Wolfenstein II The New Colossus - Triggered /pol/lacks and Alt Righters cry over game being about killing Nazi's

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Historical accuracy clearly isn't the name of the game here. The Nazis winning is clue enough, because the real Nazis were hilariously incompetent once the rest of the world actually started fighting them. All those "wonder weapons" that the History Channel used to cream itself over before it got overtaken by reality TV were impractical at best, outright lethal to the user at worst. Just look up the Me-163 Komet for a good laugh.

It's a video game. Black and white morality is far more likely in this case, and expecting a positive depiction of the KKK is pretty exceptional, all things considered. Sure, the same can be said for the Commies, but the USSR was a huge help in the actual war.

As a history sperg, I'd be far more annoyed at the idea of the Nazis being competent enough to win than the KKK being inaccurate. If this was trying to be historically accurate, that is. It's not, so I don't care. You want historical accuracy, go read a fucking book.
 
In theory they don't want to commit genocide.

I'm not a historian or any kind of scholar of political ideologies, but I'm fairly certain that every country that successfully overthrew its government and established a communist regime (not talking about socialism or social democracies) have done so with genocide, in reality and in theory. In theory, its paramount to instigate a genocide in a communist takeover to wipe out and steal the property, money, and power from the elite (and even the middle class). The Soviet's had to viciously murder their own royal family, children included, purge their military of thousands of soldiers/officers who were suspect as not being completely loyal to the ideology, murder their former colleagues who's idea of "communism" wasn't congruent with theirs. Then there was the genocide of everyone who in any way supported the royalists, or even supported the wrong "style" of communism that didn't win out in the end.

This doesn't even get into the millions and millions who died of starvation because of the failure of the leadership in reorganizing farming, essentially changing the way Russians and European peasants in general have probably been farming and successfully feeding themselves for the past thousand years. While this wasn't necessarily intentional, it is still a genocide based on incompetence by the communist leadership, since they forced this on the population. It wasn't like Russian peasants were given a choice on whether they wanted to participate in collectivized farming.

The Chinese took it a step further. They already had a communist regime built on millions of dead bodies and their aging leader felt the need to re energize the resolve of Chinese communism by having a "cultural" revolution where the young were radicalized to the point where they attacked, tortured, and sometimes murdered their parents, teachers, and elders (the very people who were responsible for supporting Mao in establishing his genocidal communist regime in the first place!)

The hardcore adherents to Nazism (not the rank and file soldiers, generals, and civilians who just went along because they were German and really had no choice) were some evil dude's. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional. But to pretend that communism isn't worse in theory or in practice is asinine. Anyone who believes this is either ignorant of the history or is a radical themselves who believes that "the ends justify the means". In this case, the "means" involves a complete reorganization of society which will absolutely require a genocide, massive starvation, and rampant theft in the name of "redistribution of wealth".

No thanks.

What do these idiots think we did in World War II? We didn't actually fucking LIKE Communists. They were just doing a really good job killing the same people we were, and we obviously got right back to trying to destroy each other once the common menace was gone.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend." That's just the way it is. As unrealistic and historically stupid this game seems to be based on what I've read (wasting a lot of excellent opportunities to add factions, people, and alliances that would actually be much more interesting and make a lot more sense in the context of the fantastical plot of a Nazi German occupation of America) this is one basic thing that they did do right. It's not all that impressive though, because they'd have to be really fucking stupid to ignore something as blatant as the fact that Western democracies fought alongside the authoritarian communist Soviets against the Germans.

A pretty funny quote from Churchill regarding the Allies fighting on the same side as someone as despicable as Stalin: when the German's invaded the Soviet Union and broke the non-aggression pact with them, Churchill said something like, "If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make at least a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons." lol Churchill was the man!

Historical accuracy clearly isn't the name of the game here. The Nazis winning is clue enough, because the real Nazis were hilariously incompetent once the rest of the world actually started fighting them. All those "wonder weapons" that the History Channel used to cream itself over before it got overtaken by reality TV were impractical at best, outright lethal to the user at worst. Just look up the Me-163 Komet for a good laugh.

It's a video game. Black and white morality is far more likely in this case, and expecting a positive depiction of the KKK is pretty exceptional, all things considered. Sure, the same can be said for the Commies, but the USSR was a huge help in the actual war.

As a history sperg, I'd be far more annoyed at the idea of the Nazis being competent enough to win than the KKK being inaccurate. If this was trying to be historically accurate, that is. It's not, so I don't care. You want historical accuracy, go read a fucking book.


I know what you mean, that they aren't going for "historical accuracy" since the chance of Germany actually winning the war when they were literally fighting against the entire civilized world was EXTREMELY slim. Their chances of not only winning the war, but successfully invading and occupying the entire United States is not even a possibility, even if every one of their History Channel "wonder weapons" worked.

But, in a work of fiction like this game (or a book, a movie, a television show, a comic, etc.) that deals with an "alternate history" scenario, the creators have the opportunity to make the story so much more interesting and engaging when they actually spend a little more time researching actual history. For one, it gives their work some authenticity, that a person like yourself who is a "history sperg", something that they will notice when experiencing the story. Think of it as a nod to reality in an otherwise fantasy story, something like "an Easter Egg" that you wouldn't notice unless you have a little bit of knowledge about the actual subject matter, in the case of this game, WWII, the Nazis, 2oth century American history, American/German historical figures, etc.

Doing things like this just makes the world feel so much more authentic and makes the experience more enjoyable all-around. Even if you aren't knowledgeable about the historical references, it might spark someone's interest so that they seek out information about the subject matter on their own, which is always a good thing. The creators are in a unique position and have the power to do these things, but from what I understand, they seem more interested in capitalizing on the "current day" political environment in America right now rather than trying to do something interesting with the material.

And yeah, its just a game where you get to shoot people, but games have come a long way since Wolf 3D came out on DOS. Great game for the time, but very light on the story, so it literally was just a game where you shoot people. Now, even games like this are very story driven, and from the looks of it, this seems like its going to be very story driven.

Idk, it just seems like a huge wasted opportunity to me. Rather than doing something interesting, it looks like its going to be more of the same old same old bullshit.
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
Man, could people just stop sperging about this game already? "WAHHH I CAN'T PLAY AS THE SS, THIS IS LEFTIST PROPAGANDA REEEEE"
Jesus fucking Christ, it's a game where you kill Nazis. Hell, in Wolf 3D you kill Hitler ffs. the fuck were you expecting?

I miss the days when political BS didn't get in the way of games :(
 
Looks like this game also has fat acceptance shit too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw8UZUECz-g -

fat daughter of a nazi shown as sympathetic to the other side
http://wolfenstein.wikia.com/wiki/Sigrun_Engel

also shows her in a deviant interracial relationship
Spoiler horrifying: https://imgur.com/RQg7O6Y


Game is straight up leftist propaganda at this point.
wouldnt be surprised if this game was funded by the young turks

When did fat people become leftist propaganda? It was the right that voted for the fat guy to be president.

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I said Fat acceptance. for example the haes movement, which is a leftist sjw narrative.

I don't think I can roll my eyes further. You realize fat people exist? Are you that upset that a fat person is in your game? What do you do when they're in your real life?

And what part of that video is fat acceptance? I just see a Nazi woman screaming at her fat daughter for eating cake.
 
Looks like this game also has fat acceptance shit too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iw8UZUECz-g -

fat daughter of a nazi shown as sympathetic to the other side
http://wolfenstein.wikia.com/wiki/Sigrun_Engel

also shows her in a deviant interracial relationship
Spoiler horrifying: https://imgur.com/RQg7O6Y


Game is straight up leftist propaganda at this point.
wouldnt be surprised if this game was funded by the young turks
Lol calm down:story:.

EDIT: one of the mods needs to lock this thread, it’s getting off topic
 
Ostatnio edytowane:
I feel like the politics in the game are a bit unnecessary from what I've seen. Usually when I see trailers for it, I cast a glance and shrug because it just... I don't know, it feels stale and unoriginal. It seems to draw heavy ties to the political machine of today and it's not really clever. It seems to go on the record and say, "Durrhurr nazees r bed and communism es gud" while using violence as justification to an agenda. Ultimately, it doesn't seem to warrant my attention as Wolfenstein, in the old days, was a cool fuckin' game. Now it's just pretty graphics, a lackluster story, and shallow character development.
 
But how are nazis worst than commies?
Even in the context of the games.
They advances technology by a huge margin and got humanity to the moon and stole magic by the jews who hoarded it for some reason.
I haven't played a wolfenstein since 3d, so emlighten me
I know I'm still taking the bait, but:
The Nazi advancements in TNO are literally stolen from a secret order who kept their advanced technology secret and never used it (besides to make their reliquaries extremely hidden and well-guarded) because they believed that it was a manifestation of God and that man using it would only cause harm. Also, their primary usage of said technology is to create abominable war machines and establish an autocratic state that has control of every aspect of the private citizens life and which has the explicit end goal of the extermination of the vast majority of the human race.
 
The Nazi advancements in TNO are literally stolen from a secret order who kept their advanced technology secret and never used it (besides to make their reliquaries extremely hidden and well-guarded) because they believed that it was a manifestation of God and that man using it would only cause harm
that's stupid, good thing those jews got their precious technology taken and given to the goyim.
Also, their primary usage of said technology is to create abominable war machines and establish an autocratic state that has control of every aspect of the private citizens life and which has the explicit end goal of the extermination of the vast majority of the human race.
technology has always been used for war, so it's inevitable. also what benefit does the Nazis get from killing everyone?
 
I know what you mean, that they aren't going for "historical accuracy" since the chance of Germany actually winning the war when they were literally fighting against the entire civilized world was EXTREMELY slim. Their chances of not only winning the war, but successfully invading and occupying the entire United States is not even a possibility, even if every one of their History Channel "wonder weapons" worked.

I could imagine some alternate scenarios where things wouldn't have gone as badly for Germany, but most of them involve Hitler dying early, since most of the downfall of Germany was directly because of absolutely idiotic shit he insisted on doing, like prematurely breaking the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Just that by itself more or less ensured Germany's eventual defeat and it was more or less a matter of timetable after that.

I can't imagine many plausible scenarios where they managed to project power sufficient to conquer the mainland United States, though.

Idk, it just seems like a huge wasted opportunity to me. Rather than doing something interesting, it looks like its going to be more of the same old same old bullshit.

Sounds pretty ass to me tbh. Not even for the political BS but for the apparent sheer number of excessively long pre-rendered cutscenes, which is never a good sign. It is looking like a walking simulator with some shooting.
 
I could imagine some alternate scenarios where things wouldn't have gone as badly for Germany, but most of them involve Hitler dying early, since most of the downfall of Germany was directly because of absolutely idiotic shit he insisted on doing, like prematurely breaking the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact. Just that by itself more or less ensured Germany's eventual defeat and it was more or less a matter of timetable after that.

I can't imagine many plausible scenarios where they managed to project power sufficient to conquer the mainland United States, though.



Sounds pretty ass to me tbh. Not even for the political BS but for the apparent sheer number of excessively long pre-rendered cutscenes, which is never a good sign. It is looking like a walking simulator with some shooting.
I'm hoping that's not the case. I've heard the gameplay is better than the last but sadly there's far less gameplay compared to the previous game.

I know I already compared it to MGS2 but it looks like it's suffering from the same gameplay to story ratio issue. Maybe not as severe as that game though.
 
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