🪦 Deceased Gwen Hartley & The Hartley Hooligans - Attention Seeking Horrorshow Mom of Two Dead Gremlins & Finally Free Human Son

[DildoGaggins]

It honestly never fazed me. But eventually when Lola passes Gwen is going to have nothing to do anymore. When that day does come to pass she's going to try to fill that emptiness with Cal, and he is going to want nothing to do with her.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

You know had their been a pool I’m pretty sure most everyone would have bet on Lola being the one that croaked. She’s had a weird rash for over a year and is skeletal.

The only visible sign of “new” trouble for Claire was skin that looked jaundiced but that his hard to gauge due to lighting and display in digital photo.

But on the other hand the condition is degenerative and Claire had five years more decline than Lola.

Does make me wonder how long Lola will last. I can only imagine how Gwen is going on about how devastated Lola is and how bad she misses her sister.

I also don’t care what Gwen says, there is a part of her that is relieved. Did she really look forward to caring for Claire into old age? She’s given fifteen years to cleaning the asses of non-sentient goblins, that’s far longer than she ever expected.

 

[MysticMisty]

I know. I’m speculating whether she could feel the effects of the chicken pox at any capacity because her face certainly looks like it does, in some way.

It's probably some sort of involuntary reaction from her body. Her body is struggling with chicken pox (that neither Gwen nor Scott got Cal vaccinated for, which is how they contracted it), but she couldn't comprehend what was going on.

 

[grumbleBum]

I also don’t care what Gwen says, there is a part of her that is relieved. Did she really look forward to caring for Claire into old age? She’s given fifteen years to cleaning the asses of non-sentient goblins, that’s far longer than she ever expected.

Gwen’s ass-cleaning would have only occurred when being documented for internet asspats, I think she’d definitely have signed a DNR if she had to do too much of the grunt work.

 

[AdSense]

There's no right way to deal with this kind of thing, but the Hartley's and how they treated both girls always rubbed me the wrong way. The way they talk about them in interviews is jarring because it's so completely divorced from reality. The girls struck me as glorified toys to them. Driven home by that video of the father using Lola as a 'ninja' to make the rest of the family laugh. I can maybe imagine doing that with a baby who can fully engage and appreciate the joke, not a child who has a lot of health problems and could probably seize from being jostled around so much.

These parents have a child with a lesser form of microcelphaley as well and they speak to how difficult it is to just cope with that condition, not the multitude of other issues the Harley girls have. They're actually grounded in reality and talk about their child like he's a fully fledged human being, who is going to struggle tremendously with a condition that will never get better and may struggle when his parents die, not cute baby dolls to dress up and play with for the camera.

 

[omori]

What irritates me/makes my skin crawl the most is that Gwen is gonna continue to holler that Claire lived for as long as she did is pure miracle or some such nonsense and continue to hound that poor doctor with that.

 

[Apocalypso]

Just their names in the thread title sounds like they could make a killer rock band.

 

[Meowthkip]

I can’t help but feel like the pictures where Lola is dressed as a lobster exude pure misery, or at least some kind of exhaustion. A spark of some kind of suffering on Lola’s face. But maybe that’s just my brain’s attempt to project emotions on a being that I cannot hope to comprehend.

I look at Lola here and I get a sinking feeling in my chest. I feel genuine sorrow and disgust.

She looks like she's in agony.

 

[supremeautismo]

I look at Lola here and I get a sinking feeling in my chest. I feel genuine sorrow and disgust.

She looks like she's in agony.

I have sympathy for Gwen until I remember she refuses vaccines, muscle relaxers, anything that could make her childrens’ hellish lives any easier. Bragging in the face of doctors trying to help and knowingly allowing another tortured body into the world that she had other people care for.

Fuck her. God I hope Cal busts out and doesn’t have an abortion of a family when he’s older.

 

[Silence of the Troons]

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[Kate Farms Shill]

That picture makes her look almost normal and conscious of what's going on around her. Like you might look at it and think that is one weird looking kid or there is definitely something wrong with it, but it's not the instant revulsion any photo of Lola elicits. And also makes me really, really hope she wasn't conscious of what was happening to her.

 

[Lurkette]

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hahahaha buuullllshit you'd intentionally choose a meat puppet as a child instead of a healthy, happy, talking one hahahahahahaha

 

[Dysnomia]

Speaking of Juliana Wetmore, has anyone else heard of Sophia Weaver and her mom Natalie? Sophia was born with Rett syndrome and other various grotesquely disturbing deformities that are the things of nightmares. Her mom made a huge stink about someone making a post on twitter using Sophia's picture as an example of why abortions should remain a thing. The mom eventually succeeded in getting the poster's account suspended for "participating in abusive behavior." Most of the tweets directed at her weren't even hateful in the least and were just making the very rational points that having Sophia or children like her aborted would have been the most loving thing to do considering her issues, and that if parents decide to have a child like that, they should be responsible for all of their resulting medical bills. The mom doesn't seem to be a fundie like the Wetmore's or shill Sophia out like Gwen, but she still annoys the shit out of me.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/07/heal...ocates-medically-fragile-kids-trnd/index.html

So I have somewhat of an interest in genetics and birth defects. Makes me wish I had applied myself.

I remember looking up Rett syndrome awhile back and seeing Sophia. Now I've seen some really bad pics of deformed fetuses. But when someone is past the fetal/infant stage it tends to be a lot worse to look at. And Sophia is grotesque. Nothing is going to change the fact that most humans will look at her and be repulsed. Because we are wired to care for offspring that is healthy and free of deformities. It's why humanity isn't a bunch of exceptional mutant freaks. Because we didn't bother trying to raise children that looked like Sophia or the Hartley gremlins. It's only in modern times that we insist on futilely trying to keep children like this alive. People being repulsed is just natural.

With Rett syndrome development seems normal then there's rapid degeneration. So you may have a toddler just totally crash and the child that once was is no more. That's much sadder than being a potato from birth if you ask me.

I'm wondering if Sophia has Nager syndrome as well because just googling around I found this article about a little Russian girl named Darina:

https://www.hefty.co/darina-spengler/

She has the same nightmarish mouth as Sophia. The article states she will be getting more reconstructive surgery on her mouth as she was born without lips. The parents had no idea she was deformed in utero.

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So Gwen would want the same potato no matter what? It's almost like she's saying that if reincarnation exists she hopes to have Claire the potato child over and over again. That's horrifying.

 

[Mason Verger]

I look at Lola here and I get a sinking feeling in my chest. I feel genuine sorrow and disgust.

She looks like she's in agony.

She was, this was back when she chicken pox for like 2 years and seemingly felt nothing but pain. Covered in sores, lets slap a polyester novelty Halloween costume on her!

"I have no brain, yet I must scream.."

 

[PoisonedBun]

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I believe that’s a pretty old picture of Claire, one from several years ago. She was almost kinda a cute kid at one point, because her face hadn’t grown further and further around a deformed skull yet. A surprisingly self aware choice from Gwen.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

I believe that’s a pretty old picture of Claire, one from several years ago. She was almost kinda a cute kid at one point, because her face hadn’t grown further and further around a deformed skull yet. A surprisingly self aware choice from Gwen.

Yes, for all the choosing Gwen would do over lifetimes it’s interesting she picked a photo at least a decade old to represent Claire. Claire was sorta cute up until age five or six. Imagine a sixteen year old dying in a car crash and the family posting their kindergarten photo in the memorial.

I think Claire being “cute” and like a very inert baby made her decide going ahead with Lola was a good idea. (Claire was four when Gwen got pregnant again) I think had Gwen knew what the future held for Claire she might have made a different decision when told Lola was also microcephalic. But to abort Lola would have been admitting Claire was a mistake, which was intolerable to Gwen.

Gwen could never make peace with the fact that any human would chose for their child not to suffer devastating disabilities. The Hooligans aren’t “perfect” just as they are, they are profoundly fucked up and it kept their quality of life to zero. Gwen’s desperation to spin it as just normal kids with “super powers” was a bizarre facade to invent. I think she did it to give her life meaning.

We know how committed to the sassy teen stuff she was in SM but I wonder if the same held true in her real life. I think she was terrified of admitting that she and the girls might have been better off if they had never being born. I think even having the thought scared her so much or made her feel so guilty she doubled down on it being the best, most wonderful thing and it was her mission to convince herself and the rest of the world of this narrative.

 

[MysticMisty]

I have sympathy for Gwen until I remember she refuses vaccines, muscle relaxers, anything that could make her childrens’ hellish lives any easier.

For what it's worth they probably are/were too weak to be vaccinated, but that's no excuse for not vaccinating Cal for their protection. Everything else though there's no real excuse for not doing.

 

[AnOminous]

For what it's worth they probably are/were too weak to be vaccinated, but that's no excuse for not vaccinating Cal for their protection. Everything else though there's no real excuse for not doing.

Gwen is just a hot mess of a completely shitty person and nothing she does makes any sense at all.

 

[MirnaMinkoff]

For what it's worth they probably are/were too weak to be vaccinated, but that's no excuse for not vaccinating Cal for their protection. Everything else though there's no real excuse for not doing.

Yes, obviously the girls were too weak for vaccines it’s why Gwen’s insistence on taking them out as props all the time was so weird for such a concerned mother who couldn’t even give the girls Tylenol.

Thanks to woo shit heads like Gwen herd immunity is far from being a safe bet now. Lola getting chicken pox, when she doesn’t attend school or even have the ability to interact with anyone, is a good example of “how the fuck did that happen?” All the PT and Eagle Eye therapists Gwen wasted money on probably caused far more damage by bringing in germs than any benefit (which was none).

 

[PoisonedBun]

Yes, for all the choosing Gwen would do over lifetimes it’s interesting she picked a photo at least a decade old to represent Claire. Claire was sorta cute up until age five or six. Imagine a sixteen year old dying in a car crash and the family posting their kindergarten photo in the memorial.

I think Claire being “cute” and like a very inert baby made her decide going ahead with Lola was a good idea. (Claire was four when Gwen got pregnant again) I think had Gwen knew what the future held for Claire she might have made a different decision when told Lola was also microcephalic. But to abort Lola would have been admitting Claire was a mistake, which was intolerable to Gwen.

Gwen could never make peace with the fact that any human would chose for their child not to suffer devastating disabilities. The Hooligans aren’t “perfect” just as they are, they are profoundly fucked up and it kept their quality of life to zero. Gwen’s desperation to spin it as just normal kids with “super powers” was a bizarre facade to invent. I think she did it to give her life meaning.

We know how committed to the sassy teen stuff she was in SM but I wonder if the same held true in her real life. I think she was terrified of admitting that she and the girls might have been better off if they had never being born. I think even having the thought scared her so much or made her feel so guilty she doubled down on it being the best, most wonderful thing and it was her mission to convince herself and the rest of the world of this narrative.

I’ve read this whole thread and while Gwen’s not a good person by any means, I almost kind of feel bad for her in the way I feel for a ‘tragic villain’ in a movie. I don’t think she ever pimped out the girls for solely selfish means, and she did love them in an incredibly misguided way that grew to be selfish. She forced herself to live a delusion she’s hinted to know she’s living because she’s too afraid to admit she’s made mistakes or genuinely hurt her children. If Claire and Lola were born normal girls, she’d be a completely unremarkable hippie mom.

So the way I feel about Gwen is like Thanos basically. She’s crazy and a bad person but I kinda get her motivations, you know?