have actor faces, but it would have been really obvious. I also wouldn't be surprised if Disney was trying to create a legal firewall between their own shitty IP and real Star Wars, so that they can retain the rights to their park features even if they sell Lucasfilm in the future.
 
I think the likenesses of Disney OC actors cost Disney exponentially less to license. Maybe they could have skirted it by only selling the OT characters who don't have actor faces, but it would have been really obvious. I also wouldn't be surprised if Disney was trying to create a legal firewall between their own shitty IP and real Star Wars, so that they can retain the rights to their park features even if they sell Lucasfilm in the future.
I honestly do think Disney would actually continue to retain the park rights to Star Wars if they ever sell Lucasfilm.
 
Something I don't get is that even though the OT characters might cost more to license, wouldn't the sheer value and volume of sales alone more than cancel it out, or am I missing something?

I believe you're right. I'd much rather have 50% of Luke Skywalker than 100% of Rey and BB-8 combined. You have to wonder if they actually imagine that they can eclipse the original cast by making them look bad. Exceptional, but it would explain much.

Or maybe nu-Star Wars and nu-Star Trek is infected with bad fanfic authors. The whole "Here's my new character and look she's so much cooler than those nasty canonical characters and don't you just love them?" attitude they appear to have just reeks of it.

Funny how both roads lead to the same unwashed outhouse.
 
I believe you're right. I'd much rather have 50% of Luke Skywalker than 100% of Rey and BB-8 combined. You have to wonder if they actually imagine that they can eclipse the original cast by making them look bad. Exceptional, but it would explain much.

Though with that explanation, you get to the problem where you can ruin the entire health of the brand by trying to gut out the core to attempt to get more potential pennies. I mean as far as the movies go, for the most part the Disney Star Wars films have made good money barring Solo, but the real value of the merchandising has been extremely damaged by debasing the Original Characters along with the new characters not being something a child or a collector would want to play with or collect.

Seriously, for these films that are supposed to be for families with children and adults alike, how hard is it to ask oneself, "Would a child really want to play with these characters or act out these scenes?"
 
To answer the question, though, it seems unlikely given what a terrible job they did with the resources they were given. This isn't a case where you needed to hire someone with a vision; they could grab any seven Wookieepedia editors and have a committee that could walk them through creating the most fanservicy park experience ever made. The problem is that no matter how good the material and concepts are, it's all going to be boiled down to bland homogenized corporate slop made to sell cheap toys at a ridiculous markup.

tl;dr: Disney Wars is to creativity what British cooking is to cuisine.
If r/starwarsleaks, r/saltierthancrait and Wookieepedia itself are to be believed, there actually are Wookieepedos working at the park as Imagineers and at least one or two as clerks. According to Galaxy's Edge concept info, several Imagineers traveled to places like Morocco, Israel and other middle eastern/desert cities and towns, which suggests that maybe at one point the park was going to be Tatooine (although later interviews have them claim that they only did this to mimic the style of Ralph McQuarrie), and according to some possible imagineers posting on reddit (I'm willing to believe a few of these a little since info they posted before the park's release matches up well with what I've seen) they originally wanted the park to be OT and EU focused with Tatooine as the basis, hence the cancelled Bantha project, Smuggler's alley (I'll get to that in a bit) and all the moisture vaporators around despite not being a desert planet, but according to a Disney employee, Lucasfilm and Disney enforced a "sequel-only" restriction, which would explain why so many initial ideas went unused. One noticeable sign of Wookieepedos and Imagineers having any sort of creative freedom at the park is some of the lore you can get from employees regarding less important items and food which mostly comes from the OT, PT and the old EU mixed in with only a few elements of Disney's stuff, with the exception of character's like Oga and a few other exceptions who are strictly sequel-only. There were also a lot of non-imagineer Disney employees posting negative critiques of the park during the pre-opening day since they were given exclusive pre-opening tickets, so that shows there is definitely some tension going on between the employees and the higher ups.

Also in regards to canon/lore, since the FOX merger, there's been a few odd changes in Lucasfilm's shitty story decision making, for one thing they announced the first piece of Legends media in years in the form of a comic and then they announced that the next trilogy would be a KOTOR-based series despite originally saying it would be completely original and set in a different part of the universe back when it was Rian's trilogy. Is Disney-Lucasfilm getting desperate for fanservice here or did FOX really own part of the rights to these old-canon elements?

Breaking news lads, apparently several sites and tubers are claiming and showing that Galaxy's Edge is very underpopulated or full on lifeless during the day despite this being its opening week during summer. The only time the park is seeing any traffic is at around sunset or at night but even then it ranges from populated to only moderately crowded depending on the day with the only real crowd magnet where people gather being the Falcon. Others are reporting that Disneyland attendance is also low because of GE despite that GE is low too during the day. But the main issue of note is that the supposedly long lines and cues they had set up for entering the park are completely empty so its easy as fuck to get into the park, and even when the streets are crowded the lines for the "attractions" move incredibly fast. Apparently this has also caused some of the restrictions regarding the 4 hour limit in the park to no longer be enforced despite no mention of it being revoked.

(this video shows the opposite, with the day being full but night being empty)
So what the fuck is going on you may ask? Could this be a sign that the park is failing to meet expectations or signs of something bigger? People being turned off by the long lines on day 1, line cutting, the expensive prices, or the very low amount of merchandise there's never enough of? Who can say, but my associate is still at that shit hole so I'll contact him and see if he can send me any pictures of his own during day and night for comparison.
 
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Breaking news lads, apparently several sites and tubers are claiming and showing that Galaxy's Edge is very underpopulated or full on lifeless during the day despite this being its opening week during summer. The only time the park is seeing any traffic is at around sunset or at night but even then it ranges from populated to only moderately crowded depending on the day with the only real crowd magnet where people gather being the Falcon. Others are reporting that Disneyland attendance is also low because of GE despite that GE is low too during the day.

So what the fuck is going on you may ask? Could this be a sign that the park is failing to meet expectations or signs of something bigger? People being turned off by the long lines on day 1, line cutting, the expensive prices, or the very low amount of merchandise there's never enough of? Who can say, but my associate is still at that shit hole so I'll contact him and see if he can send me any pictures of his own during day and night for comparison.
But they can't shovel people on Hagrid's Surprisingly Crap-Looking Unicorn Coaster fast enough over at Universal, lol
 
I think the likenesses of Disney OC actors cost Disney exponentially less to license. Maybe they could have skirted it by only selling the OT characters who don't have actor faces, but it would have been really obvious. I also wouldn't be surprised if Disney was trying to create a legal firewall between their own shitty IP and real Star Wars, so that they can retain the rights to their park features even if they sell Lucasfilm in the future.
What makes me curious is the rights situation with the Prequels. Prequel Obi-Wan is iconic in his own right, plus you have Darth Maul, clone troopers, droids, and a bunch of other very recognizable shit that quality of the films aside, are proven to sell merchandise. So wouldn't it make more sense to have more Prequel stuff there? There's a hell of a lot of well-received media set in that era, plus it's very nostalgic for the people who grew up with that. Though I guess if the Prequels have the same rights fuckery the OT does it makes sense not to have it there.
 
Also in regards to canon/lore, since the FOX merger, there's been a few odd changes in Lucasfilm's shitty story decision making, for one thing they announced the first piece of Legends media in years in the form of a comic and then they announced that the next trilogy would be a KOTOR-based series despite originally saying it would be completely original and set in a different part of the universe back when it was Rian's trilogy. Is Disney-Lucasfilm getting desperate for fanservice here or did FOX really own part of the rights to these old-canon elements?
Can I just say that I'm fucking dreading Disney's Old Republic films. Because you know they'll butcher KOTOR/TOR so bad.
At best it'll be MCU/Rogue One tier passable. At worst...Well we all know what Disney's worst looks like.
Being written by the people who fucked up GOT is just icing on the cake.
Oh and I'm sure it'll be filled with obnoxious "Remember this you big fucking nerds!" fanservice. All the Nerd Culture Deep Lore shills channels will have a field day. :drink:
 
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What makes me curious is the rights situation with the Prequels. Prequel Obi-Wan is iconic in his own right, plus you have Darth Maul, clone troopers, droids, and a bunch of other very recognizable shit that quality of the films aside, are proven to sell merchandise. So wouldn't it make more sense to have more Prequel stuff there? There's a hell of a lot of well-received media set in that era, plus it's very nostalgic for the people who grew up with that. Though I guess if the Prequels have the same rights fuckery the OT does it makes sense not to have it there.
I don't buy into the whole "Disney has some arcane clause in their contract over Lucas's characters" idea. I believe more in the "Disney doesn't want their Mary Sues upstaged by the actual fun, interesting characters of the PT and OT" suggestion, since it's more likely, simpler, and even more disgusting.
 
I dunno, I want to believe that a million dollar company has enough common sense to not ditch these incredibly marketable, profitable characters purely out of spite. It's just such a bizarre thing to do.
 
I dunno, I want to believe that a million dollar company has enough common sense to not ditch these incredibly marketable, profitable characters purely out of spite. It's just such a bizarre thing to do.

Then again, this era has proven that spite and petty greed is more of a driving factor more than simple long term brand viability.
 
I dunno, I want to believe that a million dollar company has enough common sense to not ditch these incredibly marketable, profitable characters purely out of spite. It's just such a bizarre thing to do.
This is the era where companies would rather go bankrupt than make money for a political statement. Or in this case, out of pride because of the anger of their product not selling manchild toys.
 
Then again, this era has proven that spite and petty greed is more of a driving factor more than simple long term brand viability.
I could believe that at first, but recently it seems like Disney is trying to bring back more of the older stuff. Years of disappointment at the box office (TLJ underperforming by at least 100-200 million, Solo bombing) and even worse results with the comics and toys combined with what's actually selling (like the Darth Vader comic) has to be getting their attention, that's why Solo had a lot of random references to the old EU and Prequels when it wasn't putting in Chuck Wendig shit like that instrument and why they're going for a KOTOR trilogy and even making new stuff in the Legends timeline again. I think you're seeing evidence of some serious behind the scenes conflict on this matter (among many others). I hope some of drama spills out publically or otherwise Star Wars gets run into the ground with some major flops like Episode IX and this park because I'd love to go read a book on this shit.
 
I wanna know Russia's secrets to Disney being unable to sell a fucking theme park.
 
I could believe that at first, but recently it seems like Disney is trying to bring back more of the older stuff. Years of disappointment at the box office (TLJ underperforming by at least 100-200 million, Solo bombing) and even worse results with the comics and toys combined with what's actually selling (like the Darth Vader comic) has to be getting their attention, that's why Solo had a lot of random references to the old EU and Prequels when it wasn't putting in Chuck Wendig shit like that instrument and why they're going for a KOTOR trilogy and even making new stuff in the Legends timeline again. I think you're seeing evidence of some serious behind the scenes conflict on this matter (among many others). I hope some of drama spills out publically or otherwise Star Wars gets run into the ground with some major flops like Episode IX and this park because I'd love to go read a book on this shit.
There's definitely some suspicious drama going on behind the scenes judging from all the supposed employee and imagineer critiques over at Reddit (which seem trustworthy since a lot of the shit they claimed early on turned out to be true) which complain about canon restrictions, timeline restrictions, character restrictions, deadlines and other nonsensical shit that limited their freedom which was only made more odd by the incredibly baffling rule that the park had to be something completely original, and because of that Galaxy's Edge will never be on par with Harry Potter land. But I doubt anyone will be that eager to publicly spill the beans any time soon lest they face the wrath of the Disney company.

Anyway I got in contact with my friend at the park, and in regards to the park's lack of people, he simply told me "wasn't it obvious?" based on the pictures he sent me, which I replied with "I assumed it was because you got reservations and the annual pass", but then he was more specific and said that apparently more people were expected with reservations as many cues were set up but none of them were filled as they had expected, at least until several weeks later but even then the longest lines were only for the falcon ride and the lightsaber shop. And the main cues outside the park didn't really fill up until the grand opening for non-reservation visitors a few days ago, but even the fill-up on those cues was short lived. Here are some pics he took the other day of some empty streets and the line in front of Kat's Kettle which are all completely empty.
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He says he'll try and get some more if he "feels like it", mentioning that the park is filled with too many "no fun allowed types". That the only real fun spot at the park where all the fans gather is in front of the Millennium Falcon, but even then they feel pretty restricted.

He also told me something slightly more interesting. He said that he checked the park from top to bottom and that there's not only a severe lack of Luke, Han and Lando merch, but that even Poe Demoron barely gets anything, with the only things bearing his image are a pin and a keychain, and that merch relating to him is limited to a replica of his helmet and a miniature of his nu-x-wing. He and Finn also don't appear as meet&greets at the park, only Rey, with Vi Moradi seemingly replacing both.
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She has been described as the "female Poe"... and Disney has no plans of having Finn and Poe as meet&greets in the future, claiming that their appearance will be limited to the upcoming Resistance ride in videos. And while Finn does get an actual doll (the one I posted before) that's pretty much all he gets at the park. I don't even like Poe and Finn, but I have to ask why aren't they here then? I thought Disney wanted their nu-characters to dominate every corner? Because of this, the only meet&greets are Rey, Chewbacca, Kylo Ren, BB-8, the nu-troopers and Vi Moradi. So why are Poe and Finn getting the shaft?
 
Even where actual children would go (but not really) they're not even trying to hide the disdain for male participating characters in-person.

Simply put the best timeline.
 
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