Wolfenstein II The New Colossus - Triggered /pol/lacks and Alt Righters cry over game being about killing Nazi's

[Caesare]

I could imagine some alternate scenarios where things wouldn't have gone as badly for Germany, but most of them involve Hitler dying early, since most of the downfall of Germany was directly because of absolutely idiotic shit he insisted on doing, like prematurely breaking the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Just that by itself more or less ensured Germany's eventual defeat and it was more or less a matter of timetable after that.

I can't imagine many plausible scenarios where they managed to project power sufficient to conquer the mainland United States, though.

That's why a lot of people enjoy reading about history, because you begin to start understanding all the "what if" situations that occurred all throughout history that could have completely changed everything had things happened only slightly differently.

Speaking of the Nazi regime in Germany, so many stars had to align just right for Hitler and his group to even take control of the country. A lot of it was pure dumb luck along with the incompetence, hubris, greed, cowardice, indifference, pomposity, and about two dozen other appropriate descriptors of the major and minor players of the era.

If you ever wanted to know how chaotic and just plain insane Hitler's rise to power was (and you have plenty time on your hands) just read by "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany" by William L. Shirer. It's an incredibly long book but it's probably the most detailed account of everything that happened leading up to, during, and after Germany's fall, beginning with the birth of Hitler. It's mind boggling how many times everything nearly completely fell apart for him before he even had any power whatsoever.

Then there were the people who outright opposed him but thought they could manipulate him by playing along and trying to run things behind the scenes like Franz Von Papen, who completely underestimated how cunning Hitler actually was. And he was just one of a long list of people who tried to do the same, and whose fates were much worse than Papen, who at least survived the war and only was given a somewhat reasonable prison sentence rather than getting his neck stretched at Nuremberg.

But yeah, as much as Hitler's incompetence coupled with the fact that he basically had absolute power doomed any chance of lasting success in the war, and his long list of fuckups that nearly ruined his chances of even coming into power in the first place, he was without a doubt a cunning, ballsy motherfucker.

That war, the shit that went on before, during, and after from all sides, particularly the Germans, Soviets, and Japanese is a pretty good argument that Satan is real, IMO. I'm not the most religious person in the world, but as someone once said to me in a very grim yet matter of fact way, "Yeah man, the Devil definitely had his hand in that." and I couldn't disagree with him.

It's not like awful shit hasn't happened all throughout history, its just the way that entire time period played out in an almost supernatural way, like some unseen force was working behind the scenes to ensure all of this unlikely shit just happened to align perfectly in order for some of the absolute worst people in modern history to all come into power, and the fact that they all existed on the planet at the same time.

There will never be an author who could make up a story as horrifying as that time period

 

[Caesare]

I don't think "Good guy KKK" would enhance the story in any way.

A talented writer could make a sympathetic character out of anyone.

I do think the graphics look really kickass for this game, but its not really something I could see myself playing. Maybe when I was a kid and I liked games like this where the object was to just shoot everything that moves but I kinda grew outta shit like that awhile ago. Maybe, and this is a huge maybe, if they managed to have a cool, interesting story and there were more ways to carry out your mission rather than "shoot everyone" (think along the lines of the Metal Gear Solid games, I really enjoyed MGS3 and MGS5) I might give something like that a shot.

But as far as I can see, it's just a game where you shoot everything that moves. And we all know that the story isn't going to be anything special. The "so woke" black bitch with the afro and the "black power" aesthetic tells me exactly what to expect of the story for a game like this. Definitely not for me.

If you dig this kinda thing though, go for it and enjoy.

 

[AnOminous]

If you ever wanted to know how chaotic and just plain insane Hitler's rise to power was (and you have plenty time on your hands) just read by "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany" by William L. Shirer. It's an incredibly long book but it's probably the most detailed account of everything that happened leading up to, during, and after Germany's fall, beginning with the birth of Hitler. It's mind boggling how many times everything nearly completely fell apart for him before he even had any power whatsoever.

I second that recommendation. I did read it, but very, very long ago. Even though I was pretty young at the time, it's very accessible (possibly because it was written by a journalist rather than an historian).

 

[Caesare]

I second that recommendation. I did read it, but very, very long ago. Even though I was pretty young at the time, it's very accessible (possibly because it was written by a journalist rather than an historian).

Same here, I read it awhile ago but it left quite the impression. What I can recall from it is where most of my knowledge of the time period comes from. It's an older book IIRC, written in the 60's I believe, though I don't think anyone will ever surpass it based on the sheer amount of information and the way it's presented. As you mentioned, it's more accessible than most historical narratives, especially ones that large.

 

[MarineTrainedTard]

That legit sounds really interesting. I'll have to read it some time.

 

[Caesare]

Man, could people just stop sperging about this game already? "WAHHH I CAN'T PLAY AS THE SS, THIS IS LEFTIST PROPAGANDA REEEEE"
Jesus fucking Christ, it's a game where you kill Nazis. Hell, in Wolf 3D you kill Hitler ffs. the fuck were you expecting?

I miss the days when political BS didn't get in the way of games

While I agree that it was a better time when political nonsense didn't dominate the discussion of something meant to be mindless entertainment, I think it's the usual extreme minority doing 99.9% of the bitching and complaining. The thing about it though, the creators, producers, advertisers, etc. are pushing the controversy on purpose. They know that by adding certain things to their product, they are going to cause the usual suspects to scream about it, and from their perspective, it's getting people talking about their creation. So, they get free word of mouth advertising from these overly sensitive dopes reeeeing on social media.

It's a win/win for them.

That legit sounds really interesting. I'll have to read it some time.

Check your local library. Any decent sized library should have it, as the book is quite old and is basically the best singular source of information on the Third Reich. Be prepared if you go the library route to have to renew your checkout multiple times, as the book is like a thousand pages long. It is a very good read though, especially if you are interested in that sort of thing. The only thing I remember having a little trouble with was keeping track of all the German names lol.

 

[Secret Asshole]

I don't know why people are looking for a legit alternate history narrative. Wolfenstein, at its heart, has always been about pulp. You see the way BJ is characterized and represented by his enemies, the over-the-top violence/story elements, the one-dimensional characterization of the villains, that BJ just happens to be part Jewish, had a racist father and went out with a black girl as a kid, the art direction, the fact that the Nazis conquered the world using Jewish tech...its all there. Pulp uses broad, obvious metaphors and characterizations just so you can enjoy the scenarios, violence and story.

People using this for politics is the dumbest fucking thing, because its missing the point. Yes, the Nazis and the KKK would be opposed in reality, but in a pulp story they're both genocidal lunatics because they aren't supposed to be nuanced. They both share surface level characteristics, and in pulp that's all you need to link them together. They are supposed to be clearly bad, for you to maim and dismember and experience the spectacle of it all. Why people can't just sit back and enjoy something for what it is these days boggles my fucking mind. Wolf 2 isn't meant to be a think piece or a complex story. Its meant to be a pulpy adventure that uses alternate history as a backdrop. Its not meant to be complex.

 

[ICametoLurk]

lol calm down

 

[CatParty]

I don't know why people are looking for a legit alternate history narrative. Wolfenstein, at its heart, has always been about pulp. You see the way BJ is characterized and represented by his enemies, the over-the-top violence/story elements, the one-dimensional characterization of the villains, that BJ just happens to be part Jewish, had a racist father and went out with a black girl as a kid, the art direction, the fact that the Nazis conquered the world using Jewish tech...its all there. Pulp uses broad, obvious metaphors and characterizations just so you can enjoy the scenarios, violence and story.

People using this for politics is the dumbest fucking thing, because its missing the point. Yes, the Nazis and the KKK would be opposed in reality, but in a pulp story they're both genocidal lunatics because they aren't supposed to be nuanced. They both share surface level characteristics, and in pulp that's all you need to link them together. They are supposed to be clearly bad, for you to maim and dismember and experience the spectacle of it all. Why people can't just sit back and enjoy something for what it is these days boggles my fucking mind. Wolf 2 isn't meant to be a think piece or a complex story. Its meant to be a pulpy adventure that uses alternate history as a backdrop. Its not meant to be complex.

People are austistic and forget videos games are toys for children and a literal waste of time

 

[Somsnosa]

It has a black woman that is straight out of Black Dynamite and the fat chick is getting fucked by a black chubby chaser. If that's what you think should appease sjws you don't know sjws very well. It's all over the top Adult Swim level jockery

 

[Organic Fapcup]

People are austistic and forget videos games are toys for children and a literal waste of time

Yeah, it's a lot like watching cartoons, or wrestling.

 

[Caesare]

It has a black woman that is straight out of Black Dynamite and the fat chick is getting fucked by a black chubby chaser.

The people who most get offended at media with the pairing of a white woman and a black man, especially when it's sexual in nature, isn't who you'd think. It isn't neo Nazis or white supremacists, they could care less. They just view the woman that do this as trashy and then don't give it another thought.

No, the ones who get most offended at this pairing is black women. That's why if you speak to a lot of black women, especially ones over 40, they HATE Wesley Snipes because he was in a few movies where he was either dating or married to a white woman, such as in the movie "King of New York" with David Caruso, Snipes, and Christopher Walken, where Snipes is dating and eventually marries a blonde haired white woman.

This enrages A LOT of black woman, especially the slightly older ones. (it pisses off some of the younger ones too, but not as much since many of them are very open to dating white guys as well). Why do you think in all of Denzel Washington's movies he's virtually never in intimate scenes with any females other than black women?

He picks roles that won't have intimate scenes with white women because he knows that by doing so he would completely destroy his image in the eyes of his black female super fans.

Even though they know he's a married man, he has a ton of black women who are absolutely in love with Denzel. He doesn't want to completely alienate his biggest fan base.

If he had chosen movie roles in the past, or started taking them now where he was paired up romantically with anyone other than a black actress, his black female fans would turn on him in a heartbeat.

 

[Varg Did Nothing Wrong]

well, the game is 2 hours long,5 if you count cutscenes, guess it can be watched or something.

Honestly this is the most disappointing and unfortunate part of this whole debacle.

I ain't paying $60 for a 5 hour long game where half the content is cutscenes.

People shat on MGSV for being low on content but I managed to play that for 250 hours. I can't imagine the disappointment I'd feel with this game.

 

[Caesare]

Honestly this is the most disappointing and unfortunate part of this whole debacle.

I ain't paying $60 for a 5 hour long game where half the content is cutscenes.

People shat on MGSV for being low on content but I managed to play that for 250 hours. I can't imagine the disappointment I'd feel with this game.

Yeah this is the first I'm hearing of this, though @AnOminous did hint at it being basically a "walking simulator", that is loaded down with cutscenes earlier in the thread. A damn 5 hour game with half of it being cutscenes... for $60 bucks..... yeah that's a complete ripoff. It's like they've learning nothing from the past mistakes of other companies who made games just like this and completely failed.

I don't even mind a "cutscene heavy" game so long as they strike a good balance, focusing mostly on gameplay and effectively using cutscenes to explain the storyline and push the narrative. Especially if the cutscenes are interesting and cool to watch, for instance, I loved most of the cutscenes in MGS3, especially all the ones that involved Ocelot. Him spending close to 3 minutes just twirling around his pistols like a showoff while Snake just stands there and watches is hilarious. I wouldn't mind a few cutscenes if they would do them like that, but a very short, 5 hour game with half of that being cutscenes is bullshit.

The nerve of this company to sell this for full price is even enraging. I spent more than 5 hours playing the "glorified demo" to MGS5, Ground Zeros, and that only cost $20 bucks. (People bitched at the time about Ground Zeros for costing $20 for a glorified demo), but at least you could spend more than five hours playing that and it wasn't lame.

 

[AngeloTheWizard]

This thread is now saltier than the average Chinese take out. Would you all shut the fuck up and go back to finding triggered /pol/tards?

 

[Chefbot]

If it's actually 6 hours for a 60 dollar game, I might just wait a year for it and the DLC to go on sale for 12 bucks.

 

[Vault Boy]

I'm astounded that they went from a 12-14 hour long game to a 5-6 hour long game that is mostly cutscenes. When you look at something like Call of Duty, while the campaign is usually that short, you still get a quality campaign in addition to multiplayer and Zombies, which makes the $60 justified. What the hell is this game's excuse for being $60?

 

[Caesare]

This thread is now saltier than the average Chinese take out. Would you all shut the fuck up and go back to finding triggered /pol/tards?

It's all relative. We are creating a tapestry of detailed information from all sides to fully understand the Wolfenstein II experience.

 

[Route 79]

This thread is now saltier than the average Chinese take out. Would you all shut the fuck up and go back to finding triggered /pol/tards?

The problem is it's not so easy. "zomg right wing triggered" is a marketing ploy that they also used with the mad max movie. Yeah you can find a blog post where some neonazi spurgs out about how Hitler was portrayed but in general they don't give a shit.

 

[Caesare]

The problem is it's not so easy. "zomg right wing triggered" is a marketing ploy that they also used with the mad max movie. Yeah you can find a blog post where some neonazi spurgs out about how Hitler was portrayed but in general they don't give a shit.

Yup, and this is exactly what I was saying about 13 posts above. They are marketing this game like this on purpose, to get people bitching on twitter and social media. This gets people talking and gives their game more exposure. They know what they are doing. There are paid employees working for the company's marketing team whose sole job it is to leak out little bits and pieces of the story line, and make them look as controversial as possible just to stir the hornets nest, which in effect keeps people talking about their product,