Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Red Hood]

They thought Star Wars would sell, therefore they tried to make as much Star Wars as possible with no regard for quality. Since all of their stupid farting Dianoga priestesses are as canon as their movies, nobody should give a shit.

The problem with Star Wars is that it's really, REALLY hard to recapture the magic of the original trilogy. There really is a kind of magic to them that's hard to consistently reproduce.

There's just so clearly no heart and soul in the Disney films. They're just made to appeal to particular demographics of fanboys and generate a profit. They don't feel mythic. Even Lucas in the prequels was able to conjure up a bit of the old magic in places.

 

[Creep3r]

I'd like to believe that, but Marvel Comics is also going down the toilet in a very similar fashion also under Disney. Disney/Iger could step in and put a stop to this nonsense if they wanted to, but they don't. So they must approve of it.

Not just Marvel's comics, but their shows and cartoons are average to horribly mediocre, and aside from Marvel vs Capcom 3, all of the new Marvel games are even worse than the worst of the old ones.

There's also their mediocre management of the Muppets franchise which has gone silent since their second Muppets film failed to meet expectations along with that weird Muppets sitcom they did which tried to turn the Muppets into The Office and ended up being cancelled after only 16 episodes.

All they have now is some cheap CGI Muppet Babies remake for Disney Junior that has a disturbingly older fanbase rather than just toddlers.

 

[Antipathy]

The problem with Star Wars is that it's really, REALLY hard to recapture the magic of the original trilogy. There really is a kind of magic to them that's hard to consistently reproduce.

There's just so clearly no heart and soul in the Disney films. They're just made to appeal to particular demographics of fanboys and generate a profit. They don't feel mythic. Even Lucas in the prequels was able to conjure up a bit of the old magic in places.

The reason behind this is quite simple: Lucas actually wanted to create Star Wars. He didn't give a crap about what anyone else said, Star Wars was going to happen. It was his own enthusiasm and creativity and heart that gave Star Wars what it needed to be more than anything Disney can make now. There's a quality about authentically created product that is lacking in the corporately produced garbage. People who make money to make art make better art than people who make art to make money.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

Oh god no.

 

[Creep3r]

Oh god no.
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[Godzilla@1989]

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The thought of her as Rey burns my eyes.

 

[Antipathy]

The thought of her as Rey burns my eyes.

Not nearly as much as Rose did mine.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

The problem with Star Wars is that it's really, REALLY hard to recapture the magic of the original trilogy. There really is a kind of magic to them that's hard to consistently reproduce.

I'm not so sure about that, tbh.
Movies like Ghostbusters, the Star Wars trilogy or Back to the Future managed to capture lightning in a bottle and that can't be outdone, but it's not impossible to make a movie that at least comes close, I would argue.

The charm of Star Wars is that it's a fairy tale about a farmboy who gets dragged into a massive adventure where he becomes a big hero. And the special effects and the designs make this all look epic and amazing. There's so much new stuff at every corner. We see "wretched hives of villainous scum", we see perfectly clean corridors in imperial Stardestroyers, we see desert wastelands, we see an ice planet, dungeons, lairs, a city in the clouds, massive space stations and every place is filled to the brim with unique and striking characters.
Even though Stormtroopers are not exactly "unique" when it comes to them individually, but their design and the sheer mass of storm troopers makes them memorable.

At it's core, Star Wars wants to be a very basic story with very basic morals and very basic storytelling, but this simplicity is what makes it stick. The irony is: By not trying to make it too openly political, the morals become applicable to pretty much everyone. People picked up the "Jedi way", since it isn't weighed down by heavy-handed social commentary.

Compare that all to the sequels. We see barely anything new, it's all just variations on things we've seen in the past. It essentially tries to hamfist some harebrained "Nazis are bad and dumb, m'kay" message into the plot.
There is no imagination, no sense of wonder. It's just going through the motions of being Star Wars by throwing certain tropes on the screen and going "Here's an X-Wing, that's totally Star Wars, right?" without any substance to it.

The long and short of it is: It's almost impossible to outdo the originals, but it's not impossible to make something good that holds up to the originals. The problem is, that Disney did it all wrong. They weren't bold and brave when they should have been and they were outright ignorant and short-sighted everywhere else.
They had a really cynical, dispassionate approach and it shows. No wonder, there's no charm in these new movies, they aren't being done by people who are really invested in them.

 

[Red Hood]

I'm not so sure about that, tbh.
Movies like Ghostbusters, the Star Wars trilogy or Back to the Future managed to capture lightning in a bottle and that can't be outdone, but it's not impossible to make a movie that at least comes close, I would argue.

The charm of Star Wars is that it's a fairy tale about a farmboy who gets dragged into a massive adventure where he becomes a big hero. And the special effects and the designs make this all look epic and amazing. There's so much new stuff at every corner. We see "wretched hives of villainous scum", we see perfectly clean corridors in imperial Stardestroyers, we see desert wastelands, we see an ice planet, dungeons, lairs, a city in the clouds, massive space stations and every place is filled to the brim with unique and striking characters.
Even though Stormtroopers are not exactly "unique" when it comes to them individually, but their design and the sheer mass of storm troopers makes them memorable.

At it's core, Star Wars wants to be a very basic story with very basic morals and very basic storytelling, but this simplicity is what makes it stick. The irony is: By not trying to make it too openly political, the morals become applicable to pretty much everyone. People picked up the "Jedi way", since it isn't weighed down by heavy-handed social commentary.

Compare that all to the sequels. We see barely anything new, it's all just variations on things we've seen in the past. It essentially tries to hamfist some harebrained "Nazis are bad and dumb, m'kay" message into the plot.
There is no imagination, no sense of wonder. It's just going through the motions of being Star Wars by throwing certain tropes on the screen and going "Here's an X-Wing, that's totally Star Wars, right?" without any substance to it.

The long and short of it is: It's almost impossible to outdo the originals, but it's not impossible to make something good that holds up to the originals. The problem is, that Disney did it all wrong. They weren't bold and brave when they should have been and they were outright ignorant and short-sighted everywhere else.
They had a really cynical, dispassionate approach and it shows. No wonder, there's no charm in these new movies, they aren't being done by people who are really invested in them.

You are right, and I may not have stated it very well. But the magic in part is in the simplicity of the story and the fact that it's applicable without being on the nose to most people's lives. Luke staring at the sunset frustrated and feeling stuck is where a lot of us are or have been. And Luke grows in knowledge gradually. He sucks at the Force while training with Yoda. He nearly gets killed the first time he duels Vader and barely scrapes by the second fight before Palpy steps in. He isn't instantly gifted.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

You are right, and I may not have stated it very well. But the magic in part is in the simplicity of the story and the fact that it's applicable without being on the nose to most people's lives. Luke staring at the sunset frustrated and feeling stuck is where a lot of us are or have been. And Luke grows in knowledge gradually. He sucks at the Force while training with Yoda. He nearly gets killed the first time he duels Vader and barely scrapes by the second fight before Palpy steps in. He isn't instantly gifted.

Luke is an amazing protagonist, since he's such a simple character, but he's not boring or bland and people can relate to him very well. Especially young adult males who dream about their future and how they are going to change the world.

The new movies give us Rey and I doubt that anyone is going to be able to relate to Miss "I tried doing this for the first time in my life and it turns out I am the best there ever was at doing this". Rey is a blank slate in terms of a personality and her defining trait is that she's the best there ever was at anything.

 

[Red Hood]

Luke is an amazing protagonist, since he's such a simple character, but he's not boring or bland and people can relate to him very well. Especially young adult males who dream about their future and how they are going to change the world.

The new movies give us Rey and I doubt that anyone is going to be able to relate to Miss "I tried doing this for the first time in my life and it turns out I am the best there ever was at doing this". Rey is a blank slate in terms of a personality and her defining trait is that she's the best there ever was at anything.

But Rey is a woman and therefore universally relatable to all females that have ever existed. It's empowering or something.

 

[Antipathy]

The new movies give us Rey and I doubt that anyone is going to be able to relate to Miss "I tried doing this for the first time in my life and it turns out I am the best there ever was at doing this". Rey is a blank slate in terms of a personality and her defining trait is that she's the best there ever was at anything.

This is probably the one thing that, no matter what else, ensures the Sequels are trash: Rey isn't interesting or relatable. Nobody's been in the position of trying something and being instantly amazing at it, all the goddamn time, while also having to fight off the misguided love of emo pretty boys. Luke, sure, no person's ever been in his exact circumstance, but everyone can relate to wanting to make a change in the world, and getting your ass kicked by a big black guy.

 

[Red Hood]

This is probably the one thing that, no matter what else, ensures the Sequels are trash: Rey isn't interesting or relatable. Nobody's been in the position of trying something and being instantly amazing at it, all the goddamn time, while also having to fight off the misguided love of emo pretty boys. Luke, sure, no person's ever been in his exact circumstance, but everyone can relate to wanting to make a change in the world, and getting your ass kicked by a big black guy.

The funny thing is, it's not for the actors' lack of trying. Rey's character is dull as dirt but in TFA there was a lot of charisma shining through anyway. Finn trying to bullshit with her was actually pretty well done. But then they're mostly split up and there's no chance to learn much more about them.

and getting your ass kicked by a big black guy.

Mike Stoklasa is that you?

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

The funny thing is, it's not for the actors' lack of trying. Rey's character is dull as dirt but in TFA there was a lot of charisma shining through anyway.

In TFA we thought her being able to do a lot of things with absurd levels of competence was foreshadowing that she's actually a partially trained Jedi or that it ties back to her parents and upbringing. In TLJ, we learned that nope, that's just how she is. I guess this is the easiest thing to retcon in IX in theory, by going "Kylo Ren lied to Rey about her parents" and it would allow Abrams to rip off the "Obi Wan never told you about what happened to your father" scene, and he'd jizz himself if he'd be allowed to do that, but the novelization already declared the mindlink the origin of Rey's powers, so I guess they're going to roll with that instead.

By giving Rey no backstory, Johnson ruined her character and cranked her Mary Sue level up to 11.
Similarly, he removed Snoke and gave us no backstory for him.
In TFA, you can't help but wonder who he is and how he ties into the creation of the FO... and we get nothing.
TLJ is a movie without a plot, that's kind of an achievement tbh.

 

[Red Hood]

In TFA we thought her being able to do a lot of things with absurd levels of competence was foreshadowing that she's actually a partially trained Jedi or that it ties back to her parents and upbringing. In TLJ, we learned that nope, that's just how she is. I guess this is the easiest thing to retcon in IX in theory, by going "Kylo Ren lied to Rey about her parents" and it would allow Abrams to rip off the "Obi Wan never told you about what happened to your father" scene, and he'd jizz himself if he'd be allowed to do that, but the novelization already declared the mindlink the origin of Rey's powers, so I guess they're going to roll with that instead.

By giving Rey no backstory, Johnson ruined her character and cranked her Mary Sue level up to 11.
Similarly, he removed Snoke and gave us no backstory for him.
In TFA, you can't help but wonder who he is and how he ties into the creation of the FO... and we get nothing.
TLJ is a movie without a plot, that's kind of an achievement tbh.

TFA is the cocktease that leads to the blue balls of TLJ.

 

[SuperSheep]

The moment they announced that Chuck Wendig would be writing the first major novels, EA would be making the games and that Marvel would be doing the comics again is when I knew shit was gonna be fucked from the get go. And the bizarre thing is that Disney's Star Wars Universe is only less than 5 years old yet not only are they messier but are almost bigger than the old 30yo universe too. How did Disney manage to create such a massive cluster fuck in so little time?

They learned from the mistakes of the EU. Unfortunately, they merely learned how to implement them even worse.

I always was annoyed at the EU's treatment of the Jedi. Far from the guardians of the Republic, they were a bunch of trigger-happy idiot assholes and the galaxy would have been better off with literally any other Force Tradition protecting it (the Sith might be brutal dictators, but you were just as fucked under the neglect and incompetence of the Jedi and at least under the Sith there's a chance of getting a cool light show from the 'Better than the Light Side in every way and Yoda was a deluded fool trying to deny reality when he claimed the Dark Side wasn't stronger and the Dark Side isn't actually evil anyways, you just need to be cool like my self-insert Gray Jedi character to be able to do it" Dark Side powers as you were being fucked).

Then Disney took one look at that, and promptly doubled down.

 

[Shadfan666xxx000]

They learned from the mistakes of the EU. Unfortunately, they merely learned how to implement them even worse.

I always was annoyed at the EU's treatment of the Jedi. Far from the guardians of the Republic, they were a bunch of trigger-happy idiot assholes and the galaxy would have been better off with literally any other Force Tradition protecting it (the Sith might be brutal dictators, but you were just as fucked under the neglect and incompetence of the Jedi and at least under the Sith there's a chance of getting a cool light show from the 'Better than the Light Side in every way and Yoda was a deluded fool trying to deny reality when he claimed the Dark Side wasn't stronger and the Dark Side isn't actually evil anyways, you just need to be cool like my self-insert Gray Jedi character to be able to do it" Dark Side powers as you were being fucked).

Then Disney took one look at that, and promptly doubled down.

Even worse yet, the EU had many different force using organizations on the down low who were often hidden in remote corners of the galaxy and didn't fall under the jedi or with the sith very easily. KOTOR 2 gave you armor from one or two of them and Filoni wars introduced another and gave it a major subplot. This was all without even touching the deconstruction we saw in KOTOR 2 and the mountain of lore we have from the Sith Wars they could have taken inspiration from at least. It's all so tiresome.
Edit: can't type.

 

[Red Hood]

Oh god no.
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It's time for the Jedi to end.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Anyway, What do you think people about Ashoka and her appearences on the other Star Wars media? Tbh, I always confused her with Shaak Ti

Ahsoka as a character is an enigma to me. Anakin was barely knighted in the Clone Wars era so to give him his own padawan right after knighthood is head-scratching - even with Yoda's reasoning that it might teach him responsibility to be paired up with someone as headstrong as he was. However, Ahsoka gradually matures a bit over time and ends up skilled thanks to (or maybe in spite of) Anakin's training, and it's hinted during her departure from the Jedi Order that she even knew about or suspected his relationship with Padme.

Post Clone Wars, I think her appearance in Star Wars Rebels was nothing more than a way to prop up the shows mediocre ratings, similar to all the Clone Wars-era characters that appeared in the show's second season.

I was initially enthusiastic about the novel, Stars Wars: Ahsoka. As much as I felt the author did a good job, it seemed to suffer from cramming too much action into too short of a time period - as if to imply Ahsoka did a lot for a year or two after Order 66 and supposedly spent the next 13 years before Rebels working unknown behind the scenes and doing little of significance since then which would be hard for her character to do given her younger self's desire to always be part of the action.

ETA: Both Ahsoka and Shaak belong to the Togruta species, so that could be part of the confusion. Shaak is older, a Jedi Master, and usually has darker stripes on her lekku and montrals (head-tails and horns) as compared to Ahsoka - along with different natural white pigmentation patterns.

Her supposed death and later revival felt like a cheap ratings grab.

That and it drives home the point that Filoni is unwilling to have Ahsoka die, even if it would make sense in the overall story, because she is his perfect little waifu who can never die and must be shoehorned into pre-existing canon.

As an example of how her death could have furthered the SW saga, Dooku killing her during the Clone Wars could have better explained Anakin's own desire for revenge when they meet for the final time in Revenge of the Sith. Similarly, allowing Ahsoka to stay dead in Rebels could have served as a foreshadowing of Vader's striking down Obi-Wan on the death star to reinforce the idea that he didn't want any reminders of his past as Anakin. Instead, we get Filoni teasing us with numerous close calls where she always comes out largely unscathed a la Rey.

Edits for spelling, clarity, and to add a point I previously forgot to address.

 

[SuperSheep]

Even worse yet, the EU had many different force using organizations on the down low who were often hidden in remote corners of the galaxy and didn't fall under the jedi or with very easily. KOTOR 2 gave you armor from one or two of them and Filoni wars introduced another and gave it a major subplot. This was all without even touching the deconstruction we saw in KOTOR 2 and the mountain of lore we have from the Sith Wars they could have taken inspiration from at least. It's all so tiresome.

Many of them were former Jedi who left because of the Jedi's dogmatism, making the claim in AOTC that only 20 Jedi had ever left the Order so suspect you wonder if they scrubbed the records every month or so.