[8 July 18] Phil "packing heat" - Substitute phallus in his pants

[DragoonSierra]

unfortunately, as much some would like the government to arbitrarily commute a civil right without a conviction, a mere visit from law enforcement doesn't preclude any gun purchase. not even if the purpose of the visit was to investigate the possibility of an assassination attempt.

if anything, being investigated and cleared of the threat (means, motive, and opportunity) would be a good sign.

unless Phil was somehow convicted of a felony, has an active restraining order, been adjudicated by a court as mentally defective, et c; there' s not much barring him from a legal firearms purchase, and arguably the lesser barrier of a private sale is more attainable.

Some people have speculated that gun store owners would be wary of selling a gun to him based on his looks or behavior.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Some people have speculated that gun store owners would be wary of selling a gun to him based on his looks or behavior.

i happen to be a manufacturer/dealer that has more or less done that exact thing for that exact reason for the person in question. some year or two ago Phil entered my shop and was exploring options to purchase a handgun, and even handled one i had on display. after some cursory questions, and from his manner and appearance, and the way he phrased things with the guy he walked in with, i wasn't really keen on selling him anything and referred him elsewhere.

i used my best judgement and self interest to deny him a sale at my shop. it is because at that point in time i felt it would damage me or my business should i opt to continue a sale i'm not fully confident in the legality of, or because i don't feel like selling to a weirdo with bike tattoos and clothing stolen from a homeless shelter.

despite the cries of alarmists, crazed nutters are not walking into a corner shop and paying untraceable cocaine money for the latest baby-seeking rocket launcher. however a dealer that doesn't discriminate between who he is dealing with is assuming risk he doesn't have to.

if i make a bad sale, there is a non-zero chance i could be penalized with federal prison, loss of assets (money, business, home, et c), or both. it's unlikely, but it's a possibility. so being choosy with customers is one way that many dealers weed out liability as there is no business insurance on this planet that would be reasonably affordable to dissuade it. there is both self interest, a moral obligation, and a legal requirement to do so.

we aren't mandatory reporters and in fact have no real ability to report "getting a bad vibe" other than call in to the BATFE hotline and explain the situation and get a determination that way. given how the feds and certain political groups like to fuck over gun dealers, that's no safety net if something bad happened anyway.

to wit: no dealer will put themselves or their business on the line for a customer that gives them a bad vibe because a sale just isn't worth it. there's plenty of other customers that aren't so risky.

a private sale, between two residents of the same state, typically does not involve a dealer and can be completed on a "handshake". many states have additional rules on this procedure, but even then, Phil may not be able to complete the sale simply because private sellers are often more paranoid than dealers. and those that don't care who they sell too may not be the type of dealer that Phil would even want to interact with because he's inept, a coward, or both.

edit: i'm not trying to rant or anything, i've edited this many times to try and outline my thoughts on the topic in general as well as how it applies to Phil.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

i happen to be a manufacturer/dealer that has more or less done that exact thing for that exact reason for the person in question. some year or two ago Phil entered my shop and was exploring options to purchase a handgun, and even handled one i had on display. after some cursory questions, and from his manner and appearance, and the way he phrased things with the guy he walked in with, i wasn't really keen on selling him anything and referred him elsewhere.

i used my best judgement and self interest to deny him a sale at my shop. it is because at that point in time i felt it would damage me or my business should i opt to continue a sale i'm not fully confident in the legality of, or because i don't feel like selling to a weirdo with bike tattoos and clothing stolen from a homeless shelter.

despite the cries of alarmists, crazed nutters are not walking into a corner shop and paying untraceable cocaine money for the latest baby-seeking rocket launcher. however a dealer that doesn't discriminate between who he is dealing with is assuming risk he doesn't have to.

if i make a bad sale, there is a non-zero chance i could be penalized with federal prison, loss of assets (money, business, home, et c), or both. it's unlikely, but it's a possibility. so being choosy with customers is one way that many dealers weed out liability as there is no business insurance on this planet that would be reasonably affordable to dissuade it. there is both self interest, a moral obligation, and a legal requirement to do so.

we aren't mandatory reporters and in fact have no real ability to report "getting a bad vibe" other than call in to the BATFE hotline and explain the situation and get a determination that way. given how the feds and certain political groups like to fuck over gun dealers, that's no safety net if something bad happened anyway.

to wit: no dealer will put themselves or their business on the line for a customer that gives them a bad vibe because a sale just isn't worth it. there's plenty of other customers that aren't so risky.

a private sale, between two residents of the same state, typically does not involve a dealer and can be completed on a "handshake". many states have additional rules on this procedure, but even then, Phil may not be able to complete the sale simply because private sellers are often more paranoid than dealers. and those that don't care who they sell too may not be the type of dealer that Phil would even want to interact with because he's inept, a coward, or both.

edit: i'm not trying to rant or anything, i've edited this many times to try and outline my thoughts on the topic in general as well as how it applies to Phil.

Was this when Phil was in Oakland? Just wondering if a different state might mean a different outcome.

Semper Fi to you for not giving this fat idiot a firearm.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Was this when Phil was in Oakland? Just wondering if a different state might mean a different outcome.

Semper Fi to you for not giving this fat idiot a firearm.

Berkeley.

 

[AnOminous]

many states have additional rules on this procedure, but even then, Phil may not be able to complete the sale simply because private sellers are often more paranoid than dealers.

I think every state has laws against straw purchasing for convicted felons and in general people who are otherwise disqualified. Private sellers generally have no access to ways of doing background checks. Nobody is going to sell to Phil, other than those sleazeballs you mentioned who Phil would probably be afraid of, if they don't already know him because just seeing him, you'd assume there was something wrong with him (and you would be right).

 

[The Dude]

I think every state has laws against straw purchasing for convicted felons and in general people who are otherwise disqualified. Private sellers generally have no access to ways of doing background checks. Nobody is going to sell to Phil, other than those sleazeballs you mentioned who Phil would probably be afraid of, if they don't already know him because just seeing him, you'd assume there was something wrong with him (and you would be right).

There's a federal law against state purchasing for felons and other disqualified persons. However, some states have much more restrictive laws regarding what a disqualified person means. @Club Sandwich did a good job outlining what I've said many times when the topic of Phil getting his little piggy hooves on a firearm comes up, that no dealer who wants to keep their FFL and no private seller who values their right to keep and bear arms will be willing to sell to Phil. He just instantly gives off the vibe that he is not someone who should ever be around firearms. You'd have to be as stupid as Phil to not see it. So while he may legally have the right to have guns, there are still many "gatekeepers" standing in his way. He will either have to buy one illegally from the kinds of people he is terrified of, or have one of his less "concerning" compatriots but it for him. And if he's there in the shop with said hypothetical buddy, bouncing and squeaking in anticipation, while the sale is happening, then whoever is working the sale will likely turn them away for being so suspicious.

Most people who work in firearms sales are passionate about the work and will do everything they can to ensure their livelihood and passion aren't tarnished any more than it already is. Owning and selling firearms already gets a bad rap, and no one who owns or works at a gun shop wants the law to walk in one day informing them that a firearm they sold was used in a homicide or other crime and now they're under investigation. While background checks do a lot to weed out those who are prohibited from purchasing firearms, the ability for the shop staff to judge the character of a potential buyer also plays a large part. The same goes for private sellers.

tl;dr: Phil gives off an obvious suspicious vibe and no legitimate salesman or private seller would risk selling to him.

 

[nvrwastetree]

i happen to be a manufacturer/dealer that has more or less done that exact thing for that exact reason for the person in question. some year or two ago Phil entered my shop and was exploring options to purchase a handgun, and even handled one i had on display. after some cursory questions, and from his manner and appearance, and the way he phrased things with the guy he walked in with, i wasn't really keen on selling him anything and referred him elsewhere.

i used my best judgement and self interest to deny him a sale at my shop. it is because at that point in time i felt it would damage me or my business should i opt to continue a sale i'm not fully confident in the legality of, or because i don't feel like selling to a weirdo with bike tattoos and clothing stolen from a homeless shelter.

despite the cries of alarmists, crazed nutters are not walking into a corner shop and paying untraceable cocaine money for the latest baby-seeking rocket launcher. however a dealer that doesn't discriminate between who he is dealing with is assuming risk he doesn't have to.

if i make a bad sale, there is a non-zero chance i could be penalized with federal prison, loss of assets (money, business, home, et c), or both. it's unlikely, but it's a possibility. so being choosy with customers is one way that many dealers weed out liability as there is no business insurance on this planet that would be reasonably affordable to dissuade it. there is both self interest, a moral obligation, and a legal requirement to do so.

we aren't mandatory reporters and in fact have no real ability to report "getting a bad vibe" other than call in to the BATFE hotline and explain the situation and get a determination that way. given how the feds and certain political groups like to fuck over gun dealers, that's no safety net if something bad happened anyway.

to wit: no dealer will put themselves or their business on the line for a customer that gives them a bad vibe because a sale just isn't worth it. there's plenty of other customers that aren't so risky.

a private sale, between two residents of the same state, typically does not involve a dealer and can be completed on a "handshake". many states have additional rules on this procedure, but even then, Phil may not be able to complete the sale simply because private sellers are often more paranoid than dealers. and those that don't care who they sell too may not be the type of dealer that Phil would even want to interact with because he's inept, a coward, or both.

edit: i'm not trying to rant or anything, i've edited this many times to try and outline my thoughts on the topic in general as well as how it applies to Phil.

Well you have my thanks. If I may ask, do you remember anything that Phil said to you that day (other than looking like a suspicious idiot) that set off your red flags??? Also, what phrasing was he using with his "friend" that escorted him into the store??? How bad was the smell?

there are still many "gatekeepers" standing in his way.

And the best thing about gun store "gatekeepers" is that they will more than likely never budge to anyone like Phil, even if said person was to go on Yelp and threaten to write-up a bad review because they refused to sell them a gun.

 

[AnOminous]

You'd have to be as stupid as Phil to not see it.

This is what I'm worried about, because it describes most of antifa.

 

[Club Sandwich]

Well you have my thanks. If I may ask, do you remember anything that Phil said to you that day (other than looking like a suspicious idiot) that set off your red flags??? Also, what phrasing was he using with his "friend" that escorted him into the store??? How bad was the smell?

i get a lot of people that have never seen a firearm in person before the day they walked into my shop. Phil looked simultaneously intimidated/nervous and also salivatingly eager. a strange combination, but alright, excited boy is excited. he also preferred to glance at/refer to his phone (reading a website?) rather than talk to me, so while not a red flag, was a little odd it stayed that way until his friend showed up a few minutes after him - a skinny Asian guy. they talked, asked about some models, had a pretty low iron-clad budget, didn't seem to have a grasp on the law or the lingua franca of the gun trade.

my first red flag was he was very wishy washy on what he wanted a gun for. most people say for fun, for defense, for a job, for a collection, et c. the two kinda looked at each other, almost had that half smirk where you're going to make an in-joke but then don't say it. then said it was for protection. at that point i was somewhat suspicious since the combination of words and hesitation in speech was like the thing i'd get from some guy that wanted to pay cash and wasn't sure about any sort of background check. for a first time gun buyer that's still a bit of a flag because most people assume you need a special license/permit or something and/or a special background check for any gun, et c (basically they are overly pessimistic about their gun rights).

the second flag was after handling a Kel-tec (i think, as it's one of the cheaper models i have regularly), he made mention of what i thought was at the time using his "sister's" money to buy the gun. he phrased it as "sis-bucks" or i guess cis-bucks now that i read up a little more on his autism. that right there is concerning because usually a person buying a gun as a gift for someone else is pretty up front about it, or the buyer is there with the recipient. using someone else's money makes me think the cash is stolen, or that it's some weird attempt at a straw purchase. at this point i was done and no longer interested in selling him anything, really.

edit: grammar

 

[wellthathappened]

Phil does not own a firearm.

 

[Positron]

Phil: I'm going to pay with...heh...heh...cis-bucks...heh...heh...*squeak*
Club Sandwich: THAT'S IT! I don't want to deal with you! Now get out!

This is just too good.

 

[nvrwastetree]

a skinny Asian

Can anyone tell me if I'm think of the same skinny Asian here??? Forgot the idiots name, but whenever something negative/insulting is posted to Phil's Facebook, he's always one of the first asspatters to come to Phil's rescue. I think people have told him the truth about Phil, but the chink is so goddamn deaf and stubborn, he refuses to believe it.

my first red flag was he was very wishy washy on what he wanted a gun for. most people say for fun, for defense, for a job, for a collection, et c. the two kinda looked at each other, almost had that half smirk where you're going to make an in-joke but then don't say it. then said it was for protection. at that point i was somewhat suspicious since the combination of words and hesitation in speech was like the thing i'd get from some guy that wanted to pay cash and wasn't sure about any sort of background check. for a first time gun buyer that's still a bit of a flag because most people assume you need a special license/permit or something and/or a special background check for any gun, et c (basically they are overly pessimistic about their gun rights).

To be quite honest, if the timeframe that Phil walked into your store is the same timeframe that had all the Michael Sandell drama, then you may have ended up preventing a cold blooded murder because Phil threatened this dude all over Facebook, and even attempted to get him fired from his job at one point. I'm honestly surprised he didn't make a offhand remark about wanting to kill someone. Also, it's pretty funny that Phil kept to his cellphone while you were talking to him, and I say that because you probably intimidated and scared the shit out of Phil.

the second flag was after handling a Kel-tec (i think, as it's one of the cheaper models i have regularly), he made mention of what i thought was at the time using his "sister's" money to buy the gun. he phrased it as "sis-bucks" or i guess cis-bucks now that i read up a little more on his autism. that right there is concerning because usually a gun as a gift for someone else is pretty up front about it, or the buyer is there with the recipient. using someone else's money makes me think the cash is stolen, or that it's some weird attempt at a straw purchase. at this point i was done and no longer interested in selling him anything, really.

That he uses the term "cis-bucks" and expects everyone, whether you've heard it or not, to understand what it means is pretty funny. For as stupid as Phil is, I didn't think he said that shit in public, but I guess he does. So, when you cancelled the cconsultatio, did you have to kick him out of your store, and if so, did Phil end up throwing a temper tantrum in your store, or did he leave on his own volition??

 

[AnOminous]

the second flag was after handling a Kel-tec (i think, as it's one of the cheaper models i have regularly), he made mention of what i thought was at the time using his "sister's" money to buy the gun. he phrased it as "sis-bucks" or i guess cis-bucks now that i read up a little more on his autism.

So he really is autistic enough he'd say shit like that in public to someone who obviously would have no fucking clue what it means.

Also did that Asian mongoloid look like this?

Here's a better picture.

 

[Club Sandwich]

So, when you cancelled the cconsultatio, did you have to kick him out of your store, and if so, did Phil end up throwing a temper tantrum in your store, or did he leave on his own volition??

everything i had was out of his price range, the PF-9 was the model i think he handled, not 100% sure though, and i sell that to the public for $299. then there's tax, transfer fee $35, California specific fees (Dealer's Record of Sale state background check process, $25), a firearm safety certificate at $25 (if you don't have one already), a gun lock (~$30), and the 10 day waiting period.

then i would typically charge an additional $72 to change the pistol from a single shot (for transfer safe handgun exemption) into a double action again ($36 each time because i'm not primarily a public shop, i mostly do service center/repair work and my time is valuable). generally i waive most fees if the buyer is a cool dude, or i'm doing other things on top of a sale.

basically, he was too poor and had $200 period to spend.

i showed some used shotguns i had, suggested saving up another month's pay because you really do get what you pay for when it's under $500 in the gun world, but he was insistent on a handgun and showed me an article or something that listed some handguns, and i think that's why he initially wanted to see the PF-9 specifically. i suggested another store i knew in El Cerrito that carried Hi Points and had layaway guns (i don't offer financing) and after puttering around the shop a little looking at things he left towards the bus stop (the parking lot is to one side, the sidewalk the other way and there's only a bus stop there, not even a meter space).

i think the total time in the store was around 30 minutes? less than 5 was spent talking. a lot of it was looking at his phone, looking at my displays, asking to handle one or two guns like a Radom P-64 i had kicking around and a used snub S&W Model 36.

Also did that Asian mongoloid look like this?

shorter hair, and wore a gray hoodie... maybe? it's been over a year, closer to two.

edit: with the better picture, no a different guy, unless the man pictured dropped like 50lbs.

further edit: i do remember that Phil had a knapsack/backpack thing with buttons and safety pins, as well as a few books. that was from an arm (left arm?) that had some tattoo of a touring bicycle and some weird triangle thing that was reddish and messy looking. i remember keeping an eye on that now and then as a theft/not-wanting-to-be-robbed early warning system. he had greasy/gelled hair and was badly shaved with enough piercings to fit in at a Butthole Surfers concert, but had neither the look or the attitude to account for it.

he smelled of poseur.

 

[The Dude]

LOL, the fact that Phil honestly believed he could get himself a handgun in new or good condition for $200, especially in California with all the accompanying nanny state taxes and fees, really shows just how ignorant he is about firearms. It really tickles my funny bone. He probably expected to get some kind of discount offer for being a special snowflake "brave translatinxyzbbq" looking for a way to defend xirself from the evil CIS trainsmysoggyknees goobergrape dudebros and Kiwi chasers, or some such nonsense.

I'm not surprised he's genuinely stupid enough to use the term "CISbux" in public. I'm on the fence as to whether he thought @Club Sandwich to know what that meant or not. Though, Phil basically lives in a Tumblr-esque SJW bubble, so he may have actually thought everyone knows what CISbux are.

 

[Tragi-Chan]

I love it when Phil interacts with the real world.

 

[UselessRubberKeyboard]

Phil commented on Greta's (ex-TLL) recent firearms post that he wanted a Kel-Tec, didn't he? I know nothing about guns, but from what I've picked up on here Kel-Tecs are the tacticool end of the firearms spectrum rather than being a good investment.

Lol at Phil's demeanor in the shop. Omg guns! I get to touch them! Ooooooh, power! Creepy as hell.

 

[Club Sandwich]

...Kel-Tecs are the tacticool end of the firearms spectrum rather than being a good investment.

Spoiler: sort of

Kel-Tec built a name on innovative firearms products that sometimes have quality control issues, but are fully supported by the manufacturer. the PF-9 in particular is small, handy, lightweight, and generally reliable, but has some missing features found on other firearms and some annoyances here and there. it's a popular "budget" concealed carry or backup gun.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Was the "skinny Asian" with Phil in the gun shop the same guy who was with him in that cheese shopping pic?

Though, Phil basically lives in a Tumblr-esque SJW bubble, so he may have actually thought everyone knows what CISbux are.

Imagine if he called it "battleship bucks."

 

[nvrwastetree]

So he really is autistic enough he'd say shit like that in public to someone who obviously would have no fucking clue what it means.

Also did that Asian mongoloid look like this?

Here's a better picture.

Yes, that is the fucker I was talking bout in my reply to you. He seems to be Phil's biggest ass kisser. I don't know if he is secretly in love with Phil, or if he's trying g to long con Phil. Either way, Daniel Hong deserves his own thread here.

Spoiler: sort of

Kel-Tec built a name on innovative firearms products that sometimes have quality control issues, but are fully supported by the manufacturer. the PF-9 in particular is small, handy, lightweight, and generally reliable, but has some missing features found on other firearms and some annoyances here and there. it's a popular "budget" concealed carry or backup gun.

You know why he wants that gun? So he can carry it around, concealed in case someone he doesn't like comes around him so he can shoot the person, even if said person doesn't even know him. I guess fatfuck doesn't understand that if he did something like that, he would go to prison for a long time, and it doesn't matter if you're a special snowflake or a tard like Phil, you won't be getting out anytime soon. And don't even think they would allow him into a woman's prison because as soon as he is booked, he will be marked a dang, dirty, male again. So Phil, was that your plan all along??? Shoot someone then go to jail for murder...I guess you didn't think things through as usual.