Money As you all should Very Well Know FB 9/24

[OBAMATRON]

I can't wait to see this mountain of stupidity collapse on Chris and Barb. As they say, dis gon be gud.

 

[Holdek]

I'm sure that everyone who ordered them actually wants them. It's just seeming like we're never going to get them. To put this in perspective, on the same day that I ordered the medallion, I also ordered a custom piece of \M/ETAL artwork. He said that it would probably take two weeks to create too. I already have the \M/ETAL artwork though (which was much harder to make) while Chris doesn't even have the money to send out the medallion. I honestly think that everyone should open a case against Chris as that will likely get his ass in gear.

But...it hasn't been two weeks in your case.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

Well it is your mistake for opening up the case to begin with, isn't it? Seems like Chris would win this particular case.

If Chris shipped the thing to PumpkinSwirl lynx by 9/26, the promised ship-by date, then Chris might win the case. Note that Chris's correspondence doesn't discuss that as an option.

Almost all eBay disputes are settled in favor of the buyer anyway (which isn't necessarily a good thing) but it doesn't help when the seller sabotages their own case by admitting in writing that they have no intention of meeting the promised shipping date.

 

[Holdek]

If Chris shipped the thing to PumpkinSwirl by 9/26, the promised ship-by date, then Chris might win the case. Note that Chris's correspondence doesn't discuss that as an option.

PumpkinSwirl ordered it on the 14th. Two weeks is the 28th. So Chris has several days. Or am I missing something here?

 

[Blueberry]

PumpkinSwirl ordered it on the 14th. Two weeks is the 28th. So Chris has several days. Or am I missing something here?

Chris stated he would ship Lynx's on the 1st of October. To coincide with the tugboat I assume. Which is past the shipping expectation date. So all claims for refund would be valid, right?

 

[lynx]

Well it is your mistake for opening up the case to begin with, isn't it? Seems like Chris would win this particular case.

like I said, it wasn't my intention, and Chris being Chris set the delivery estimate to some time last week, which caused the case to open up automatically when I sent this message. and now Chris is trying to tell me that it'll be shipped over five days later than it's supposed to be (the 1st rather than the 26th).

i'm not trying to a-log or ween or whatever the terminology is when people do stuff to chris that he doesn't like. I'm sorry it creates a difficult situation for Chris, but maybe he shouldn't have dropped all of his money and acquired a loan to buy a car without setting aside funds to fulfill his end of the contracts he made with 30+ buyers.

 

[PumpkinSwirl]

PumpkinSwirl ordered it on the 14th. Two weeks is the 28th. So Chris has several days. Or am I missing something here?

I've already said that I'm going to do anything until the 10th of October.

Chris stated he would ship Lynx's on the 1st of October. To coincide with the tugboat I assume. Which is past the shipping expectation date. So all claims for refund would be valid, right?

Yes, his claim is valid. Honestly though all claims are valid considering he's openly saying on Facebook that he has no money and has no clue when the medallions will ship.

 

[Holdek]

Chris stated he would ship Lynx's on the 1st of October. To coincide with the tugboat I assume. Which is past the shipping expectation date. So all claims for refund would be valid, right?

Yeah, if he filed the claim on the 26th. You can't file a claim prematurely, which puts a stop on the money, and then be entitled to have the item shipped to you.

 

[Blueberry]

Yeah, if he filed the claim on the 26th. You can't file a claim prematurely, which puts a stop on the money, and then be entitled to have the item shipped to you.

I see what you are saying now, the claim is before the 26th.

Is the fact that Chris's only funds being tied to paypal considered relevant to the situation? I don't know how eBay would factor that into the claim. If anything that would just be more ammo for the buyer to use against the seller.

 

[MrsFrizzle]

PumpkinSwirl ordered it on the 14th. Two weeks is the 28th. So Chris has several days. Or am I missing something here?

You're missing that PumpkinSwirl lynx (sorry!) ordered it on the 12th, which makes two weeks the 26th. And that Chris proposed an entirely new shipping date in his response to the complaint, rather than agreeing to abide by the original date.

Chris is fucked by eBay's standards now. They don't allow sellers to renegotiate things on the fly if the buyers don't want to.

I myself would have waited until the 26th to file, but it isn't going to matter in this case because Chris's response admits to defaulting on the original arrangement.

 

[lynx]

Yeah, if he filed the claim on the 26th. You can't file a claim prematurely, which puts a stop on the money, and then be entitled to have the item shipped to you.

except it wasn't a premature claim. Like I said, Chris set the delivery estimate too low, which tells ebay that I should have been expecting the item from tuesday-friday last week (9/16-9/19). on ebay you can set the handling time on items higher if you're going to be needing more time before shipping, which would increase the delivery estimate accordingly. chris didn't do that which is why it opened the claim for me when I sent the message. and since I don't know if the medallions will actually ever be shipped or if chris will just continue buying more legos and shitting himself, then I'm not going to throw away my only chance for a refund just because it happened before chris or myself wanted it to.

 

[Holdek]

like I said, it wasn't my intention, and Chris being Chris set the delivery estimate to some time last week, which caused the case to open up automatically when I sent this message. and now Chris is trying to tell me that it'll be shipped over five days later than it's supposed to be (the 1st rather than the 26th).

i'm not trying to a-log or ween or whatever the terminology is when people do stuff to chris that he doesn't like. I'm sorry it creates a difficult situation for Chris, but maybe he shouldn't have dropped all of his money and acquired a loan to buy a car without setting aside funds to fulfill his end of the contracts he made with 30+ buyers.

I know it was an accident on your part, and I feel for your position, but Chris hasn't broken any agreement yet while you are stopping his ability to follow through with said agreement. Stuff about his loans and whatever aren't really germane to the transaction, neither for him nor for you. So, I side with Chris on this one.

Overall, people need to just chill until he's past his deadline. You owed him that when you pressed "buy."

 

[lynx]

I know it was an accident on your part, and I feel for your position, but Chris hasn't broken any agreement yet while you are stopping his ability to follow through with said agreement. Stuff about his loans and whatever aren't really germane to the transaction, neither for him nor for you. So, I side with Chris on this one.

Overall, people need to just chill until he's past his deadline. You owed him that when you pressed "buy."

but i'm not stopping anything. there wasn't any money in his paypal for him to ship anyway (by his own admission - the "emergency insurance payment").

 

[MrsFrizzle]

With respect, Holdek, eBay will not share your opinion on this case. That's not how their dispute resolution works. Chris fucked up this business transaction according to eBay's guidelines.

Real businesses have to make good on their promises to customers when things go south. People who sell on eBay as their actual business all have stories about times they had to scramble to make good on deals to keep customers happy, and how critical it is because eBay's dispute resolution system is so buyer-biased.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

Lynx, that eBay seller is sounding a little threatening to you. I'm sure that's a violation of their terms.

 

[asperhes]

"Emergency."

Was this car loan forced at gunpoint?

Well, given what Marvin has said about the relationship between Chris and Barb, it might as well have been. When Chris says, "It was all my mother's idea," he wants us to understand that he has no control over what Barb decides to purchase. Chris is merely an adult autistic child, and he lives under Barb's thumb. No doubt he's happy about having a new car, but I think he's being honest when he says it was Barb's decision. It was out of his hands.

 

[Holdek]

I see what you are saying now, the claim is before the 26th.

Is the fact that Chris's only funds being tied to paypal considered relevant to the situation? I don't know how eBay would factor that into the claim. If anything that would just be more ammo for the buyer to use against the seller.

Yeah.

turns out that automatically opens up a case against him and freezes the funds involved in the transaction until the dispute is settled. oops.

This means Chris can make the argument that he couldn't fulfill the sale because the funds were frozen before the shipping deadline.

 

[PumpkinSwirl]

I know it was an accident on your part, and I feel for your position, but Chris hasn't broken any agreement yet while you are stopping his ability to follow through with said agreement. Stuff about his loans and whatever aren't really germane to the transaction, neither for him nor for you. So, I side with Chris on this one.

Overall, people need to just chill until he's past his deadline. You owed him that when you pressed "buy."

The thing is that he already is past the two week deadline for some people. For those who ordered on days one and two it's already been two weeks.

 

[Holdek]

except it wasn't a premature claim. Like I said, Chris set the delivery estimate too low, which tells ebay that I should have been expecting the item from tuesday-friday last week (9/16-9/19). on ebay you can set the handling time on items higher if you're going to be needing more time before shipping, which would increase the delivery estimate accordingly. chris didn't do that which is why it opened the claim for me when I sent the message. and since I don't know if the medallions will actually ever be shipped or if chris will just continue buying more legos and shitting himself, then I'm not going to throw away my only chance for a refund just because it happened before chris or myself wanted it to.

Didn't he say in the description of the item that it was going to take two weeks?

I myself would have waited until the 26th to file, but it isn't going to matter in this case because Chris's response admits to defaulting on the original arrangement.

He couldn't have defaulted as it's not the 26th yet.

 

[lynx]

I know it was an accident on your part, and I feel for your position, but Chris hasn't broken any agreement yet while you are stopping his ability to follow through with said agreement. Stuff about his loans and whatever aren't really germane to the transaction, neither for him nor for you. So, I side with Chris on this one.

Overall, people need to just chill until he's past his deadline. You owed him that when you pressed "buy."

i do get where you're coming from, but in the end it makes little difference. whether I sent the message today, Friday, the next day, or next week, the case still would have opened when the message was sent, and the end result would be the same - Chris is upset.

Didn't he say in the description of the item that it was going to take two weeks?

written text in the description doesn't matter by ebay's standards. it's about the dates you set when you make the listing. when i sell things on ebay I set the handling time to three days to give myself some leeway in case i can't make it to the post office or anything else, I still have time to get the package shipped out.


when chris ships the item, the case will automatically close in his favor. so if he can scrounge together a couple bucks and ship it USPS first class then he'll be fine.