Debate the Ethics of Vic Mignogna - TARD FIGHT

[mindlessobserver]

I was hoping my first thread would be something more fun, like a waifu war or least favorite anime,

This isnt really an anime board. If there is an actual topic to the farms its cataloguing and laughing at internet drama and the people who cause it. If you have an afternoon and a 6 pack of beer, you should read the OP of the general thread at the top of this sub forum. It's generally up to date.

 

[BrandedEagle]

@Varisi na Vienea Cadence Here's my two cents. Apologizing for maybe being offensive, seeing a therapist, and then suing are all completely rational things.
It's entirely possible the therapist got his side of things, mucked around the bullshit, got to the heart of the matter, then basically told him he did nothing wrong. Vic realizing he's right and hearing from this other lawyer that he knows a guy decided to try to use the law to get his life back. A dumb idea? perhaps but thanks to the heartless horde known as kickvic what choice does he have?

the other side is this: this will send a clear message. if you don't have evidence, fuck off. we live in a land where everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty and if you don't like that fuck off to commie countries like north korea or china. no one will miss you beyond a few specks who ultimately don't matter because their opinions and ethics are shit.

further: this will force the anime industry to wise up to a single certain reality that they desperately needed: real life isn't twitter. that should be obvious, but to certain people it isn't. this is a brutal wake up call.

even further: the american anime industry is not self-sufficient. it is wholly dependant on the japanese branch and I know for a fact that when the lawsuit dies down, regardless of how it goes, certain studios are fucked because certain companies don't want their brands anywhere near this controversy. One producer in particular is pissed vic was attacked.


in short: take your ethics discussion and shove it. Vic has been a saint. if he really wanted to end them? accuse them of fabricating evidence in court and let the reputational harm from that make them literally unemployable in any field beyond cashiering at starfucks. He isn't so yeah.

 

[UA 674]

I don't get why people would stand for someone like Vic, he did apologize and said he was going to seek counseling and God but then a few weeks later said he was going to try to salvage his career in the industry, making his apology seem half hearted.

What the hell is this shit? Don't post about shit when you have no fucking idea what you're talking about. We already have @Shane_Yes_That_One for that, you autist.

 

[MildlyAmused]

@Varisi na Vienea Cadence Playing dumb and coy. You're clearly an anti-vic'er. Which is fine I guess....to each their own opinion. I'm not an SJW insisting everyone believe me and hold the same opinion. What is more annoying is that you're pretending to be someone you're not. Pretending you don't know anything about twitter or all details of this smear campaign... Whatever floats your little fake autistic boat. You're probably Shane's child-bride, or some other poor cuck those idiots goaded into joining. We will be watching for the red flags like smilies or lies "i got sented these C & D's cuz i'm sooper importent"

Imagine if you hugged a squealing fan (i know it's hard because you aren't important and will never have fans) and they oooh'd and ahhh'd and then 11 years later claimed you sexually assaulted them. Probably because over the past 11 years their brains have been fried after switching sexual identities 32 times and using Twitter as their sole way to socialize with the world and didn't realize most people are still outside of their homes hugging and touching and shaking hands....which psssst....isn't sexual assault

 

[ShinyStar]

It is a sad and pathetic commentary on modern society how these anti-Viccers don't understand hugs. They think that hugs are necessarily sexual and that they are inappropriate for casual social interaction. How damaged do you have to be to believe that?

Hugs express a variety of things - excitement, affection, solace. They are a basic element of human bonding, they fulfill a need humans have to have social connections and interact on an emotional level with other human beings. Humans need to be touched by other humans; this is scientifically proven. You don't touch a baby, even if that baby is receiving all the other things that it needs, that baby dies. It is beneficial to Vics fans that he is willing to hug them. It doesn't communicate that he wants power over them, it doesn't communicate that he wants to do anything sexual with them, it communicates that he accepts them, that he is happy to see them, that he can sense their positive emotions toward him and that he returns those positive emotions.

TL;DR - Hugs are a healthy and positive part of human social interaction. For all those that don't understand this, I'm sorry that your parents didn't hug you enough when you were a kid.

 

[Superman93]

It is a sad and pathetic commentary on modern society how these anti-Viccers don't understand hugs. They think that hugs are necessarily sexual and that they are inappropriate for casual social interaction. How damaged do you have to be to believe that?

Hugs express a variety of things - excitement, affection, solace. They are a basic element of human bonding, they fulfill a need humans have to have social connections and interact on an emotional level with other human beings. Humans need to be touched by other humans; this is scientifically proven. You don't touch a baby, even if that baby is receiving all the other things that it needs, that baby dies. It is beneficial to Vics fans that he is willing to hug them. It doesn't communicate that he wants power over them, it doesn't communicate that he wants to do anything sexual with them, it communicates that he accepts them, that he is happy to see them, that he can sense their positive emotions toward him and that he returns those positive emotions.

TL;DR - Hugs are a healthy and positive part of human social interaction. For all those that don't understand this, I'm sorry that your parents didn't hug you enough when you were a kid.

Nigga you sound gay as hell

 

[indianshedevil]

Is it really poaching if they decided to do their best Khmer Rogue impression and murder all the smart people?

I'm pretty sure it's another way of us saying we manage to have taken the former users of PULL, so we place them in here and make them feel they are welcomed here.

 

[MildlyAmused]

It is a sad and pathetic commentary on modern society how these anti-Viccers don't understand hugs. They think that hugs are necessarily sexual and that they are inappropriate for casual social interaction. How damaged do you have to be to believe that?

Hugs express a variety of things - excitement, affection, solace. They are a basic element of human bonding, they fulfill a need humans have to have social connections and interact on an emotional level with other human beings. Humans need to be touched by other humans; this is scientifically proven. You don't touch a baby, even if that baby is receiving all the other things that it needs, that baby dies. It is beneficial to Vics fans that he is willing to hug them. It doesn't communicate that he wants power over them, it doesn't communicate that he wants to do anything sexual with them, it communicates that he accepts them, that he is happy to see them, that he can sense their positive emotions toward him and that he returns those positive emotions.

TL;DR - Hugs are a healthy and positive part of human social interaction. For all those that don't understand this, I'm sorry that your parents didn't hug you enough when you were a kid.

Couldn't agree more with you! Have such fear for future generations. I remember we used to teach kids "Good Touch, Bad Touch" and "Stranger Danger". Now they have to implement "Any Touch is Bad Touch" and "Everyone Is Out To Defile You". Imagine 40 years from now if these SJWs are allowed to continue their bullshit. Everyone sitting inside with latex gloves and bubble wrap getting their only socialization from a computer screen where you can't see body language, use social cues or listen for tone and inflection so you just squabble and misunderstand and are angry. Your only touch and interaction with another living thing coming from your therapy animal that is so over you he's going to eat your face the next time you lay down for a nap.

 

[AnOminous]

It is a sad and pathetic commentary on modern society how these anti-Viccers don't understand hugs. They think that hugs are necessarily sexual and that they are inappropriate for casual social interaction. How damaged do you have to be to believe that?

They're like those monkeys in that cruel psychology experiment where they separated them from their mothers and gave them a wire doll for a "mother." The monkeys end up pathetic social wrecks who are afraid of everything, reclusive and can't get sexual partners.

 

[Seraphic_Vishnal]

If the rumors of the shakening is to be believed they are escalating or attempting to. They are treading on dangerous ground to even entertain the notion of assaulting Vic even if it is with a frozen beverage. But that's what these assholes do. They intimidate, emasculate, lie, and when that doesn't work they resort to violence. It's in their manifesto. I'm reminded of what happened to JDF at Comiccon some crazy assmonkey tried to bring in firearms just to take out the object of his obsession, and security nabbed him at the door. Found out that he had half an arsenal in his car after a precusory search. I'm not afraid of spergs. I am afraid of spergs who have a considerable bone to pick with actors(for reasons unknown to all including themselves) that would go to those extremes just to make a statement.

 

[Varisi na Vienea Cadence]

@Varisi na Vienea Cadence Here's my two cents. Apologizing for maybe being offensive, seeing a therapist, and then suing are all completely rational things.
It's entirely possible the therapist got his side of things, mucked around the bullshit, got to the heart of the matter, then basically told him he did nothing wrong. Vic realizing he's right and hearing from this other lawyer that he knows a guy decided to try to use the law to get his life back. A dumb idea? perhaps but thanks to the heartless horde known as kickvic what choice does he have?

the other side is this: this will send a clear message. if you don't have evidence, fuck off. we live in a land where everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty and if you don't like that fuck off to commie countries like north korea or china. no one will miss you beyond a few specks who ultimately don't matter because their opinions and ethics are shit.

further: this will force the anime industry to wise up to a single certain reality that they desperately needed: real life isn't twitter. that should be obvious, but to certain people it isn't. this is a brutal wake up call.

even further: the american anime industry is not self-sufficient. it is wholly dependant on the japanese branch and I know for a fact that when the lawsuit dies down, regardless of how it goes, certain studios are fucked because certain companies don't want their brands anywhere near this controversy. One producer in particular is pissed vic was attacked.


in short: take your ethics discussion and shove it. Vic has been a saint. if he really wanted to end them? accuse them of fabricating evidence in court and let the reputational harm from that make them literally unemployable in any field beyond cashiering at starfucks. He isn't so yeah.

Thank you for your insight.

 

[TheClappening]

Unless something is getting penetrated, it ain't sexual harassment. Feelings don't count.

That's sexual assault under Texas law. Sexual harassment has a looser definition.

 

[some_crazy]

he didnt. nick rackets felt bad for vic and knew this legal battle would be costly, so nick started the gofundme. at last check, vic hasnt even touched that money, saving it as a last resort.

I don't think this is entirely right. Nick has told us that the GFM is transferred straight to an IOLTA account held by BHBH and all their billing for Vic is directed to that account. That is to say that Vic is using the GFM to pay for the legal work being done - he's not using it for anything else and he's also not just leaving it in a bank somewhere.

Though you are correct that it was not Vic's idea.

 

[TheClappening]

Right.

Clarification: Hugging is not sexual harassment, period.

Not period, period.

Hugging someone once? It's not.

If someone says they don't want your hugs yet you still continue to hug them, that could be sexual harassment.

It doesn't apply in this case of course, since Vic hugged them once and there's no indication of anyone asking Vic to stop. But just saying.

 

[Tipsy Tea Cup]

Not period, period.

Hugging someone once? It's not.

If someone says they don't want your hugs yet you still continue to hug them, that could be sexual harassment.

It doesn't apply in this case of course, since Vic hugged them once and there's no indication of anyone asking Vic to stop. But just saying.

Harrassment cases usually require the offended party to notify the other party and give them a chance to condemn or retract their statement/actions.

The funny thing about these accusations tho is that they're in a line a few hours long. At some point, they see him hugging his fans over and over and over.

If they're uncomfortable with that, you would think that they would tell him "no hugs" when it's finally their turn.

 

[repentance]

That's sexual assault under Texas law. Sexual harassment has a looser definition.

Vic has been accused of both so they can't hide behind definitions.

 

[BoxofMonkeys]

They're like those monkeys in that cruel psychology experiment where they separated them from their mothers and gave them a wire doll for a "mother." The monkeys end up pathetic social wrecks who are afraid of everything, reclusive and can't get sexual partners.

Makes me wonder if Baby Albert was ever "cured" of the trauma the shrinks put him through.

 

[king of pickles]

One consistent pattern in the last few years was the usage of outrage culture for personal gain/career advancement. Any accusation like that has to be taken with more than just a grain of salt. Moreover, SJWs have been using Facebook and Twitter Court extensively to ruin the lives of their "enemies". Countless people were publicly humiliated and pushed to apologize, which helps as much as cutting your leg when you're surrounded by sharks. Those people are bullies, but in the most coward way. They deserve nothing but ridicule and contempt. Most victims behaved like the SJWs wanted, they basically were lying down and taking it. The Mignogna case is the first higher profile case, where the victim of defamation fought back.

If I remember correctly, Rial's involvement started after ANN and Marzturd started their defamations. Apparently fans messaged her, because she was a friend of Vic. They wanted her to speak up in his defense. Instead she began by proclaiming to "believe victims" and later turned herself into one. She also kinda profited from the whole affair. Always be extra careful when someone who profits from an accusation becomes one of the figureheads. Even the Romans already knew to follow the money ("cui bono").

 

[AnOminous]

I don't think this is entirely right. Nick has told us that the GFM is transferred straight to an IOLTA account held by BHBH and all their billing for Vic is directed to that account. That is to say that Vic is using the GFM to pay for the legal work being done - he's not using it for anything else and he's also not just leaving it in a bank somewhere.

Though you are correct that it was not Vic's idea.

I believe the timeline is this, without times, someone may provide them and there really should be a timeline of all this nonsense.

Nick gets mad and starts talking about this stuff.

At some point, he also talks to Vic and can't really give legal advice but recommends he get legal counsel. That turns out to be BHBH (Nick already knew Ty personally iirc).

Vic retains BHBH and puts down a retainer. This is probably substantial amount of money.

Nick continues to get mad (he's good at that) and decides fuck this, I want to actually do something about it. He creates the GFM.

The next step takes a little while because it is actually fairly legally complicated to set up a GFM if you're a third party and you're raising the money for the use of someone else. Presumably GFM itself had to look into this and probably their lawyers did too, and they went through a fairly complex process of attaching the GFM to the IOLTA (Interest on Lawyer Trust Accounts) account of BHBH, where Nick can't touch it and BHBH can only legally touch it upon itemized bills being available.

Anyone concerned about the ethics of this should know that fucking around with IOLTA accounts is something that will end your legal career fucking instantly. It is one of the few guaranteed "death penalty" offenses in that you just flat out get disbarred for it, reciprocal disciplines means you're also disbarred anywhere else you're licensed, and just forget being a lawyer forever.

Since then, I assume they've already spent Vic's initial retainer and I have no doubt they've consumed some sizable chunk of the GFM itself on this chickenshit discovery nonsense, whether or not they've actually billed it yet.

Most victims behaved like the SJWs wanted, they basically were lying down and taking it.

This is sort of how hijacking victims responded before 9/11. Just let the bad man do what he wants, he'll demand a bunch of Twinkies or whatever and eventually let the hostages go.

If you think instead that the fucker is just going to fly you into a building you have motivation to resist.

People are learning that if you just give in to these fuckers, they destroy you anyway.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

I believe the timeline is this, without times, someone may provide them and there really should be a timeline of all this nonsense.

Nick gets mad and starts talking about this stuff.

At some point, he also talks to Vic and can't really give legal advice but recommends he get legal counsel. That turns out to be BHBH (Nick already knew Ty personally iirc).

Vic retains BHBH and puts down a retainer. This is probably substantial amount of money.

Nick continues to get mad (he's good at that) and decides fuck this, I want to actually do something about it. He creates the GFM.

The next step takes a little while because it is actually fairly legally complicated to set up a GFM if you're a third party and you're raising the money for the use of someone else. Presumably GFM itself had to look into this and probably their lawyers did too, and they went through a fairly complex process of attaching the GFM to the IOLTA (Interest on Lawyer Trust Accounts) account of BHBH, where Nick can't touch it and BHBH can only legally touch it upon itemized bills being available.

Anyone concerned about the ethics of this should know that fucking around with IOLTA accounts is something that will end your legal career fucking instantly. It is one of the few guaranteed "death penalty" offenses in that you just flat out get disbarred for it, reciprocal disciplines means you're also disbarred anywhere else you're licensed, and just forget being a lawyer forever.

Since then, I assume they've already spent Vic's initial retainer and I have no doubt they've consumed some sizable chunk of the GFM itself on this chickenshit discovery nonsense, whether or not they've actually billed it yet.



This is sort of how hijacking victims responded before 9/11. Just let the bad man do what he wants, he'll demand a bunch of Twinkies or whatever and eventually let the hostages go.

If you think instead that the fucker is just going to fly you into a building you have motivation to resist.

People are learning that if you just give in to these fuckers, they destroy you anyway.

Nick had a stream with Cody Baier from Anime Outsiders and Cody was the one who gave Nick Vic's contact information after the stream.